Solachesis

I cut a hole into the bottom of a duck egg, drained and cleaned it, then stuffed my gold inside, and it now sits with my other eggs...I should be safe as long as the thief doesn't fancy an omelette...Or chucking eggs around 

2 minutes ago, James32 said:

Look into something like this as it should be airtite, still include a few moisture packs. 

Look around for better prices though, as I'm sure they will pop up cheaper 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Master-Lock-LCHW20101-LCHW20101-Electronics/dp/B0158OFGPQ/ref=mp_s_a_1_8?crid=A7CPJ2QAGDPA&keywords=fire+safe&qid=1666185294&qu=eyJxc2MiOiI1Ljk0IiwicXNhIjoiNS42OCIsInFzcCI6IjQuODcifQ%3D%3D&sprefix=fire+safe%2Caps%2C111&sr=8-8

Good suggestion! I'll look for something like this, thank you! 

8 minutes ago, James32 said:

Looks like milk spots ( as best as I can tell from pictures)

Unfortunately there's not a thing you can do to stop these,they can take days or even months to show 😪 

Moisture will show as tarnish eventually ( depending on whats in the air at your storage location, sulphur etc)

One thing I will say,is depending on what finish is on the wooden storage box and how tight it seals when closed, then the wood will suck up Moisture and pass on the favor to the inside contents.

 

That's very helpful, thank you! It's not a particularly air tight box or anything, just one of those decorative Treasure chest type things, probably just painted and decorated plywood haha 

Sorry if it's blindingly obvious, I swear it wasn't there yesterday. I keep my silver in a wooden box, sometimes the capsules look a touch cloudy on the outside.

On a side note, should I get a moisture pack? Or will the capsules protect them?

Just got my 2023 Britannia. I don't know why it's too much to ask to just have one which doesn't look like c**p. My Libertad? Perfect, my maple? Perfect, my kookaburra? Perfect - all my royal mint silver? Bad.

10 hours ago, LawrenceChard said:

Here is our third mockup design for a 2023 gold sovereign reverse design:

Thoughts?

😎

I NEED IT

I'm actually using your first rendition of the 2023 sov as a thumbnail for the "2023 sovereign" saving space in my bank account 

8 hours ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

This is a great topic!  Grading coins can polarise coin collectors, some point blank don't like it where others have embraced it   I first got into graded coins just out of curiosity, I had bought several sovereigns from auction that I knew was good and I wanted to see how they would grade just to gauge my own eye so to speak.    

Understand your reasons for and managing your expectations is key when it comes to grading, I get many enquiries from  guys showing me blurry photos saying they will only submit if it gets a 70, I polity decline these people as I'm just buying grief if I deal with them, as they only want the top results and want someone to guarantee them that they will......unfortunately this is not how it works, when you submit coins you have to accept the grades you want and the grades you get are two different things .  

Your coin does not look bad at all a bit of toning, you mention brown/orange specks.....I would suggest oxidation or copper but both these should not appear on a silver 999 coin of this age imo possibly some surface contamination if it's been stored with other coins possibly or the coin could have 1 part copper I doubt it but I've never seen modern Russian silver bullion so it's possible.  

I can submit this to the NGC for you  and conserve prior to sending  if you need it.  Attached is the NGC population report for the 3 Rubles silver coins and some ebay links with sales listings for them.  There is 2 mints for this coin SP and M so it could be worth while taking time to identify which mint your coin came from.  St Petersburg or Moscow 

I did find a coa for a proof 3 robes for 2010 what is interesting is the metal content the coin is depicted with 999 yet the COA is showing 925/1000, it's possible the coin and COA are a mismatch, but I still find this interesting, wonder what your coin is 999 or 925? 

https://www.ngccoin.com/census/world/russia-federation-1992-to-date/sc-369/s3r/

https://www.ebay.com/itm/304196039315

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_George_the_Victorious_(coin)

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/russian-rubles-silver-coin-st-george-1761343607

 

 

Wow, so they've only graded a total of 32 2010 St Petersburg's, and 63 from the Moscow mint? I tried to find coins more commonly seen to us, like Britannias, to get a comparative picture, but there were so many options and categories I couldn't find them haha. 

I did some digging, I believe mine is a Moscow mint, signified by the MM, opposed to the ST Petersburg СПМ I found this here: https://www.cointalk.com/threads/help-with-russian-mint-marks-required-please.185243/

It must be a real hassle with people wanting guarantees for a 70 grade, to be honest, if it got a 67, I would not mind. (I assume that's the lowest, since it only showed 67-70 on that census) To me, this would be an experiment in a sense; I've never had a coin graded and thought it would be a good experience. As someone relatively new to coin collecting, it would allow me to experience the "other side" of the numismatic journey. I felt this would be a good choice of coin to get graded, it's an interesting one.

