Sovereigns won on auction Fake or not

[Spyder]

Hello Members 

I need an expert eye on these two Melbourne Sovereigns. These were won from an online auction house and received today.  These coins were bid on to fill missing years and not for sale.

To me there something that does not look correct. The strike looks weak from photos taken with different light settings. The 1914m, right foot  and hand seems strange and part missing. 

What do others think? 

I should say both coins pass the sigma test and are correct weight and dimensions. 

Spyder 

Edited January 24 by Spyder

[Petra]

Not too sure, have you not got ones you can sit side by side and compare? If weight and dimensions are ok then surely should be ok?🤔

[Spyder]

6 minutes ago, Petra said:

Not too sure, have you not got ones you can sit side by side and compare? If weight and dimensions are ok then surely should be ok?🤔

Do not have the same dated sovereigns from the M mint, so can not check side by side. I know that some of the Australian coins were weakly struck. Will check online for a same dated coins from M mint.

[Orpster]

@modofantasma will likely have these years for comparison 

[modofantasma]

Not to cause alarm just some observations...

From the final pic a quick look on my phone these 3 things first stood out to the left coin 

It looks quite shiny on your bottom picture

1... What is that in my green circle? 

Maybe just fluff on the coin?

2... The M mintmark looks quite big? On my photos I often struggle to get the mint marks to show clearly 

3...The riders hand in my red circle seems to be missing the 2 fingers and the blob on the horses neck looks a bit odd but could be the photo quality or wear perhaps ?

[modofantasma]

41 minutes ago, Orpster said:

@modofantasma will likely have these years for comparison 

I do but won't see them for a while I'll check what photos I've got 

[modofantasma]

I shared some quite detailed photos of some Melbourne and Perth sovs yesterday here though they're 1924

 

[dicker]

Personally, I would buy these.

Dont see any red flags.

All the best

Dicker

[Sovhead]

They’re fine 

[GoldDiggerDave]

There’s many Australian sovereigns that are a much weaker strike, this is due to delays in the dies shipped from the UK to the Australian mints, as they were not allowed to make their own dies.

Other than delays, some new dies were unusable as they were rusted/damaged before they got to their destination. 
 

The Australians had to mint far more coins with the dies they had, so they simply turned the pressure down so the die set could strike more coins before they wore out. 
 

 

[Spyder]

1 hour ago, modofantasma said:

Not to cause alarm just some observations...

From the final pic a quick look on my phone these 3 things first stood out to the left coin 

It looks quite shiny on your bottom picture

1... What is that in my green circle? 

Maybe just fluff on the coin?

2... The M mintmark looks quite big? On my photos I often struggle to get the mint marks to show clearly 

3...The riders hand in my red circle seems to be missing the 2 fingers and the blob on the horses neck looks a bit odd but could be the photo quality or wear perhaps ?

Thanks for your input. I have taken another photo of the 1914m.  Passed the coin under some hot water. That mark near the horse knee joint is now gone. Just some dirt and angle of photo. 

Thank you to everyone who gave their opinion, this is why this forum is so great as there are so many eyes to view what others might not see or notice.

Edited January 24 by Spyder

[modofantasma]

26 minutes ago, Spyder said:

Thanks for your input. I have taken another photo of the 1914m.  Passed the coin under some hot water. That mark near the horse knee joint is now gone. Just some dirt and angle of photo. 

Thank you to everyone who gave their opinion, this is why this forum is so great as some so many eyes to view what others might not see or notice.

It looks better on that photo 

[Petra]

27 minutes ago, Spyder said:

Thanks for your input. I have taken another photo of the 1914m.  Passed the coin under some hot water. That mark near the horse knee joint is now gone. Just some dirt and angle of photo. 

Thank you to everyone who gave their opinion, this is why this forum is so great as some so many eyes to view what others might not see or notice.

Looking great😮

[SVcollector]

They are genuine. 

[Foster88]

There isn’t anything wrong with them.

Australian sovereigns have a much weaker strike than their ‘London’ counterparts.

Just wait until you look at an early George V London mint sovereign and compare it to an early 1930’s Australian Minted sovereign.

[CazLikesCoins]

Genuine imo. And those wear and tear dings look very genuinely 'Oh noe I've bashed my gold coin and now its edge is dented' but only in the way an authentic gold coin dings so that's ok. And in a 100 years they'll be wondering if my coin is real lol, or forsooth or whatever they were lolling a hundred years ago.