NEW St. George and the Dragon coin with Garter inscription

[SovereignBull]

16 minutes ago, Sc391 said:

£555 for 5 oz, £260 for 2 oz (gothic series 2021)

So need to go in with £300 for 2oz to be safe!

[dvl]

Can you please advise whether this release is RM exclusive or it will also be available from BBP, Chards etc? Many thanks 

[westminstrel]

29 minutes ago, dvl said:

Can you please advise whether this release is RM exclusive or it will also be available from BBP, Chards etc? Many thanks 

Certain denominations may be RM exclusives but from what I’ve heard, the most common 2oz gold and silver, and 5oz silver are available from dealers.

[Allgoldcoins]

32 minutes ago, dvl said:

Can you please advise whether this release is RM exclusive or it will also be available from BBP, Chards etc? Many thanks 

And us 👍

[Upsidedown]

@GoldDiggerDave

[paulmerton]

Re. the 5oz silver -

It only just occurred to me that the 1818 crown had edge lettering that sticks out, and so that lends weight to the rumours of there being no 5oz silver option available for this one. They cancelled the 5oz Petition Crown due to production complications with the sticky-out lettering. The 2oz and 10oz coins are essentially piedforts, and presumably easier to make because the edge tooling is less likely to break when the lettering doesn't extend too close to the top/bottom of the rim.

Quite how they were able to master this 200+ years ago but not today is kind of baffling, but hey ho!

[westminstrel]

29 minutes ago, paulmerton said:

Re. the 5oz silver -

It only just occurred to me that the 1818 crown had edge lettering that sticks out, and so that lends weight to the rumours of there being no 5oz silver option available for this one. They cancelled the 5oz Petition Crown due to production complications with the sticky-out lettering. The 2oz and 10oz coins are essentially piedforts, and presumably easier to make because the edge tooling is less likely to break when the lettering doesn't extend too close to the top/bottom of the rim.

Quite how they were able to master this 200+ years ago but not today is kind of baffling, but hey ho!

I think you have hit the nail on the head with your clever bit of deduction! 😎

And yes… rather odd that today’s tech can’t replicate the originals. 🫤

[GoldDiggerDave]

Wonder if the coin will have WWP on the buckle it was omitted  from the 2017 sovereign. 
 

[Silverlocks]

1 hour ago, paulmerton said:

Quite how they were able to master this 200+ years ago but not today is kind of baffling, but hey ho!

As I recall, Simon only made a dozen or so examples, so he never had to think too hard about mass production.

Edited February 12 by Silverlocks

[paulmerton]

13 minutes ago, Silverlocks said:

As I recall, Simon only made a dozen or so examples, so he never had to think too hard about mass production.

I'm pretty sure they made a lot more than a dozen George III crowns  

[Silverlocks]

4 minutes ago, paulmerton said:

I'm pretty sure they made a lot more than a dozen George III crowns  

I think the petition crown was only ever a pattern coin, wasn't it?

They did make something based on the design though; not sure what they did with the edge lettering on that.

Edited February 12 by Silverlocks

[paulmerton]

3 minutes ago, Silverlocks said:

I think the petition crown was only ever a pattern coin, wasn't it?

They did make something based on the design though; not sure what they did with the edge lettering on that.

Just to make it even clearer, I'm talking about the 1818-1820 crowns this new coin is based on!

[Jeffers46]

I will not be queuing and suggest you all do likewise 😆

 

Neither will my wife be in the queue 

[tpcob303]

9 hours ago, paulmerton said:

Re. the 5oz silver -

It only just occurred to me that the 1818 crown had edge lettering that sticks out, and so that lends weight to the rumours of there being no 5oz silver option available for this one. They cancelled the 5oz Petition Crown due to production complications with the sticky-out lettering. The 2oz and 10oz coins are essentially piedforts, and presumably easier to make because the edge tooling is less likely to break when the lettering doesn't extend too close to the top/bottom of the rim.

Quite how they were able to master this 200+ years ago but not today is kind of baffling, but hey ho!

Not sure if this is actually a problem, the edge letters can be incuse like many modern RM coins have been like the round pound or the £2 have had. The 1951 FOB had incuse lettering on the edges. 

Regarding the petition crown having raised egde, the complications are that there were two lines of lettering in a font which might be harder to reproduce compared to one single line of raised edge lettering. 1935 crown error with raised edge lettering when I think raised edge was meant to be for specific versions of the 1935 crown (the proof version I think). So raised edge lettering was possible in 1935 and that was just a single line of text rather than the double line of edge lettering. So saying it's hard to do when in 1935 it could be done could mean it was difficult to do two line rather than one line. Though I highly expect any edge lettering on the coin to be incuse. That being said like the petition crown any ngc graded versions will probably not show edge lettering due to the holder they use like on all other 2oz GE coins. 

