Does this sovereign look fake?

[MJCOIN]

I'm just browsing a few auctions for sovereigns and came across a listing for a George V 1913 sovereign.  Something looks off to me. What do other TSF members think?

 

https://www.easyliveauction.com/catalogue/lot/0af1df88527ce3741dffb4081e9a9d45/0af8d24542e81eb9357e7ef448a6646f/live-online-clocks-coins-stamps-militaria-toys-lot-69/

 

[sovereignsteve]

I would agree, one or two aspects don't look right but can be difficult to be sure from photos.

[MJCOIN]

1 minute ago, sovereignsteve said:

I would agree, one or two aspects don't look right but can be difficult to be sure from photos.

There are some other George V sovereigns in the auction.  They look very different - more as I would expect a sovereign to look.

[LawrenceChard]

59 minutes ago, MJCOIN said:

I'm just browsing a few auctions for sovereigns and came across a listing for a George V 1913 sovereign.  Something looks off to me. What do other TSF members think?

https://www.easyliveauction.com/catalogue/lot/0af1df88527ce3741dffb4081e9a9d45/0af8d24542e81eb9357e7ef448a6646f/live-online-clocks-coins-stamps-militaria-toys-lot-69/

 

Looks OK to me, although a decent quality photo would help to determine whether all the wavy lines on it are from wear and tear, being in jewellery, or being cast in a back street in Dubai.

Have you asked the auctioneer, or checked whether they know anything about coins?

21 minutes ago, MJCOIN said:

There are some other George V sovereigns in the auction.  They look very different - more as I would expect a sovereign to look.

What, copper coloured?

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[Midasfrog]

Looks like it has been refinished in the jewellers workshop with a mat burnished finish.

[MJCOIN]

10 hours ago, LawrenceChard said:

Looks OK to me, although a decent quality photo would help to determine whether all the wavy lines on it are from wear and tear, being in jewellery, or being cast in a back street in Dubai.

Have you asked the auctioneer, or checked whether they know anything about coins?

What, copper coloured?

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Here are two different coins from the same auction.  The first picture is the one I think looks a bit odd.  When compared side by side the bottom one has a 'deeper' edge to the coin (as I would expect).  The top one seems almost too 'flat' by comparison - if you understand me.

No, I haven't informed the auctioneer.  I do not consider myself experienced enough to tell whether this is a fake or not, hence asking for advice here.

 

 

Edited March 4, 2022 by MJCOIN

[modofantasma]

The initials look closer to the back of the neck on the top photo than the bottom 🧐

[modofantasma]

Going cross eyed looking but does the neck look the same shape? Particularly the front of the neck? Could be the slight differences in light 

[Zhorro]

12 hours ago, MJCOIN said:

I'm just browsing a few auctions for sovereigns and came across a listing for a George V 1913 sovereign.  Something looks off to me. What do other TSF members think?

 

https://www.easyliveauction.com/catalogue/lot/0af1df88527ce3741dffb4081e9a9d45/0af8d24542e81eb9357e7ef448a6646f/live-online-clocks-coins-stamps-militaria-toys-lot-69/

 

It's actually 1931 not 1913.  Therefore it has the smaller GV head.  Nothing really stands out as being unusual.

[MJCOIN]

1 minute ago, Zhorro said:

It's actually 1931 not 1913.  Therefore it has the smaller GV head.  Nothing really stands out as being unusual.

Thank you.

[LawrenceChard]

1 hour ago, MJCOIN said:

Here are two different coins from the same auction.  The first picture is the one I think looks a bit odd.  When compared side by side the bottom one has a 'deeper' edge to the coin (as I would expect).  The top one seems almost too 'flat' by comparison - if you understand me.

No, I haven't informed the auctioneer.  I do not consider myself experienced enough to tell whether this is a fake or not, hence asking for advice here.

 

 

The lower coin is a first head. You did not state the date, but somewhere between 1911, and 1928.

As @Zhorro pointed out, your original 1913 is actually 1931.

Again, the mediocre quality photo does not help much. 

There appears to be an interesting die crack on the obverse of the lower coin, unless it is a casting "flash". Hard to tell with the poor lighting.

Would need to see the actual coins.

[James32]

4 hours ago, MJCOIN said:

Here are two different coins from the same auction.  The first picture is the one I think looks a bit odd.  When compared side by side the bottom one has a 'deeper' edge to the coin (as I would expect).  The top one seems almost too 'flat' by comparison - if you understand me.

No, I haven't informed the auctioneer.  I do not consider myself experienced enough to tell whether this is a fake or not, hence asking for advice here.

 

 

The o in omn is different and the hair around temple looks different, the top one seems weaker in overall strike 🤔 

[Booky586]

Spot the difference, love it!

Denticles around outer edge of large head opposed to "other" edge detail on small head. Anyone know what the correct term for "other" is?

Can't see any obvious signs of a fake, but limited by photo quality and only half an image.

You tend to find the small head George V have a weaker strike so look different compared to a large head.

[GoldDiggerDave]

The mint mark is very apparent and could be deliberate, the BM on the obverse looks the same.  Many of these late Australian are much weaker strike like the one on the right.

[Britannia47]

Time for another comparison photo. This time between the First (Larger) Head and the Small head. I had almost forgotten about the different head sizes until 'Zhorro' reminded me! The larger 1925 on the right is 2mm higher. Both are S.A. minted 1925 and 1931  + a single reverse 1931 photo.