That COA stating .925 is interesting, especially since it has 999 ag on the coin in question. 

I've attached a better picture of the "brown circle" as well as the COA I got with it. I've ordered a different capsule, as I don't really trust this one, it's far too easy to open and maybe that's why it has toned the way it has. 

The seller was also selling other coins from the same collection, in the same capsules provided by the London Mint Office, which show similar toning, so maybe it was how he had them stored, or the capsule itself.

I'm definitely interested in your conservation service, I don't know if you offer this as a standalone, and after you've worked on it, we can see how it shapes up and discuss potentially getting it graded?

On the one hand, it would be good, on the other, I like the symmetry of all my coins in round capsules, which display very nicely and can be stacked in a tube if I need to transport them. So I'm still a bit undecided on the grading of it, but I'd love to send it off to you for conservation, if that's something you do. And hey, you'd get to play with a Russian coin! 

21 minutes ago, asl said:

I'm not confident I will be getting my order anytime soon. This morning, I received the following email from Atkinson's: "The response to the launch of the 2023 UK Britannia coins has been incredible, and as a result of this the volume of orders we are currently handling has increased hugely, therefore this has delayed the speed in which we can despatch orders." Last time I will be ordering from them.

Balls. I bet it will finally come and be typical Royal Mint quality control too, absolutely battered, and probably milky also.

İf when it eventually comes, if it looks like a toddler has taken a bite out of it, it might be my last royal mint coin outside of sovereigns or gold coins 

28 minutes ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

I'm about to do a YT video on the subject, @Solachesis I offer NGC grading and one of only a few amount of people who offer coin conservation.

You first need to understand the reasons why you want a coin grading, if it's just a case of thinking of adding value to a coin you are like to be disappointed unless you have done your own homework.

Why grade a coin?

1, Added value of course this is the leading factor with people wanting a coin graded especially modern proof coins, however if a modern coin fails to get the PF70UC grade it's highly likely it will not add any value at all, in fact it might make it harder to sell than a coin left loose in the box with a COA

2, Saleability   Yes grading coins can help make them more saleable especially if they are collectable and have lower population in the NGC and PCGS reports. Again this is based on you doing your homework......some 1/2 sovereigns are doing remarkably well for example.

3, Storage they are easier to store that having the coins in the boxes and they do present nicely, they are also good as a reference tool, I'm building a George V graded branch mint set and want to get a different grade across the set as I can use this as a visible benchmark for other George V sovereigns in my collection.

4, Sentimental reasons, some people what the coins encapsulated for a gift or might have other reasons, children's birthdays.....done this recently for one gentleman, he had 2 proof sovereigns of his children's birthdays that they had handled over the years I conserved these for him and he got them graded  (just got the results back both got PF70UC) 

In short can you buy coins and make loads of money getting them graded and then selling them at a profit...........YES!   I have done this, but I will not be one of the bozo's making it sound like you can always win and never lose.     Homework, homework, homework  you need you learn for yourself if you want to flip graded coins to make a profit,  if this is only your sole reason for dong this then you also have to accept you might be left holding the baby once the market turns and you can not sell your coins. Like I pointed out above it's not the only reason to grade a coin  and If you have any questions I will be more than honest with you.

 

 

 

 

Wow thanks for such a detailed response! And I think I've come across your videos on YouTube! You were clearing the fog off of a proof gold coin, and then showed some milky maples.

İ understood grading valuable and low mintage coins, and that some people like the look in the graded packages, as well as the authenticity they provide.  I've seen some plain old bullion Britannia's and eagles graded which I didn't understand, as they are so plentiful and grading it probably cost more than the coin itself.

My main consideration for grading it was because I found it quite hard to find this, it was not in stock in any of the bullion sites, and there was few on eBay, and they were mainly graded. So I felt it may be a good coin to submit.

I do have a COA for this from the London Mint Office, so maybe grading it isn't really required, but I think it's a beautiful coin, but I don't know if there are any parts of it which can be improved with conservation, or if most of its looks is down to natural ageing.

İn terms of my goals, I don't plan on flipping it, maybe I will sell it later down the line, but I'm thinking years later, if at all. I'd love to keep it in as pristine condition as I can, or get it improved if there are areas where it can be.

7 minutes ago, stefffana said:

Hi, 

My personal opinion is to leave the coin as it is and to enjoy having a beautiful and unusual coin. A good capsule will be enough.

I don't think spending more for grading will add a real value for a future resale .