[paulmerton]

18 minutes ago, tpcob303 said:

Not sure if this is actually a problem, the edge letters can be incuse like many modern RM coins have been like the round pound or the £2 have had. The 1951 FOB had incuse lettering on the edges. 

Regarding the petition crown having raised egde, the complications are that there were two lines of lettering in a font which might be harder to reproduce compared to one single line of raised edge lettering. 1935 crown error with raised edge lettering when I think raised edge was meant to be for specific versions of the 1935 crown (the proof version I think). So raised edge lettering was possible in 1935 and that was just a single line of text rather than the double line of edge lettering. So saying it's hard to do when in 1935 it could be done could mean it was difficult to do two line rather than one line. Though I highly expect any edge lettering on the coin to be incuse. That being said like the petition crown any ngc graded versions will probably not show edge lettering due to the holder they use like on all other 2oz GE coins. 

We shall see  

[DdraigAur]

Is anyone else hoping that Thursday will help fill a hole in their lives?

[tpcob303]

36 minutes ago, DdraigAur said:

Is anyone else hoping that Thursday will help fill a hole in their lives?

I have just got my 4th 2013 st george, hoping to get on Thursday too but not gold. 

[paulmerton]

1 hour ago, DdraigAur said:

Is anyone else hoping that Thursday will help fill a hole in their lives?

I'm ready

 

[Allgoldcoins]

2 hours ago, tpcob303 said:

Not sure if this is actually a problem, the edge letters can be incuse like many modern RM coins have been like the round pound or the £2 have had. The 1951 FOB had incuse lettering on the edges. 

These will have 'raised edge' lettering.

[tpcob303]

56 minutes ago, Allgoldcoins said:

These will have 'raised edge' lettering.

I read the gazette, I didn't remember seeing that it stated if it were raised or incuse edge lettering. 

However surely this information would be under RM embargo like the release date was until the other day and now just the mintage figures which I expect will be realised on release day.

[tpcob303]

1 hour ago, Allgoldcoins said:

These will have 'raised edge' lettering.

I have just gone to the beginning of this forum discussion to see the gazette declaration. Is this a typo that was meant to state incuse as I was trying to find a definitive answer on websites explaining this different type using the words incuse or excuse when referring to it. Incuse I could find but the wording on the gazette I can't find it when searching pages talking about edge lettering. 

[westminstrel]

The Gazette Proclamation states:

The coin shall have a plain edge and in excuse letters the inscription “DECUS ET TUTAMEN · ANNO REGNI II ·

The RM may have made up the word ‘excuse’ in this context, but definitely they mean ‘raised edge’, and not incuse.

[tpcob303]

Just now, westminstrel said:

The Gazette Proclamation states:

The coin shall have a plain edge and in excuse letters the inscription “DECUS ET TUTAMEN · ANNO REGNI II ·

The RM may have made up the word ‘excuse’ in this context, but definitely they mean ‘raised edge’, and not incuse.

Thank you for the confirmation, so the RM are making up words like we are expected to understand.

I mean what excuse do they have now for their QC for their final product when it arrives all scratched up or covered in milk spots or tarnish marks on silver I doubt there will be a proper excuse, perhaps if they want to make themselves seem fancy they should have kept the name Charles in Latin as making new words complicates things yet they are happy to dumb down the language and not use Latin for the monarchs name to simplify it for the masses. 

[westminstrel]

3 hours ago, tpcob303 said:

Thank you for the confirmation, so the RM are making up words like we are expected to understand.

I mean what excuse do they have now for their QC for their final product when it arrives all scratched up or covered in milk spots or tarnish marks on silver I doubt there will be a proper excuse, perhaps if they want to make themselves seem fancy they should have kept the name Charles in Latin as making new words complicates things yet they are happy to dumb down the language and not use Latin for the monarchs name to simplify it for the masses. 

Apparently it was Charles who wanted to move away from Latin in order to be more accessible to the people.

He also apparently wanted to do away with DEI GRA but let’s not even go there. 🙄

[GoldDiggerDave]

7 hours ago, westminstrel said:

The Gazette Proclamation states:

The coin shall have a plain edge and in excuse letters the inscription “DECUS ET TUTAMEN · ANNO REGNI II ·

The RM may have made up the word ‘excuse’ in this context, but definitely they mean ‘raised edge’, and not incuse.

Thanks for your hard work again!   Suppose if someone thought incuse  was "stuck into"  then excuse was the opposite? 

I'm not trying to make any incuses for anyone 🤣