Gazette Proclamation - Britannia and Liberty

[westminstrel]

 

‘For the obverse impression Our effigy with the inscription “· CHARLES III · D · G · REX · F · D · 2 POUNDS” and for the reverse a depiction of the figures Britannia and Liberty with the inscriptions “· BRITANNIA AND LIBERTY ·” and the date of the year.

The coin shall have a grained edge.’

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/4479564

Available in:

- Gold - 1 Oz and 1/4 Oz

- Silver - 1 kg, 10 Oz, 1 Oz

[SeverinDigsSovereigns]

‘For the obverse impression Our effigy with the inscription “· CHARLES III · D · G · REX · F · D · 100 POUNDS ” and for the reverse either:

(a) a depiction of St George, sitting on horseback, attacking a dragon with a spear, and the date of the year, and, in micro-text, “· 1OZ · FINE GOLD · 999.9 ·” and the date of the year; or

(b) a depiction of the figures Britannia and Liberty with the inscriptions “· BRITANNIA AND LIBERTY ·” and “(the date of the year) · 1OZ 999.9 FINE GOLD”.

This sounds like another special relationship coin after the lion and eagle one. The .9999 St. George and Dragon, on the other hand, seems to be rather interesting.

[westminstrel]

3 minutes ago, SeverinDigsSovereigns said:

‘For the obverse impression Our effigy with the inscription “· CHARLES III · D · G · REX · F · D · 100 POUNDS ” and for the reverse either:

(a) a depiction of St George, sitting on horseback, attacking a dragon with a spear, and the date of the year, and, in micro-text, “· 1OZ · FINE GOLD · 999.9 ·” and the date of the year; or

(b) a depiction of the figures Britannia and Liberty with the inscriptions “· BRITANNIA AND LIBERTY ·” and “(the date of the year) · 1OZ 999.9 FINE GOLD”.

This sounds like another special relationship coin after the lion and eagle one. The .9999 St. George and Dragon, on the other hand, seems to be rather interesting.

Yes, I saw that and I made a separate post about this because it’s, for some reason, buried inside this Proclamation.

[westminstrel]

4 minutes ago, SeverinDigsSovereigns said:

‘For the obverse impression Our effigy with the inscription “· CHARLES III · D · G · REX · F · D · 100 POUNDS ” and for the reverse either:

(a) a depiction of St George, sitting on horseback, attacking a dragon with a spear, and the date of the year, and, in micro-text, “· 1OZ · FINE GOLD · 999.9 ·” and the date of the year; or

(b) a depiction of the figures Britannia and Liberty with the inscriptions “· BRITANNIA AND LIBERTY ·” and “(the date of the year) · 1OZ 999.9 FINE GOLD”.

This sounds like another special relationship coin after the lion and eagle one. The .9999 St. George and Dragon, on the other hand, seems to be rather interesting.

I think this Proclamation got a bit mucked up.

They also seem to have made a mistake in one of the entries (it only mentions Britannia and excludes Liberty).

[SeverinDigsSovereigns]

1 minute ago, westminstrel said:

Yes, I saw that and I made a separate post about this because it’s, for some reason, buried inside this Proclamation.

I think if the exact same alloys and denominations are used for several designs then the proclamations are merged. Say you have a and b going on £100 and £25 .9999 gold and no other, they're included in the same proclamation. If a goes on £100 and £25, whereas b goes on £100, £25, and £10, then there might be separate ones

[SeverinDigsSovereigns]

Bit strange though they should do the special relationship on ouncers not £5 crowns. That was how they did entente cordiale in 2004 (and they can do it again in 2024 for the 120th anniversary)

[westminstrel]

11 minutes ago, SeverinDigsSovereigns said:

Bit strange though they should do the special relationship on ouncers not £5 crowns. That was how they did entente cordiale in 2004 (and they can do it again in 2024 for the 120th anniversary)

It could be, as you say, part of the UK-US series following up the Lion and Eagle coin. 

[SeverinDigsSovereigns]

2 minutes ago, westminstrel said:

It could be, as you say, part of the UK-US series following up the Lion and Eagle coin. 

What they can do is making Lion & Eagle proof and Britannia & Liberty bullion. Who knows... And like many coin designs these days, the theme may sound all good and the actual design underwhelming. Lion & Eagle didn't look too bad actually, and I might want to buy one when it's released.