The toning is lovely as it is.

 

Thank you for the input ☺️ I might have to get a different capsule as this one seems very easy to open, it doesn't seem very airtight haha 

I've not graded a coin before, but today this arrived, it's the 2010 Russian St George the Victorious 3 rubles 1oz silver coin. 

Its had some general toning, which looks quite good, but it also has a couple of brown/orange specks, which I assume is also toning.

It had quite a high mintage, 500,000, but I haven't seen many of them around in the UK. 

My second question: conservation, is this something you can get done before sending it for grading? Or an additional service they will do?

So, would you send this off for grading? Would love your thoughts and advice, thanks! 

There's already been a proclamation stating the 2023 sovereign will feature Charles, and a royal arms rendition, there's a post about it here 

On 15/10/2022 at 12:33, asl said:

Where did you buy from? I ordered near a week ago from Atkinson's and they haven't even been dispatched yet. I paid premium as I thought I would get them quicker. Last time I'll be doing that. 

Me too, I ordered on the 6th, paid £31, they are now closer to £29, still hasn't even dispatched yet. Considering stock was supposedly coming on the 13th, I was hoping they would have dispatched on the Friday (14th)

I should have just waited 

1/10, it's too gold. I like my sovereigns coloured like a well fried pancake.

But in all seriousness, your rendition is very nice, would buy

On 06/10/2022 at 10:12, Cogload said:

 

Very little it seems. The new East India company basically blagged the name if we believe Wikipedia: 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanjiv_Mehta_(British_businessman)

 

I had a pretty bad taste in my mouth hearing that some businessman had "revived" the east India company name to profit off of what was essentially the world's first mega-corporation, which plundered India and illegally smuggled opium into China.

Then I read the businessman is Indian, and felt there was a satisfying irony that it's an Indian raking in money on a brand which exploited India, fair play to him

İf I wasn't skint, I would buy this. No one has bid on it, and the price is very good, 1909 Mehmet V turkish  100 kurush coin, weighs 7.2g and is 22k. 

1 day 15 hrs left, think it's gone under the radar, I spent months trying to find ottoman Turkish gold from bullion dealers with no luck, 

Thought it was worth posting 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/225195853093?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=59itnc2RQge&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=z1wqlu01szc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

1 hour ago, paulmerton said:

They're starting to dispatch the 1oz silvers 

My buying of all things gold and silver seems to always coincide with royal mail strikes haha. The weeks without, I don't buy anything, the times I do, there are service disruptions

Sorry if this has already been posted. 2022 1oz silver Libertad, including postage and coin capsule, currently £32.99 on silvertrader

I checked the bullion dealers and they were either OOS or more like £40-45

https://www.silvertrader.uk/product/2022-mexican-libertad-1-oz-999-silver-bullion-coin/

This Proclamation shall come into force on the fourteenth day of September Two thousand and twenty-two.

Given at Our Court at Buckingham Palace, this thirteenth day of September in the year of Our Lord Two thousand and twenty-two and in the first year of Our Reign.

GOD SAVE THE KING 

I feel like I was just transported to the 19th century from reading this.

18 minutes ago, James32 said:

but we all have to treat ourselves once in a while

Was basically how I was looking at it. Lowest premiums for the majority, with the occasional nicety sprinkled in. 

I'll sleep on it, thanks for the chat!

4 minutes ago, James32 said:

Depends on the specific price. What's the actual price???

It was £400, in the H&T on my high street, so same price as the best value sov on BBP, £7 more expensive than chards 2022 şov when accounting for delivery, and £10 more than Atkinson's.

Was surprised that they don't seem to adjust their prices with the gold price. They were flogging 1/4 sovs for £110 a month ago, and they're still £110 now lol 

33 minutes ago, James32 said:

He means a non  RM proof for similar money to a bullion sovereign. 

At least I think so

Yeah tis what I meant! I thought if it was the same amount of gold, was genuinely gold, and the price of a standard bullion coin, but with a proof finish and nice design, it might have been a good buy.

But people have said it would be more tricky to sell probably if I wanted to part with it. I was pretty set on getting it, as I liked the design a lot, it was a Jody Clark rendition of George and the Dragon, but I'll probably just get a normal sov now 

1 minute ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

A proof sovereign not issued by the a royal mint at the same price of a RM proof sovereign? 
 

a proof sovereign not issued by the RM but only£5-10 more than the bullion price 

yes/no why?…………WTF 

I never said a royal mint proof sovereign man, I said a proof commemorative coin to the specifications of a sovereign, being the same price as an actual bullion sovereign - not a proof.

But as people have pointed out, better to just get an actual sovereign from the RM