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Milled Edge Differences on 2021 Silver Bullion Britannias


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Interesting Milled Edge Differences on 2021 Silver Bullion Britannias

About 2 weeks ago, we received 20,000 x 2021 Silver Britannias

Our photographer noticed the milled edges looked unusual, so did a side by side comparison:

2021elizabethiisilverbullion1ozbritannianewandolddesignswithcloseviewoftherimswithoverlayshowingdifferenceinshapeanddepthcrop.thumb.jpg.29dda5b5ca57d30d0dada97aa13a1346.jpg

The whole batch seemed to be the same.

Last week we received a further 20,000 of them, and they all appear to be normal.

Without checking I don't know which is which, and as we have none of the earlier batch left, I can only ask.

Update, our photographer just messaged me (at 22.58!) to tell me the odd looking one is on the left.

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16 hours ago, LawrenceChard said:

Interesting Milled Edge Differences on 2021 Silver Bullion Britannias

About 2 weeks ago, we received 20,000 x 2021 Silver Britannias

Our photographer noticed the milled edges looked unusual, so did a side by side comparison:

2021elizabethiisilverbullion1ozbritannianewandolddesignswithcloseviewoftherimswithoverlayshowingdifferenceinshapeanddepthcrop.thumb.jpg.29dda5b5ca57d30d0dada97aa13a1346.jpg

The whole batch seemed to be the same.

Last week we received a further 20,000 of them, and they all appear to be normal.

Without checking I don't know which is which, and as we have none of the earlier batch left, I can only ask.

Update, our photographer just messaged me (at 22.58!) to tell me the odd looking one is on the left.

Given the uneven milled edge, is there any difference to the obverse or reverse side comparing with the normal britannia?

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14 hours ago, LawrenceChard said:

Interesting Milled Edge Differences on 2021 Silver Bullion Britannias

About 2 weeks ago, we received 20,000 x 2021 Silver Britannias

Our photographer noticed the milled edges looked unusual, so did a side by side comparison:

2021elizabethiisilverbullion1ozbritannianewandolddesignswithcloseviewoftherimswithoverlayshowingdifferenceinshapeanddepthcrop.thumb.jpg.29dda5b5ca57d30d0dada97aa13a1346.jpg

The whole batch seemed to be the same.

Last week we received a further 20,000 of them, and they all appear to be normal.

Without checking I don't know which is which, and as we have none of the earlier batch left, I can only ask.

Update, our photographer just messaged me (at 22.58!) to tell me the odd looking one is on the left.

It looks like the pressure was wrong on the coin press.

Not sure if the Mint use an upsetting machine anymore, so would be interesting to see if the devices are softer(for want of a better description),

even though there is no difference to the coin.

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3 hours ago, Wampum said:

It looks like the pressure was wrong on the coin press.

Not sure if the Mint use an upsetting machine anymore, so would be interesting to see if the devices are softer(for want of a better description),

even though there is no difference to the coin.

More likely to be a different / worn / collar, or similar problem.

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On 27/07/2021 at 16:45, LawrenceChard said:

More likely to be a different / worn / collar, or similar problem.

All possibilities, will be interesting to see how far afield they get over the coming years, It will be like the yellow plastic ducks of the coin world, especially if they all started at your shop. 

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On 27/07/2021 at 16:45, LawrenceChard said:

More likely to be a different / worn / collar, or similar problem.

I find it hard to belive that this, and all the other RM QC issues reported here over recent months, and this are unrelated...

 

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The Government-owned mint, based in Wales, makes coins for the UK and countries around the world, as well as offering investment products.

It has reported a pre-tax profit of £12.4million in the year to 31 March 2021, up from a £200,000 loss the year before.

....

They seem to be, quite literally, 'cutting corners'.

Good reputations are quite 'sticky' once you've earnt one. However, if you lose it, bad repuations are rather 'sticky' too...

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On 26/07/2021 at 22:51, LawrenceChard said:

Interesting Milled Edge Differences on 2021 Silver Bullion Britannias

About 2 weeks ago, we received 20,000 x 2021 Silver Britannias

Our photographer noticed the milled edges looked unusual, so did a side by side comparison:

The whole batch seemed to be the same.

