RMS Douro Shipwreck Sovereign

[Seasider]

The next Coin Cabinet auction has a Douro Treasure 1864 Sovereign (lot 106).  It will be interesting to see how its price compares to the other 1864s in the same sale.

[dicker]

One to watch....my guess is it will go for about 420

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Dicker

[Brian01]

I wonder if collecting ‘Pedigree’ coins provides an alternative to simply collecting say years, shields, young head sovereigns etc?

I’ve just acquired a 1915-S Australia sovereign NGC MS63 Pedigree ‘Samaszko’s Carson City Gold Hoard’ and an 1870-SY Australia Sovereign PCGS MS62+ Pedigree ‘The Duoro Cargo’ which forms a basis for a ‘Pedigree’ Collection. Others I am looking for include Louis E. Eliasberg, Pittman, Terner, Cheshire, Reserve Bank of Australia, Remick, Rive D’or, Quartermaster, Ezen, Bentley, Borg, Samaszko Carson Ciry etc. to name but a few.

I understand that the advice is to buy the coin but surely a ‘Pedigree’ helps to provide a further interest? The RMS Duoro sank on 1st April 1882 following a collision with a Spanish Steamer ‘The Yrurac Bat’ off Cape Finisterre on the 1st April 1882 and the records of the collision and salvage provide compelling reading.

Any thoughts?

Bryan 

[Allgoldcoins]

Here is some more information on the RMS Douro and its cargo of gold coins.

https://www.allgoldcoins.co.uk/pages/31-the-sovereigns-of-the-rms-douro

 

Edited June 11, 2021 by Allgoldcoins

[Jimmmy]

I've recently purchased a coin which is ex 'douro cargo'. It came with a basic card COA with the lot number from the auction. I hope to get it graded with NCG but am conscious that this card may not be enough evidence to attach 'douro' pedigree. Does anyone a copy of the auction catalogue and willing to send me a photo of the page with my lot no.? If I could verify the coin matched the lot, I thing that would help a lot. TIA 

[dicker]

Hi

I have a few of these, purchased graded.  A very large number were sold at auction and to dealers with no real attribution. I don’t know how hard it is to prove attribution but just be sensible in terms of your expectations.  Best of luck to you.

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Dicker

[GoldDiggerDave]

Got 2 of these I'm grading in my next submission.  I like them both have tiny amounts of sand still on the coins and will keep them this way not getting them conserved. 

[dicker]

11 minutes ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

Got 2 of these I'm grading in my next submission.  I like them both have tiny amounts of sand still on the coins and will keep them this way not getting them conserved. 

Let me know how it goes.  

[Jimmmy]

2 hours ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

Got 2 of these I'm grading in my next submission.  I like them both have tiny amounts of sand still on the coins and will keep them this way not getting them conserved. 

Lucky you 😁.Have you a COA to authenticate them as shipwreck? 

[GoldDiggerDave]

@Jimmmy Yes have the Royal Mint COA and the auction paperwork. 

[LawrenceChard]

On 19/07/2020 at 12:43, Seasider said:

The next Coin Cabinet auction has a Douro Treasure 1864 Sovereign (lot 106).  It will be interesting to see how its price compares to the other 1864s in the same sale.

Douro sovereigns always go down well!

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[dicker]

Just now, LawrenceChard said:

Douro sovereigns always go down well!

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@LawrenceChard Out of interest, did you buy any of the bulk lots of Douro sovereigns when they were sold?  I know just went to dealers and we’re just sold as Sovs losing their provenance. 

[GoldDiggerDave]

It was reported unmarked gold bullion bars were also found on the wreck. Someone smuggling gold out of South America? We it would not be the first time. 

 

Edited March 27, 2022 by GoldDiggerDave

[dicker]

@GoldDiggerDave I didn’t know that!

I believe there is a census of the Sovereigns found (I have seen reference to this) but have not been able to find this.  If anyone has a copy of knows where I could get one, I would be most grateful!

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Dicker

[GoldDiggerDave]

@dicker I’ve got loads of information saved about the RMS Douro.  I’ll dig it out and send you it. I’ve even got the PDF copies of the enquiry. 

[dicker]

Just now, GoldDiggerDave said:

@dicker I’ve got loads of information saved about the RMS Douro.  I’ll dig it out and send you it. I’ve even got the PDF copies of the enquiry. 

Wow I would be very very grateful!  Thank you!

[LawrenceChard]

1 hour ago, dicker said:

@LawrenceChard Out of interest, did you buy any of the bulk lots of Douro sovereigns when they were sold?  I know just went to dealers and we’re just sold as Sovs losing their provenance. 

No. I don't think we were ever approached or offered any, and we did not go chasing them.

Personally, I don't think it makes a coin any better just because it was recovered from a shipwreck, although provenance does count for something.

[GoldDiggerDave]

Some of you might have seen these for sale the RM made 500 of these  RMS Douro sets up  nothing too rare, would have liked a 1863 827.  

Serif missing on the die number 1 on the 1871.   

They still look well for being under the sea for 114 years

 

[GoldDiggerDave]

RMS DOURO.pdf

This is the inquiry into the stinking of the RMS Douro for those interested.