[paulmerton]

2 hours ago, SeverinDigsSovereigns said:

Bit strange though they should do the special relationship on ouncers not £5 crowns. That was how they did entente cordiale in 2004 (and they can do it again in 2024 for the 120th anniversary)

I expect the US market would prefer 999 gold and silver to 22ct and sterling.

[Stuntman]

4 hours ago, SeverinDigsSovereigns said:

What they can do is making Lion & Eagle proof and Britannia & Liberty bullion. Who knows... And like many coin designs these days, the theme may sound all good and the actual design underwhelming. Lion & Eagle didn't look too bad actually, and I might want to buy one when it's released.

That's exactly what they seem to be doing, according to my understanding of the relevant proclamations.

[Stuntman]

This might be the relevant reverse design for the UK Britannia & Liberty coins:

https://www.coinworld.com/news/us-coins/joint-liberty-britannia-coin-design-gets-first-review

If so - I'm cautiously optimistic, assuming the inscription is nicely integrated and the coin design looks cohesive overall. 

[westminstrel]

Now this reverse is one that actually respects design principles.

Some thoughts:

- The reverse shows only LIBERTY 2024 inscribed, but that’s just shown as an example. The description states that both Mints are free to use whatever inscription they want, and the Proclamation indeed mentions that the inscription for the UK coin will say BRITANNIA AND LIBERTY.

- The obverse of the UK coin will of course be the KC III portrait, while the US coin will use the two trees design, so it’s likely they will be sold as a set too.

 

[GoldDiggerDave]

At this rate of collaboration we will end up with a Boris and Biden  commemorative.  

 

[Stuntman]

2 hours ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

At this rate of collaboration we will end up with a Boris and Biden  commemorative.  

 

Tweedledum and Tweedledumber.

[SeverinDigsSovereigns]

13 hours ago, Stuntman said:

This might be the relevant reverse design for the UK Britannia & Liberty coins:

https://www.coinworld.com/news/us-coins/joint-liberty-britannia-coin-design-gets-first-review

If so - I'm cautiously optimistic, assuming the inscription is nicely integrated and the coin design looks cohesive overall. 

That's very consistent with the 2002 Entente Cordiale design.

Edited November 29, 2023 by SeverinDigsSovereigns

[SeverinDigsSovereigns]

3 hours ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

At this rate of collaboration we will end up with a Boris and Biden  commemorative.  

 

If they did BoJo con Trumpo I'd buy that one. 

[paulmerton]

Out soon  

[westminstrel]

9 hours ago, paulmerton said:

Out soon  

Cheeky as ever, he remains. 😊

[paulmerton]

On 23/11/2023 at 12:05, SeverinDigsSovereigns said:

What they can do is making Lion & Eagle proof and Britannia & Liberty bullion. Who knows... And like many coin designs these days, the theme may sound all good and the actual design underwhelming. Lion & Eagle didn't look too bad actually, and I might want to buy one when it's released.

The Britannia and Liberty coins will be available as both proof and bullion. I think it'll be hard not to buy a cheeky bullion version and I can imagine that being quite successful.

[Petra]

On 29/11/2023 at 01:02, westminstrel said:

Now this reverse is one that actually respects design principles.

Some thoughts:

- The reverse shows only LIBERTY 2024 inscribed, but that’s just shown as an example. The description states that both Mints are free to use whatever inscription they want, and the Proclamation indeed mentions that the inscription for the UK coin will say BRITANNIA AND LIBERTY.

- The obverse of the UK coin will of course be the KC III portrait, while the US coin will use the two trees design, so it’s likely they will be sold as a set too.

 

Looks terrible, no doubt will reach new heights of rip off for the prices 🤔🫢⛄️

[paulmerton]

3 minutes ago, Petra said:

Looks terrible, no doubt will reach new heights of rip off for the prices 🤔🫢⛄️

What does it look like?

[Petra]

23 minutes ago, paulmerton said:

What does it look like?

Just going by that link further back up the page!🤔

[westminstrel]

2 hours ago, Petra said:

Looks terrible, no doubt will reach new heights of rip off for the prices 🤔🫢⛄️

Care to share what you hate about it? 

[Petra]

50 minutes ago, westminstrel said:

Care to share what you hate about it? 

Looks like something out of a tattoo shop🤔⛄️

[JamesH]

On 22/12/2023 at 15:45, Petra said:

Looks like something out of a tattoo shop🤔⛄️

Completely agree. Think it looks horrible. Reverse reminds me of the scene at the end of ‘Who Framed Roger Rabbit’ when the sun rises in toon town 🤣