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Silverstorm, I really think the tub i had in the safe helped but from what i hear about milk spots is that if its going to milk spot you cant stop it, just delay it.

I think coins that are prone to milk spotting then storage really helps. 

I tend to think that you will be OK with your maples no matter how you store as it looks like what they did at the mint has sorted it or at the very least really helped the problem.

Funny what you say about keeping milk spotted coins away from the good. In that display case they were all in capsules. Maybe milk spots is to silver what covid is to humans lol.

I will put the rest of my coins in little home made masks. lol. Maybe sell masks for silver coins on here, think some would try anything to stop the dreaded milk spotting.

On 07/06/2021 at 04:48, SilverStorm said:

Slightly off-topic, but do any of you have 2018 and newer Canadian 1oz silver maple leafs?   They are supposedly free of milk spots (or greatly reduced) as they have MintShield built into them.   My small SML collection are all 2021, so it's too early for me to say it works.    I'm surprised that the Royal Mint doesn't implement similar technology to reduce milk spots on their Britannia's.    

Link: MINTSHIELD™ Surface Protection

 

Silvestorm, I have just checked 5 tubes of 2019 maples and a quick look which still to 20 mins i could see no sign of any milk spots. Is the first time ive opened them since buying and was really happy with them.

When i started this thread it was about 2 brits (2019) that had milk spotted. These coins were not in my main stack in the safe but were in a display case.

I had 10 coins in it, 2 from each year from 2017. I put the coins in the case 2 months ago and there was no milk spots on the coins at the time. I put one of those little silica bags in the case at the same time in case of moisture.

I have noticed that some of the other brits from other years in the case have what i think are tiny milk spots starting. Now as i said i checked all the maples i had in the safe and also 3 tubes of 2019 brits and none have milk spotted.

So not too sure what has gone on with the brits and the milk spotting but i think you can relax about your maples.

In the safe where all the good coins were kept i put a large moisture absorber tub which you can buy for caravans to keep damp at bay. Ive put a photo of it here. Make up your own mind if it has stopped any of the other coins from milk spotting but look at how much water it has taken out of the air. Thats about half inch of water in there and was in the safe for 3 months in a heated room.

10 minutes ago, SilverStorm said:

Slightly off-topic, but do any of you have 2018 and newer Canadian 1oz silver maple leafs?   They are supposedly free of milk spots (or greatly reduced) as they have MintShield built into them.   My small SML collection are all 2021, so it's too early for me to say it works.    I'm surprised that the Royal Mint doesn't implement similar technology to reduce milk spots on their Britannia's.    

Link: MINTSHIELD™ Surface Protection

 

I have just over 6 tubes of 2019 maples. 2 tubes i have listed and i had a quick check for milk spots before listing and i saw no sign of the dreaded milk spots.

If i get time later i will check the rest.

It did seem maples suffered badly before 2018 so lets hope they cracked it. Im a little nervous to check the rest of my stack lol.

7 hours ago, HawkHybrid said:

 

there is nothing wrong with cleaning your own coin.

however there is a problem with knowingly not declaring that the coin has been cleaned when you list it for sale.

for some buyers it makes a difference if the coin has been cleaned or not.

(I don't claim to understand it, just stating what is)

 

HH

I understand but it was just a simple Brit Bullion coin. Even buying new Brits from the mint is a gamble, you can get a nice one but just as easy could end up getting one scratched to hell.

8 hours ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

I've heard a pencil eraser works on milk spots.   I might try and clean one up for fun.  

I tried that first on another coin but took the high gloss shine off the coin, it ended up looking dull finish like in the ASE so i did again in polish and it put the shine back.

Not sure if you use a polishing cloth would work as good but try the way i did it with a really soft polishing pad on high speed with dremel.

I could sell the non milk spot brit for about £27, with the milk spots about £25.

If it went wrong and scratched the hell out of it i would still get £20 for the coin for melt so its not a £25 gamble but just a £5 gamble.

Thanks Liam.

I thought long and hard about posting this as was expecting much p1ss taking from the proof collecting members on here but was amazed how well it turned out.

I only stack bullion coins that i like and finding it covered in milk spots gutted me as im sure it has with other stackers so i ran the risk of ridicule by some other members on here.

Oh remember i said Auto Glym which is a liquid polish and NOT  Autosol which is a paste.

Have some 1oz silver brits in a display case and was gutted to find the 2019 brits x2 had milk spotted.

Now as they are only bullion coins i took the chance and used a rubber to get rid of the spots on one of the coins. Although it removed the milk spots i was not impressed as the coin lost some of the shine. 

I watched the video on you tube of Backyard Bullion doing this but he did it on some kangaroo's but they do not have the same really bright shine as the brits.

I really like the Brits because of the way they shine as you tilt them and this really took the shine away.

Coin collectors please stop reading now as this may upset you.

Well today as i was not happy with the coin so had nothing to lose i put some car polish (Auto Glym super resin polish) on the coin and used a small polishing disk on my dremel  then wiped off with my cotton glove.

The shine was back to what it was like before i used the rubber and could not see any sign of scratching. I put next to another coin that had never been out of the capsule before and i could not tell them apart by eye.

