1911-C and 1918-I sovereigns

[banyancb]

I recently acquired a 1911-C and a 1918-I sovereigns from a local shop that appear to be in decent condition.

I know that there are a few 1911-C fakes floating around, what is your opinion on these?

 

 

[banyancb]

Looks like some images were compressed, here they are in full glory:

https://ibb.co/jRDZ1MJ
https://ibb.co/3Txb2qT
https://ibb.co/DM2rcPy
https://ibb.co/dM7PMMG
https://ibb.co/cwDTyvN
https://ibb.co/hCB7bns

[James32]

@LawrenceChard @dicker @sovereignsteve

[sovereignsteve]

13 minutes ago, banyancb said:

I know that there are a few 1911-C fakes floating around, what is your opinion on these?

Not being arsey, but if you have the coins in your hand, the best thing would be to do the spade work before you ask others to spend time doing what can be a time consuming exercise, carefully studying photos of coins to spot good fakes. Carefully measuring the dimensions and weight may well tell all you need to know. Obviously, if they are rubbish fakes then experienced eyes such as @LawrenceChardwould spot them from Blackpool without the aid of the internet, and also would spot a decent fake if he had the coin in hand.

[banyancb]

6 minutes ago, sovereignsteve said:

Not being arsey, but if you have the coins in your hand, the best thing would be to do the spade work before you ask others to spend time doing what can be a time consuming exercise, carefully studying photos of coins to spot good fakes. Carefully measuring the dimensions and weight may well tell all you need to know. Obviously, if they are rubbish fakes then experienced eyes such as @LawrenceChardwould spot them from Blackpool without the aid of the internet, and also would spot a decent fake if he had the coin in hand.

I’m a beginner, still learning! I did what you said, but would like a second opinion from someone knowledgeable.  

The 1911-C looks a bit iffy, hence why I’m unsure. 
It has a few “cracks” in different directions coming from the King’s head as the one shown here:

https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/3382/Counterfeit-Sovereigns/
 

At the same time, St. George looks fine, just a bit worn, no red flags there (maybe the B. P. is too small?)

[dicker]

Hello

I see you are from the Middle East…welcome to the forum.

Personally, I think the 1911 doesn’t look quite right.

Best 

Dicker

[LawrenceChard]

23 minutes ago, banyancb said:

I recently acquired a 1911-C and a 1918-I sovereigns from a local shop that appear to be in decent condition.

I know that there are a few 1911-C fakes floating around, what is your opinion on these?

😎

 

18 minutes ago, banyancb said:

Looks like some images were compressed, here they are in full glory:

https://ibb.co/jRDZ1MJ
https://ibb.co/3Txb2qT
https://ibb.co/DM2rcPy
https://ibb.co/dM7PMMG
https://ibb.co/cwDTyvN
https://ibb.co/hCB7bns

 

11 minutes ago, James32 said:

@LawrenceChard @dicker @sovereignsteve

 

3 minutes ago, sovereignsteve said:

Not being arsey, but if you have the coins in your hand, the best thing would be to do the spade work before you ask others to spend time doing what can be a time consuming exercise, carefully studying photos of coins to spot good fakes. Carefully measuring the dimensions and weight may well tell all you need to know. Obviously, if they are rubbish fakes then experienced eyes such as @LawrenceChardwould spot them from Blackpool without the aid of the internet, and also would spot a decent fake if he had the coin in hand.

I am glad to hear that your local shop appears to be in decent condition.

@sovereignsteve is starting to sound like me.

It would have been worth taking the coins out of the capsules before photographing them.

Are there 2 coins or 3?

It would have been clearer is you had renamed the images files from https://ibb.co/jRDZ1MJ to date 1 mintmark x obv/rev etc.

I always advise naming the supplier, because that can help people to help you, and it is also provides valuable market intelligence.

Have you compared your coins with other high quality photos online?

😎

 

[LawrenceChard]

5 minutes ago, dicker said:

Hello

I see you are from the Middle East…welcome to the forum.

Personally, I think the 1911 doesn’t look quite right.

Best 

Dicker

Middle East?

"Location: UK"

Peterborough? Bethnal Green?

😎

[dicker]

The photos are not clear enough to see enough detail but..

- The date looks off

- Tail looks off

- St G seems to have something that looks like a broken garter on his calf

- Below the dragons chest - not sure what’s going on there!

- There are odd scratches in the fields that don’t appear to go over the raised details but appear either side of the raised details e.g around the area of the horses tail

Best

Dicker

[dicker]

2 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

Middle East?

"Location: UK"

Peterborough? Bethnal Green?

😎

 

[banyancb]

This was bought from a local shop in Portugal. I have bought several coins from them over the past few months and they all look ok, I just have doubts about these two.

Here are better quality pics for the 1911:

https://ibb.co/dPsnwxp
https://ibb.co/gJzdbJ0

Notice those hairlines going from the King’s hair into the letters. That looks odd to me… also St George maybe a little too worn compared to the rest of the coin?

[dicker]

Portugal, U.K., UAE

Very international!

[LawrenceChard]

19 minutes ago, dicker said:

 

banyancb

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Very confusing!

😎

[LawrenceChard]

11 minutes ago, dicker said:

Portugal, U.K., UAE

Very international!

New York

Paris

Peckham

😎

[dicker]

Was the chap who you purchased the 1911 from called Del, by any chance?

[Roy]

9 minutes ago, dicker said:

Was the chap who you purchased the 1911 from called Del, by any chance?

 

41 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

I am glad to hear that your local shop appears to be in decent condition.

 

[sovereignsteve]

Haha Good old ****, I haven't heard mention of him for donkeys years!

Just now, sovereignsteve said:

Haha Good old ****, I haven't heard mention of him for donkeys years!

Oh FFS!!!! "DickEmery"

[sovereignsteve]

1 hour ago, banyancb said:

I’m a beginner, still learning! I did what you said

And the results were?

[banyancb]

5 minutes ago, sovereignsteve said:

And the results were?

Hard call. There are some red flags but they could be just bad cleaning and wear and tear, there’s nothing really obvious.
 

Hence why I wanted more opinions…

[GoldDiggerDave]

I've got a few 1911-C yours is the left mines on the right .

 

[banyancb]

11 minutes ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

I've got a few 1911-C yours is the left mines on the right .

 

Really good pics, thank you!

 

Am I being blind or is it wishful thinking to say that mine just looks legitimate but more worn out? 

 

[LawrenceChard]

2 minutes ago, banyancb said:

Really good pics, thank you!

Am I being blind or is it wishful thinking to say that mine just looks legitimate but more worn out? 

 

No, those pics are OK(ish). If you want to see really good coin pics, you need to look at a well-known Blackpool dealer.

...and W(here)TF and W(ho)TF is your LCS?

😎

[GoldDiggerDave]

@LawrenceChard they are some quick photos did not have time to set up my lighting rig the suns going down! 🤣  

[GoldDiggerDave]

It's always best to use a decent dealer at the start of your sovereign collecting until you can build some confidence up.   Here is a link to a local dealer.  

https://www.chards.co.uk/1911-gold-sovereign-george-v-canada/6074

 

[banyancb]

10 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

No, those pics are OK(ish). If you want to see really good coin pics, you need to look at a well-known Blackpool dealer.

...and W(here)TF and W(ho)TF is your LCS?

😎

http://filateliadochiado.pt
 

search for “libra” to see the sovereigns on offer