Sovereign Errors, Overdates and Varieties

[sovereignsteve]

4 hours ago, Agaupl said:

Steve taking no prisoners today 🤣

You might say that 😆 but NGC really infuriate me with their inconsistant grading of shields.

[Allgoldcoins]

23 minutes ago, sovereignsteve said:

You might say that 😆 but NGC really infuriate me with their inconsistant grading of shields.

I have to agree, their grading of shields is awful, they tend to be more concerned with fields than the actual detail. I have seen some graded as MS63 with no lions faces left!

[Spyder]

I have to agree. When I first saw that coin, I thought an AU55 was generous. Only last week I saw shield 1871s that looked much better with lions eyes on display and only got graded XF45

[Sovhead]

22 hours ago, Orpster said:

Is that page from The Marsh Sov book mate?

A guy in Australia messaged me saying this..

The 132 D's is the rarest variety representing around 5% of total mintage. You reference Marsh - please elaborate. From the records of a long established expert here in Australia - Dr David Briggs the 134 D's is abundant. In 50 years he never witnessed the 132D's variety yet counted 550 of the main variety.

[Orpster]

6 minutes ago, Sovhead said:

Is that page from The Marsh Sov book mate?

A guy in Australia messaged me saying this..

The 132 D's is the rarest variety representing around 5% of total mintage. You reference Marsh - please elaborate. From the records of a long established expert here in Australia - Dr David Briggs the 134 D's is abundant. In 50 years he never witnessed the 132D's variety yet counted 550 of the main variety.

Yes mate, it is.

And here is the page for the half's

Looks like it the 1896 & 1899 with the denticles thing, think whoever said it originally got their lines mixed up  

[Sovhead]

1 minute ago, Orpster said:

Yes mate, it is.

And here is the page for the half's

Looks like it the 1896 & 1899 with the denticles thing, think whoever said it originally got their lines mixed up  

That explains it then as the guy that messaged was adamant 👍🏻

[Orpster]

Just now, Sovhead said:

That explains it then as the guy that messaged was adamant 👍🏻

Still R2 🤷‍♂️

[Sovhead]

Just now, Orpster said:

Still R2 🤷‍♂️

Yeah mate I know I knew something wasn’t quite right about it yesterday after that guys message 👍🏻

[Petra]

Just now, Sovhead said:

Yeah mate I know I knew something wasn’t quite right about it yesterday after that guys message 👍🏻

So is your coin rare or not🤔🤔

[Sovhead]

32 minutes ago, Petra said:

So is your coin rare or not🤔🤔

No, was supplied incorrect information.

He’s saying the Marsh book is wrong on the 1899 I’m leaving it at that 🤣

 

At least we have arrived on the same page. The stats for the 1899M are 7% which is similar issue to the 1900M. He's wrong again as I double checked this with another  expert in Aus. - best you find a reliable source of expertise

[GoldDiggerDave]

4 minutes ago, Sovhead said:

No, was supplied incorrect information.

He’s saying the Marsh book is wrong on the 1899 I’m leaving it at that 🤣

 

At least we have arrived on the same page. The stats for the 1899M are 7% which is similar issue to the 1900M. He's wrong again as I double checked this with another  expert in Aus. - best you find a reliable source of expertise

1899m?  Sorry only picked up on this 1/2 way through. 
 

We talking about Marsh 159? 

[GoldDiggerDave]

Also forgot who I was speaking with about the scarcity ratings re the Ottawa mint sovereigns getting bumped a lot?  

1913 R4 is now a common 🤮

 

[Sovhead]

11 minutes ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

1899m?  Sorry only picked up on this 1/2 way through. 
 

We talking about Marsh 159? 

Not sure mate I can’t find my book.

[Spyder]

4 minutes ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

Also forgot who I was speaking with about the scarcity ratings re the Ottawa mint sovereigns getting bumped a lot?  

1913 R4 is now a common 🤮

 

Seems very strange that a coin with mintage figures of 3717 to now be classed as Common.  

[Sovhead]

5 minutes ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

Also forgot who I was speaking with about the scarcity ratings re the Ottawa mint sovereigns getting bumped a lot?  

1913 R4 is now a common 🤮

 

Wow from that mintage to a common is crazy 

[GoldDiggerDave]

Just now, Sovhead said:

Wow from that mintage to a common is crazy 

How upset must you be if you’ve bought a R4 at auction or for it to be published in the next marsh as a common.  
 

This could potentially happen with any coin. 

[Spyder]

Just now, GoldDiggerDave said:

How upset must you be if you’ve bought a R4 at auction or for it to be published in the next marsh as a common.  
 

This could potentially happen with any coin. 

Unless they publish new mintage figures for said coin, I think reclassifying as commom is nonsense and will P off a lot of collectors.  I am willing to pay £400 for one, any sellers 

[Sovhead]

1 minute ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

How upset must you be if you’ve bought a R4 at auction or for it to be published in the next marsh as a common.  
 

This could potentially happen with any coin. 

It doesn’t add up, on London coins auction website they’ve sold loads of shield 1841’s but only 4x 1913c and they all went for 4 figure sums.

[GoldDiggerDave]

4 minutes ago, Sovhead said:

It doesn’t add up, on London coins auction website they’ve sold loads of shield 1841’s but only 4x 1913c and they all went for 4 figure sums.

This hobby can really hurt your head some days. 

[Sovhead]

Don’t know if anyone on here owns one there’s one on eBay £4k and I missed one on eBay about 6 months ago that sold for £550

[Petra]

At the end of the day, any mintage figures for any sovereign up to the early 1920s doesn’t really count for anything as no one really knows how many were left after all the melting down due to ww1🤔😮

[Sovhead]

Who decided it was common now Dave?

[Spyder]

@GoldDiggerDave, Where did that page come from, is there a new Marsh Sovereign book just released?

[Sovhead]

21 minutes ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

Also forgot who I was speaking with about the scarcity ratings re the Ottawa mint sovereigns getting bumped a lot?  

1913 R4 is now a common 🤮

 

That must be a typo surely.

[Orpster]

1 minute ago, Spyder said:

@GoldDiggerDave, Where did that page come from, is there a new Marsh Sovereign book just released?

Thats the original and revised, original had them as scarce/rare then when revised Steve Hill dropped most years to common.  I think they are the only ones classified as C3/C2 (extremely and very common) in the whole book!