As i have 2 coins from each year in the box and the other 2019 had milk spots on the queens face side i though i would polish that one with the car polish without the rubber first to see if the polish removed the milk spots. 

The queens face on the brits is a really nice shine so was worried even tiny marks would be seen with the naked eye but again i had little to lose so polished with the dremel which quickly removed the milk spots.

Most coin collectors if they kept reading would be having a heart attack by now but i was really really amazed at the result.

Tilting the coin under a light i can see no sign of even a slight scratch and thats on the glossy part of the queens face.

By looking at an uncleaned one side by side i honestly can not tell which one i have cleaned.

I took a photo of before and after but is a poor camera on a cheap phone so is impossible to show just how well it came out.

On the photo after cleaning it looks like there is still a milk spot on the queens neck but that is just light glaring back when i took the photo.

Remember the photo's do not do it justice but if you have a cheap badly milk spotted coin around give it a go.

Also remember i did say i would only try this with a cheap bullion coin as i had nothing to lose.

I only posted this because even though they are cheap bullion coins i was gutted to find the milk spots and am sure others have felt the same.

I sold a watch about 12 years ago to a buyer in Saudi Arabia.

He paid by paypal and money was in my bank so posted the watch. Thought i was extra safe as they cut your hand off for stealing in Saudi.

About 2 weeks after posting the money was reclaimed as the paypal account holder said he had not authorised payment.

No money and no watch but i was comforted by the thought that one day his luck would run out and off with his hands.

Watch would be no good then as it would keep falling off lol.

It will be a sad sad day when ebay finally comes to an end.

Millions of scammers looking for new sites for their victims.

5 hours ago, SilverStorm said:

I had to look up the meaning of "car boot," as that is not something you say in daily English in Canada lol!   

We sometimes have to be careful with our words as it is easy to forget it is a worldwide forum which is why in my post i used the word cigarettes and not fags.

That would confuse our American friends.

Another tale about my brother is he was in America on holiday and he got into a friendly poker game in some bar. During the game he said he will be back in a minute and is popping out for a fag.

He realised what he had said by the shocked looks on their faces lol.

Years ago i was selling some stuff at a car boot and took a look at the stall next to me. He was selling a £5 coin in its presentation pack for £2.

Are you stupid i asked, you do know thats legal tender and can spend it in a shop.

He ripped open the packet and put it in his pocket and brought a pack of cigarettes the next day.

He was my brother so i should have brought it for £2 and wound him up for the rest of his life.

Another car boot we both had a stall i had one of those electric fly trap lights for sale for £2 and he said i would never sell that so i bet him £2 i would sell it.

I put the price down to 50p and the next person that came to my stall brought it so with the £2 from the bet i got £2.50. He was not happy lol.

16 minutes ago, Stacktastic said:

Buy and print it out at home they dont ask in my post office. You can get home collection although they did not turn up the one time I used it.
Lockdown though. I have sent stuff via Hermes also especially larger amounts of silver as its heavy. SD best though, especially for gold. 

I would only think about using Hermes for very large amounts of silver as with the weight they would struggle to throw onto the garage roof.

Many thanks for all your advice which i will follow.

I have  used SD many times but never for silver. Oh and they have always asked me what im sending and have always been honest but cant help feeling nervous.

Hello all,

i am thinking of selling some or all of my silver coins and would use royal mail SD.

When they ask what is being posted do i tell them it is silver coins?

I am worried that if they mark on it what is in the package and the value it could become a target for theft.

If and when i sell i will be posting tubes of 20 or 25 coins.

I want it to be fully insured so do not want to mess up and give them an excuse for not paying out if anything happens.

Never had problems with SD before but never posted silver bullion.

Thanks in advance and kind regards.

4 hours ago, Murph said:

A lot of people who fall for this sort of thing are older.  They have never been in trouble with any authorities, aren’t internet savvy and so aren’t aware of some of these scams.  They panic when they hear they owe the tax office money and the words legal action.

Given time to sit and think about it they may well cotton on but the scammers rely on it being a sudden shock and put time constraints into their scam just so people don’t have time to think.

 I often wonder how some people who have managed to accrue savings of hundreds of thousands of pounds are so gullible as to continue giving considerable sums of money to these scammers but then I remember half the population are of below average intelligence. 😀

2 months ago a friend of my brother who is mid 40s was scammed by the classic bank call that he needs to move his money to another account.

When my brother started the story i kept saying please dont tell me he fell for that. Laughing my brother said yes he did.

I had a go at my brother for laughing because no matter how stupid it was it was not funny and there was some scumbag now spending his cash.

47 minutes ago, InvestInCoins888 said:

Chinese market places are full of these listings. They are designed to be purchased and used to con people out of their hard earned money. Ebay is awash with these, 99% been passed of as ‘genuine’. It’s well worth keeping upto date with sites like ‘Wish’ and ‘Ali B’s’, information is power...

 

Yes i totally agree.