Last week we received a further 20,000 of them, and they all appear to be normal.

Without checking I don't know which is which, and as we have none of the earlier batch left, I can only ask.

Update, our photographer just messaged me (at 22.58!) to tell me the odd looking one is on the left.

On Friday, we noticed another production error problem on 2021 silver Britannias. We will be taking photos on Monday, and post them here.

Chards

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21 minutes ago, zxtm99 said:

I find it hard to belive that this, and all the other RM QC issues reported here over recent months, and this are unrelated...

 

They seem to be, quite literally, 'cutting corners'.

Good reputations are quite 'sticky' once you've earnt one. However, if you lose it, bad repuations are rather 'sticky' too...

From memory, the Royal Mint does seem to have an erratic profitability record.

I have read the RM report, or at least the most important and less waffly bits of it. I may need to check it further for any mention of quality control.

In my opinion, there should be no excuse for what seems to be a lack of awareness on their part about the problem. The net profits generated in the last year do not sound excessive bearing in mind the turnover (revenue), and the fact they have a monopoly over the production of United Kingdom coins.

I suspect some of the apparent RM indifference to quality control problems may be because its management believes its own propaganda and hype.

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On 01/08/2021 at 12:25, LawrenceChard said:

On Friday, we noticed another production error problem on 2021 silver Britannias. We will be taking photos on Monday, and post them here.

2021elizabethiisilverbullion1oz2poundsbritanniacomparisonofnormaldesignwithrecentlyreceivedworndesignobvcrop.thumb.jpg.c00856d8b6bc3a15a3d4dcff460805e6.jpg

... and the reverses looked normal according to Doug ...

Any guesses about the cause?

...apart from c**p RM QC

Weak striking, worn dies?

 

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I assume the post above is the image version of a typo? Or have you received a batch of double-headed Brits?

1 hour ago, LawrenceChard said:

Any guesses about the cause?

...apsrt from c**p RM QC

Weak striking, worn dies?

 

I assume the post above is the image version of a typo? Or have you received a batch of double-headed Brits?

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2 minutes ago, zxtm99 said:

I assume the post above is the image version of a typo? Or have you received a batch of double-headed Brits?

I assume the post above is the image version of a typo? Or have you received a batch of double-headed Brits?

You can say that again! 🙂

Well spotted.

I also noticed that when I got home, after rushing at the office.

It took me 3 attempts to delete the duplicate photos, but TSF seemed to be intent on "helping" by restoring them.

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1 hour ago, LawrenceChard said:

2021elizabethiisilverbullion1oz2poundsbritanniacomparisonofnormaldesignwithrecentlyreceivedworndesignobvcrop.thumb.jpg.c00856d8b6bc3a15a3d4dcff460805e6.jpg

... and the reverses looked normal according to Doug ...

Any guesses about the cause?

...apart from c**p RM QC

Weak striking, worn dies?

 

Reverse look about normal. These are the same two coins, with the good one on the left, and faulty one on the right:

2021elizabethiisilverbullion1oz2poundsbritanniacomparisonofnormaldesignwithrecentlyreceivedworndesignrev4000.thumb.jpg.9be032a03d625f6c8f398cc09b5517b4.jpg

TSF Members are invited to play "Spot the Difference"

Chards

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On 04/08/2021 at 12:56, EdwardTeach said:

Is there any chance the faulty ones could be worth more or is this kind of thing not the same as other types of misprint?

 

If you read they are worth more, it's a misprint!

I don't consider this example of poor production quality to enhance their value, however there are error collectors who may find them desirable or interesting.

Coins are minted not printed, so misminted rather than misprinted.

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1 hour ago, Wampum said:

@LawrenceChardJust out of curiosity, are the two coins shown from the same Batch/Box? 

No, from different batches.

I don't know how many of the weak ones we have, but I hope it's not many.

We @ChardsCoinandBullionDealer should keep one in our Black Museum, but if not, we have the photos.

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On 04/08/2021 at 16:48, Dan12345 said:

Typical ebay optimism.

Ebay get another listing fee.

Seller could be correct about this "they should have gone back into the melting pot". It's not too late. 🙂

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