kimchi

Hello from the south coast UK.
My friend recommended this forum to me, thanks for adding me. I have a keen interest in all metals, I'm a panel beater fabricator welder by trade.
I've spent many years metal detecting & found some amazing stuff, I've bought & sold coins & artifacts for years & i belong to a couple of clubs.
I built a furnace years ago & have melted aluminum, brass, bronze, copper, silver & gold. 
I hope I can contribute in some way.
Thanks again for having me.

No idea why that would be...

Thanks for the update, but after the last coin The Who I'm out.

Available in the usual proof and bullion variations.
For the obverse impression the late Queen’s effigy with the inscription “· ELIZABETH II · D · G · REG · F · D · 200 POUNDS · 2022”, and for the reverse a depiction of the silhouettes of the band The Rolling Stones accompanied by the inscription “THE ROLLING STONES” and the dates “’62 – ’22”. The coin shall have a grained edge.’
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/4179065

Excellent points @westminstrel and @foinikas! There will be a range of views on this of course, and no 'right' or 'wrong' (though there will be a 'majority' move, which is an interesting topic I think in itself)
You have helped clarify things for me (it's good to talk!) as to where I think I presently stand. I was a collector of recent modern QEII proof and (certain) DPLs e.g. SotD. And I think that is what collectors will now concentrate on. The Sovereign under Charles could continue for another twenty or so years, and that is too deep for my pockets, plus I have no stress going forward if I consolidate my collection now @refero has also made some excellent points from a different perspective, if I do get anything I am currently inclined to only the 'main Sovereigns' next year.
While all eyes are on that, I think it's an excellent time to look for added value in all the different QEII Sovs (and there are many 'sleepers' imo - for now! - we have been lucky enough to have).

it is true the RM has, in the last 10 years, started a commercial policy that ended up by flooding the market with so many different coins, all of them "unique", "special" etc etc. And of course if everything is unique, nothing is at the end of the day.
But, guys, this is also due to our behaviour. If those commercial coins hadnt sold within minutes i quite doubt this insanity would have endured. I personally keep my philosophy without getting too much stress. The sovereign is the proof one. One per year. Be that with the classic reverse or with a "special" one. I litterally dont care about SoTD, plain edges, piedfort, double sovs, etc etc etc. If you just stay with the "normal" proof, considering the period 2000 to today, i count, as special designs; 
2002-2005-2012-2016-2017-2022
then of course you can consider glyph, marks etc etc (2018-2021 etc etc) but this is something non relevant.
Another thing is the "coronation coinage/set"; this is litterally something iconic, and i agree it can be plain edge, it can be with the classic st george and the dragon, it can be coats of army, it can be whatever they want. It is once per monarch.

I’m sure there will be an entire range of coins to celebrate the Coronation, just as there was for the Platinum Jubilee this year.
What would distinguish the 2023 “special reverse Sovereign” from any such coin besides the fact it is 22 carat and called a “Sovereign”?
I hope you see my point so you can understand why I may be coming across as unwelcoming of this reverse choice.
In the end, I intend getting the 2023 Sovereign because, for me, the Coronation year is what makes it special. Not the design. I would’ve bought it without a second thought even if it were to have the classic St. George and Dragon reverse.

Yes, the Royal Mint will want to monetize on the ascension of a new King, but as this is such a special event, i really do not understand why not everyone is welcoming this new design.
We are lucky enough to have the opportunity to purchase two special reverses in two consequent years. This is something to celebrate!
There will be plenty of years to buy the standard reverse for people who are happy to buy that every year. 
I am very excited for this release and hopefully they will keep proof coin mintages within a good range (not very high mintage).
 

Same here. After 2023 I think I’m done with modern Sovs. While a change previously felt special, it now just feels gimmicky.
With the St. George and the Dragon design, the Royal Mint should be proud of a centuries old tradition and heritage that has managed to endure the test of time. It’s what makes the Sovereign so iconic - both to the UK and to the Royal Mint. It’s something to be proud of.
Instead, the Royal Mint seems to be varying the design at every opportunity just for the sake of it.
There are 100s of coins and ranges with annual variations - not just by the Royal Mint, but by numerous other Mints around the world as well.
I think the Sovereign risks losing its identity and becoming like any of these coin ranges out there.