Scammers use these sites to buy silver plated bars and then sell on ebay as the real thing. That is the danger of these sites and if they sell on ebay as 999 silver that is a scam that will fool many people and chances are would fool me too. That is unless they put in big writing this is silver plated in the listing.

40 minutes ago, tallthinkev said:

Is that not a bit harsh? I my way of thinking, yes it is.

The OP mentioned they were new to silver and asked some questions, there is nothing wrong with that, it's half the reason why this forum exists. Will have all made mistakes, and will make more. Your comments make little sense, we are here to learn. I know more about precious metals than 99% of the public, yet only 10% of the other members here. Would you berate a toddler who is just learning to walk with the same type of language as you have used to a fellow forum member?

If so, this forum may not be the place for you.

Anyway it has nothing to do with silver. It could have been about anything brought on the internet.

People buy an empty PS5 box on ebay for £300+ that is listed as an empty box. Ok clearly listed to try and fool people who will just look at a photo.

Then there are people who see a listing for a phone charger for £4.99 with the picture showing a photo of a £1000 phone the lead is for then complain the phone was missing.

I have been looking for a coin display box and many of the listings show coins in the box. Do i expect to get a gold coin for £10? 

No i would not berate a toddler who is learning to walk but i would sure as hell shout some nasty language at my 31 year old son if i caught him pouring a boiling kettle of water over his head and stabbing himself in the eye with a steak knife.

Yes it may have been a harsh but come on, it clearly said silver plated and even after he received the bars he still did not go back and read what he had brought.

They were copies that were sold as copies. would you still be defending if he brought one of the gold bars for $50?

On the plus side for the OP, he did not get charged VAT.

If you brought a fake rolex for £20 would you think you have been scammed because it looks like a rolex?

You did not buy a fake, you brought a copy.

Few people will buy them to brag to mates but most who would buy these would do so to sell on as real 1 oz bars.

I would not put this down to a mistake by someone who is new to silver. You knew it was way cheaper than it should have been, did no research and still paid a few hundred pounds. The mistake is down to being an idiot.

Every week you hear stories of people being scammed to move their cash from their account to another account and even told to withdraw cash and buy vouchers and pass on the numbers to the people on the other end of the phone which this last year has been the so called tax office. 

Im sorry if i sound hard but ive had enough of these stupid stories. Its about time people took responsibility for their own stupid actions.

If you cant be bothered to even read a simple advert before spending that sort of money then you should not have a debit card.

Please tell me you are not employed in any of the emergency services?

Not sure whats happened here as just finished work after getting up this morning at 4.30am and im shattered.

To clear things up i meant it was a disgusting listing by someone clearly out to take advantage of some poor soul.

I have nothing to do with the listing and would never sink that low.

7 minutes ago, ChrisSilver said:

Is this your listing @graham200666?

NO

What a cracking deal this is,

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/INVEST-FOR-YOUR-FUTURE-20-X-Britannia-2020-1-oz-REAL-SILVER-Presentation-BOX/164671116183?hash=item265729d397:g:cnAAAOSwxmZgEalE

I just brought one of these empty display cases for £29 .

He buys the same case, adds 20 bullion coins and put that price on it. Im shocked.

3 minutes ago, Bars said:

Tbf since we left the EU the prices have shot up on the forum, as a lot of forum members bought from abroad. Its a shame you just became a member as there were some excellent deals pre JAN. I got some philarmonics at £22.40 when spot was £20. Keeping looking youll find some good deals. There is also Arshimo too who has the best deals on the forum.

Trust me im not knocking the forum the best deals around are to be found here.

What i was knocking is new members expecting to get here what they do on ebay but with no risk as its bank transfer.

No i did not buy on here at those prices and the seller brought down his price.

I have been a member here for 2 years but only a paid member from last week and have watched prices here and anything under £25 an oz is gone in seconds and i cant type fast enough to take advantage.

I did become a paid member as i was thinking of selling my silver but it has kind of not worked out  that way as i have brought another 75 ozs.

I brought most of my silver in 2019 throught silver to go so yes i paid a lot less and im not knocking what it goes for today.

If i did end up selling i would never expect to get ebay prices by selling here as there is no fee and no risk.

4 minutes ago, Bars said:

nearly £29 an oz, very pricey. Unless people are selling single coins, there are better deals to be had in our forum (when people sell tubes). Better than other bullion dealers though I guess

Yes i just thought it was a good deal from a UK dealer with vat. I looked at other dealers and hardly any had stock and most that did were asking £40 plus.

In regards to people selling on here i have just become a paid member to get to see items for sale and there has been a few cases of people asking for £30 an oz on tubes of 25. To be fair they lowered the price.

£30 or close to it seems what they go for on ebay for a simple bullion coin and i think people see that price and list at that price here sometimes.

Little thought goes in to why they go for £30 on ebay,  Fees take up 20% so the seller will be lucky to get £25. Then there is the risk of items going missing and people just making out they did not receive. Most cases if the buyer claims to not received the seller is out his money and coin.

So yes there  is great benefit for the seller on her but kind of makes me mad when they list a tube of brits for £30 an oz and ask for postage too. They cut their costs and greatly reduce their risk by selling here and still want ebay prices.