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I have a good collection of fake old pound coins that I used to train staff with. Never thought there would be a collector’s market! Hadn’t touched it for years but added a fake ‘new’ 2 pound coin I got the other day.

I do quite a bit with the police and they are not interested in these. They kinda have more important things to worry about! None had seen a fake £2 coin though and were surprised as it obviously takes a bit of manufacturing. Will see if thefakepoundcoindatabase want them unless @LawrenceChard wants them for his growing collection?
In answer to your last question, yes that's fine. I know a lot of people who collect bombs and you wouldn't believe the money some of the rare ones go for! I don't personally collect bombs but I used to have the largest collection of 30mm RARDEN ammunition. Sold the whole collection a few years ago as there was literally no other variations or experimental versions left to collect and it got a bit boring then but I still help EOD/EOC out occasionally with identifications.

I do still collect these though 🙂

 
Anyway, back on topic. I believe the royal mint tried to protect the name 'sovereign' in court a few years back and failed http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Ch/2017/417.html and anyone can legally make a coin and call it a sovereign. It doesn't have to be gold. So what we perceive as fake gold sovereigns being sold from china and the likes are actually legit sovereigns (if they call them a sovereign, and they can because they are allowed to) made from a base metal and gold plated. It would therefore only fall on the wrong side of the law if you intentionally tried to pass it off as a different metal than it was actually made from? I believe, although I could be wrong, that the dragon design would also not be under copywrite due to the age of it (from memory 50 years after the artist has died.... or something like that)??

I stand corrected Lawrence 🙂
The sovereign is protected under the The Forgery and Counterfeiting Act 1981 as it has been specified in an Order by the Treasury. 
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/194220/guidance_coinage_banknotes.pdf

I do quite a bit with the police and they are not interested in these. They kinda have more important things to worry about! None had seen a fake £2 coin though and were surprised as it obviously takes a bit of manufacturing. Will see if thefakepoundcoindatabase want them unless @LawrenceChard wants them for his growing collection?
In answer to your last question, yes that's fine. I know a lot of people who collect bombs and you wouldn't believe the money some of the rare ones go for! I don't personally collect bombs but I used to have the largest collection of 30mm RARDEN ammunition. Sold the whole collection a few years ago as there was literally no other variations or experimental versions left to collect and it got a bit boring then but I still help EOD/EOC out occasionally with identifications.

I do still collect these though 🙂

 
Anyway, back on topic. I believe the royal mint tried to protect the name 'sovereign' in court a few years back and failed http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Ch/2017/417.html and anyone can legally make a coin and call it a sovereign. It doesn't have to be gold. So what we perceive as fake gold sovereigns being sold from china and the likes are actually legit sovereigns (if they call them a sovereign, and they can because they are allowed to) made from a base metal and gold plated. It would therefore only fall on the wrong side of the law if you intentionally tried to pass it off as a different metal than it was actually made from? I believe, although I could be wrong, that the dragon design would also not be under copywrite due to the age of it (from memory 50 years after the artist has died.... or something like that)??

I stand corrected Lawrence 🙂
The sovereign is protected under the The Forgery and Counterfeiting Act 1981 as it has been specified in an Order by the Treasury. 
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/194220/guidance_coinage_banknotes.pdf

I have a good collection of fake old pound coins that I used to train staff with. Never thought there would be a collector’s market! Hadn’t touched it for years but added a fake ‘new’ 2 pound coin I got the other day.

I have a good collection of fake old pound coins that I used to train staff with. Never thought there would be a collector’s market! Hadn’t touched it for years but added a fake ‘new’ 2 pound coin I got the other day.

I have a good collection of fake old pound coins that I used to train staff with. Never thought there would be a collector’s market! Hadn’t touched it for years but added a fake ‘new’ 2 pound coin I got the other day.

I have a good collection of fake old pound coins that I used to train staff with. Never thought there would be a collector’s market! Hadn’t touched it for years but added a fake ‘new’ 2 pound coin I got the other day.

2023 UK Coin Design Forecast - 700th Anniversary of the Death of **** Whittington

The main problem might be marketing it. 😎
 

I use airtite capsules and tubesfor mine. Each tube holds 21 Sovereigns
 

This is my preferred method as these lighthouse capsules are what fit in Aluns boxes which is what i used to motivate myself. 10 sovereigns loose are underwhelming, i found the capsule and boxes bulked it up a bit. For me it’s worth it. Posted these pics on another thread about sovereign storage it may be worth you doing a search and finding it. The capsules are now in air tite tubes and safe deposit storage but having them in capsules in the boxes looked the best.

I’ve only just started stacking sovereigns and looked fo ages for something to store them in. Tried quite a few but eventually ended up with these 100 coin cases with capsules from Amazon for under a tenner. They fit whole sovereigns perfectly.

The way I look at it is 10 quid for 100 sovereigns (30k) not only looks after them, makes it easy to store and I number each capsule so I know what I paid for each one. Good value in my mind. 

22mm internal diameter capsules. The case comes with 100 capsules.
https://smile.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B08TQBLR8J?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title

I use Brit tubes and capsule. Fit snug and doesn't take up too much room. 16 per tube.

The way I look at it is 10 quid for 100 sovereigns (30k) not only looks after them, makes it easy to store and I number each capsule so I know what I paid for each one. Good value in my mind. 

The way I look at it is 10 quid for 100 sovereigns (30k) not only looks after them, makes it easy to store and I number each capsule so I know what I paid for each one. Good value in my mind. 

Don’t know if I’m allowed to link to another forum but there are forums set up for this very thing. Google is your friend 😁

The way I look at it is 10 quid for 100 sovereigns (30k) not only looks after them, makes it easy to store and I number each capsule so I know what I paid for each one. Good value in my mind. 

I’ve only just started stacking sovereigns and looked fo ages for something to store them in. Tried quite a few but eventually ended up with these 100 coin cases with capsules from Amazon for under a tenner. They fit whole sovereigns perfectly.

I’ve only just started stacking sovereigns and looked fo ages for something to store them in. Tried quite a few but eventually ended up with these 100 coin cases with capsules from Amazon for under a tenner. They fit whole sovereigns perfectly.

I’ve only just started stacking sovereigns and looked fo ages for something to store them in. Tried quite a few but eventually ended up with these 100 coin cases with capsules from Amazon for under a tenner. They fit whole sovereigns perfectly.

I’ve only just started stacking sovereigns and looked fo ages for something to store them in. Tried quite a few but eventually ended up with these 100 coin cases with capsules from Amazon for under a tenner. They fit whole sovereigns perfectly.

I’ve only just started stacking sovereigns and looked fo ages for something to store them in. Tried quite a few but eventually ended up with these 100 coin cases with capsules from Amazon for under a tenner. They fit whole sovereigns perfectly.