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**Petra** · 2024-04-28T17:46:27Z

I wouldn’t go anywhere near this lot.

Having read the blurb on their website, it’s clear to me that they are not PM people.

Talk of being “luxury assets experts” etc doesn’t work for me.

Plus take a look at their company accounts…..while selling for the below type of money.

**BipolarStacker** · 2024-04-27T15:59:05Z

9 minutes ago, BipolarStacker said:

So just out of curiosity do you think the last sov I bought is poor quality and just a question but why does it matter if I’m stacking for weight and later in my life I will be weighing them in to be melted down

cheers for the reply 👌🤝

Hi - I don’t know what you bought, just sharing that it will be a little easier to liquidate coins that are in decent condition.

All the best to you

**Aldebaran** · 2024-04-27T12:53:39Z

Stacking for weight I get.

If you are buying the cheapest Sovs at what Chards label “Grade C” - polished, from jewellery etc you may them harder to shift when you come to sell.

Personally I don’t buy poor quality Sovs* l and I think other folk are similar.

Best

Dicker

* Apart from half Sovs from M and S mints which are hard to find.

**BipolarStacker** · 2024-04-27T11:44:35Z

My personal advice is never to have a safe delivered to the location you are going to be using it…..for the obvious reason that someone then knows you are storing something valuable.

I don’t keep PM’s at home I use SD boxes. It’s all very well having a safe but if a couple of fellas turn up with saw offs - you will open it up.

Just my thoughts

Dicker

**pricha** · Wednesday at 16:28

I wouldn’t clean but if you have an air gun that might shift it if it is just a flake of something.

**Sovhead** · April 21

6 hours ago, Sovhead said:

I read the other day about another sovereign with a no.1 struck on the neck next to WW went to try and find it again to memorise the date and couldn’t find it.

1864. I haven’t seen one or know anyone who has definitely seen an example.

**9x883** · April 19

There she blows!

Bigcheesy123 · April 18

36 minutes ago, Bigcheesy123 said:

My worry is starting because the stack is growing 💪🏻💪🏻 I bought all my coins of companies recommended on here and don’t deal with p2p purchases.

“I would not buy a sigma as I would rather spend the money on more gold.” This is were I’m at too it’s a right penny gone when more gold could be bought.

i do weigh my items as well and have scales, I watched the water method on YouTube but I’m yet to learn it.

thanks for your message about the fakes I had no idea that that’s how many of the coins are faked.

Whilst you can buy gadgets, do water tests, ping tests etc I would strongly advise that the first and most important test is via the Mk1 Eyeball. Loupe, Microscope etc against reference coins and use a load of learning that you accumulate.

Good dealers like ATS won’t screw their reputation by selling you some counterfeit tat from a Turkish melt house, but it’s always worth checking without being paranoid about fakes from main dealers

You say you don’t buy P2P - you might want to just have a look at TSF vs dealers. There are some v good dealers but equally I know several people here who have bought counterfeits from dealers you would think you might be able to trust.

Bigcheesy123 · April 18

ATS should not be a problem - I have had no problem with them.

That said, I check carefully whatever I buy.

**Foster88** · April 18

This question gets asked a lot.

The hallmark of the forum is a kindness and politeness where people ask a question forum members respond with help rather than sarcastic and unhelpful comments.

I for one am always happy to answer this question and others!

April 18

Both are great. Sovs slightly more liquid as they are cheaper!

I would be going for Gillick Sovs or any Brits.

**9x883** · April 16

31 minutes ago, Paul said:

Just having an after work pint in the club, racing channel is on

Horse running 19.30 at Newcastle called ' going to the moon ' 22/1

if anyone's got a few pennies in their betting account

lol. Dont.

**9x883** · April 16

5 minutes ago, James32 said:

£1925 wooooooooooohoooooooooooo

Too many letters. Reported for abuse of letters and spelling.

**kimchi** · April 15

4 minutes ago, Bratnia said:

Don't get it?

If you know, you know.