I'm with you (even thinking about stopping collecting modern Sovs now). I was planning on getting the first year of Charles before I finished my collection, but this puts me in a quandary, as I'll also feel I have to buy the following year for the first St George.
I'd rather not buy tbh, but...
The two heralds back to back make perfect sense and will be an incredible 'twinset' and a bit of a banker imo.
The worry there is all the variations and whatnot the Mint will pull

I'm with you (even thinking about stopping collecting modern Sovs now). I was planning on getting the first year of Charles before I finished my collection, but this puts me in a quandary, as I'll also feel I have to buy the following year for the first St George.
I'd rather not buy tbh, but...
The two heralds back to back make perfect sense and will be an incredible 'twinset' and a bit of a banker imo.
The worry there is all the variations and whatnot the Mint will pull

Exactly this! ☝️ 
Too many new designs, and too many variations (privy marks, milled vs plain edge, matte vs proof vs bullion, piedfort vs regular).

If every year they change the design of the sovereign, in some way, the special years become less special.
They won't stop changing it while the coins sell out in 15mins every time they are released, so it is here to stay.
 

Dude I couldn’t agree with you more.
The Coat of Arms may be a nice heraldic design, but it just doesn’t have the instant association with the Sovereign that the St. George and the Dragon design has.
The St. George and the Dragon is just so iconic - you see it and your mind instantly goes, Sovereign.
It’s why I would’ve preferred that timeless and classic design for the Coronation year.
But I guess we live in an age where the tendency to get easily bored and crave something new is the prevailing trend.

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One is a merciless predator, a vicious and deadly efficient killing machine, who would eat a small child for breakfast. The other one grew up singing Hakuna Matata

Loved Blair in lion King 2

I agree somewhat with this, and it was a beyond 'cheeky' move by the Mint, but I'm very glad to have it, it's one of my favourite bullion coins. Probably it should have been marketed a bit differently - the Completer is a lame marketing tagline. I'd have simply called it The Queen's Beasts (not sure what else it could be called?) and released it as a separate (but obviously complementary) product.
I can see why but it sucks there is no 1/4 gold. Bit of a slap in the face, that (again only because of the marketing).

Number 11 is the highest you can go , its full volume on my Guitar Amp 😍😍 and the completer is QB premium Bullion set on level 11 
 

One is a merciless predator, a vicious and deadly efficient killing machine, who would eat a small child for breakfast. The other one grew up singing Hakuna Matata

Another thumbs up for the Completer coin here.  
It's really nice, and it also means that some people might just want to own the Completer coin and not actually own or collect the set of 10 individual Beasts.
I have four Completers in three metals and three different sizes.  Love them all!

You are certainly not alone in your thinking, that’s the first thing I though when I first seen the QB completer is I wish they had minted this one first, it might have saved me trying to get the full set  
I like the coin, probably more so than all of them.  A lot of mints/producers seem to do this with series. It is a nice set to own however, it takes dedication to complete these sets. 
enjoy yours 
 
 

Everything they sell is about squeezing maximum returns. 
Just glad they didn't do a completer reverse frosted set😅
How's this for logic, I completed the 1/4oz gold x 10 recently, then I felt the urge to hunt a 1oz gold completer ( none available in 1/4 size) did it make me feel the set is finally completed 😀? NOPE...

Published October 7th 
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/4170186
6. The design of the said five pound, two pound, sovereign, half-sovereign and quarter-sovereign gold coins shall be as follows:
‘For the obverse impression Our effigy with the inscription “· CHARLES III · DEI · GRA · REX · FID · DEF ”, and for the reverse a depiction of Our Royal Arms and the date of the year. The coin shall have either a plain or grained edge.’
 
Variant sovereign 2023 incoming ! 
Get in the queue now