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Congrats on the pick-up, really pleased for you. Still really fed up that I missed all the carded ones from the Royal Mint earlier this year.

I'm the same, great thread. Since I started reading this, I have been trawling the web for Quarter Sovs.

The Maximum for the bullion Quarter and the Half for 2012 was 250,000 whilst the Sovereign was unlimited so the figures are basically the same for the bullion and the BU version. So it looks like for this year the Mint pulled a fast one😄. Still no closer to finding out what the 137 coins are, only other coins that are different are the carded ones, however on their packaging it states Bullion.

They would have needed a lot of boxes to get to that number😁. If the max number for half and the quarter bullion is 250,000, then it does look as if, for any 2012 Sovereign type, to be classed as a BU coin you just needed to add a box and papers like @JamesH has said.

I found the file for the 2012 BU Set, sorry for the quality, it's a scan of a scan, the figures for the Half Sovereign are interesting

I had a look and found this on the COA, now it is for the SOTD Sovereign, however should be the same as for the Quarter, it clearly states that the Quality is Brilliant Uncirculated, however the mintage figures show that it is unlimited even though the amount minted that day had a finite number, so I think that the 2012 Bullion and Brilliant Uncirculated where the same, I will look up the COA on the sets I have which should/might be the same, quarters where not issued in them however, so does not really answer the question BU Quarters..

I have six in total, three of each. Plus a few Proof Quarters. I think in 2012, they used the same bullion sovereigns for brilliant uncirculated, as the SOTD are basically the same as a standard Sovereign, however in 2013 you started to see a difference in Bullion and Brilliant Uncirculated. Not 100% with this so would need more research.

Thank you for all the help, I have decided to collect Crowns

Can see it happening opening one returned box and putting it into a post out box, To me to you. QC is really bad, the only Proofs I have bought have been the Great Engravers, and every coin has had issues.

I would buy your books first, as has already been mentioned, Marsh first, possibly Spink Coins of England, and just as a reference I use Coin year book for modern prices. There are other books however these are easily found. It is good to teach yourself grades in hand so I would look to get Three of each NGC/PCGS, an AU grade plus a MS 61 and a MS 64. NGC I think are more technical whereas PCGS is more about the coin in hand and appearance (I prefer PCGS, but use both). This will give you a base line for grading, newer collectors can buy a coin thinking it is Uncirculated however comes up as only Fine. This is for any coin that you are thinking of collecting,(gold can be harder to judge sometimes as it's a softer metal). This is just my opinion, as the more knowledge the less heartache. My list, 2012 2017 both 2022 2023 George III/IV, William V--- with more knowledge 1902, 1911, 1937 Proof

My 5 and 2 are being dispatched, and my other 2 oz has been returned, my luck I will get the returned 2oz back with the 5 oz🤪🤪

Mine had the same, I think the break is so the coin can be removed from the collar due to the raised letters. The solid collar would mean the edge would jam and could not be removed. The original 1818 to 1820 had more sections which you can see, and are similar to the one on the 2024 between the cinquefoil, and the letter D.

Mine went back yesterday for scratches, it is unreal the amount of coins that are sent out, that are below Proof standard, you end up dreading opening the box ,which is the opposite of what you want. You can see the spots also starting in the field with yours, that should never have got past QC. We should be showing the QC number to see if it's the same one (must admit couldn't tell which one I had).

They have done something similar which looks great, I think mintage was around the 1800, owned one for a while and sold it. https://atkinsonsbullion.com/silver/silver-coins/other-silver-coins/pre-owned-1815-uk-royal-mint-pistrucci-waterloo-medal-250g-silver https://agaunews.com/benedetto-pistruccis-magnificent-waterloo-medal-finally-struck-200-years-after-the-battle/

No it can't be, there is not enough scratches.

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I don't even think they would offer the 10 oz as those are all allocated at the moment. The 10 oz isn't really suited to the inscription, even the petition 10 oz looks better albeit similar floating in the middle. If it is the edge inscription, that's the problem, they could possibly do a 5 oz plain edge, defeats the object of a Great Engraver remake, however you would least have the G&D design on a 5 oz Planchet.

If they can't do the 5oz, I suppose I would be willing to take an upgrade to the 10 oz , wouldn't be happy but I'm sure I could make it work.😁

Hope so, just looked at a 5 oz I have on hand, and it does look comparable.

Just found this image This looks more like a kilo rather than the 5 or 10 oz coins, not sure if this has been mentioned before, however this is first time I have seen the image.

I am the same the 5 oz is holding back the 2 oz, I had a 2oz come through separately, the Reverse was stunning absolutely perfect, the edge lettering fully frosted, turned it over to the obverse, completely scratched up counted at least seven different marks all visible to the naked eye, will be sending it back at the end off the week.

The set I had is gone, no pictures unfortunately, to be fair you had to really look to see the file marks, really close match to the frosted finish. You can see it on the coins on auction sites if they have really good pictures.

That's okay, the Royal mint got around the Petition Crown by filing down the excess metal, one of the sets I had showed the marks where they had done this. I think that they will still get the PF70 as the coin left the mint like this, not 100% sure however think it will be classed as part of the minting process.

Think it is called finning, it is caused by to much pressure on the surface of the coin. If you have it around all of the coin then the die to planchet distance is correct, and the extra pressure during minting, forces the metal between the die and collar, in an even pattern around the full circumference. Uneven finning is where the die has not being set level/even meaning the distance of the dies on one side was set to close to the planchet which caused uneven pressure during minting, causing finning on one edge of the planchet. The opposite effect is that the coin has been struck with a weak strike, where the metal has not flowed into the high points.

I just got confirmation for my 2 oz. Nothing so far for the 5 oz order. For me the stress is the returns procedure and the QC gamble every time you get something from the Royal Mint, definition of insanity. On a different note, my wife just bought home £9.50 of 50 p's , I asked if there where any good ones, she said "no only ones with the woman on a camel".