**AuricGoldfinger** · April 15

5 minutes ago, Bratnia said:

https://www.portfoliovisualizer.com/backtest-asset-class-allocation?s=y&sl=7CWLsLH6XBfchAuw5rqYHr

The likes of a 4% SWR is a common choice of guideline withdrawal rate during retirement, start by drawing 4% of the total portfolio value, and then increase that amount by inflation as the amount drawn in subsequent years. Where 4% was the historic worst case that ended 30 years (age 65 to 95) with nothing remaining. More often (much) better, leaving a comparable amount as the inflation adjusted start date portfolio value or more.

Viewed as 50/50 stock/gold and typically in a bad decade for one the other did well, drawing 8% from one half, 0% from the other ... tended to work out OK. Or simplified further, just take each years SWR from whichever of the two is the most up at that time. Yearly best out of stock or gold compounded together provided a historic return of something like 17% annualised, 13% real (after inflation), the compounded yearly worst asset - lost money. In effect having one half invested in a 'asset' (best of the two) that yields a 17% annualised is ... good enough.

Over the 1970's mostly gold provided the gains, across 1980 and 1990's it was stocks, 2000's and it was gold again, 2010's were stocks again ...etc. a tendency for alternations. Where 50/50 of both stocks and gold does ... OK.

The above chart is for US data (stock total returns, US inflation etc.), I don't know of a UK equivalent site, but when applied to the UK was generally similar.

Will 2020's end with gold or stocks having been the 'winner' ??? Can't really predict that so the next best is to 50/50 both, be neither fully right nor fully wrong. I'd guess maybe gold, but don't care to go all-in on such a bet.

Another factor that tends to be over-looked is that at times of stress, high dividends and/or cash interest rates, so also do taxes tend to rise. Gold broadly offsets inflation via price appreciation, bonds do so via interest payments, as interest is a regular/consistent flow so that has tended to be more highly taxed than price appreciation (where you can defer selling until gains are being less punitively taxed).

Noteworthy is that over enough time (decades) the tendency is for 50/50 total returns to more align with whichever is the top line of stocks or gold, less a case of running midway between the two. Another factor is that rebalancing is a form of trading, where the tendency is to add-low/reduce-high. 1980 to 1999 whilst the price of gold was poor, rebalancing had you end 1999 with something like 7 times more ounces of gold than was being held at the start. In the 2000's that swung around, ounces of gold were reduced to buy more relatively cheaper stock shares.

Welcome back Wonger

**stefffana** · April 14

6 minutes ago, Thelonerangershorse said:

Surely Iran's attack was already factored into the price of gold, I mean, we all knew it was coming.

There is an excellent and very significant podcast series called “When diplomacy fails”.

The problem is the unexpected, the unpredictable.

**Gruff** · April 14

All of the usual nations who use the premise of worshipping different sky fairies as a reason for war are ready for a big one.

I don’t relish it but gold is likely to be a beneficiary

**stefffana** · April 14

I cant predict short term prices but I can pretty much be sure of increased volatility this week.

April 13

My guess here is that it was a screw up on the hub. I have a map of this error across Sovs It is not consistent across years interestingly….

Similarly there are a a sub set M Halves that have a very similar issue - which have L cousins with the same problem. Again my guess is hub being the origination for this problem.

April 13

1 hour ago, Sovhead said:

👍🏻 a no.1 backwards

This is common. It is a broken denticle and if you take a look back to the very first Victoria Proofs you will find the same issue.

Some nut jobs on eBay claim it’s a backwards 1. It’s not.

**James32** · April 12

Savour this day - been a long time coming.

**9x883** · April 12

22 minutes ago, Chronos said:

Their shorts are getting burned.

I’m betting that there are various HF’s and banks that have taken really serious hits on their shorts.

**stefffana** · April 12

1945

Gentlemen, I put it to you that there is only one explanation for this price rise.

Voodoo, Blackmagic, Juju.

**Gruff** · April 12

Could it be a bank failure that gold has sniffed out?

**AndrewSL76** · April 12

If you rock up with 200 Sovs my betting is you will get Spot.

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