ExpatBrian

21 minutes ago, MancunianStacker said:

Surely, I’m Platinum this year 😂 Have people been contacted and offered one already do you know or do they call Platinum members on release day?

They have all been allocated so the members will likely already know what they are getting. 

The mintage for the 2oz gold plain edge is 125. However, there is zero chance of purchasing it on Monday. It has already been allocated to those in Mint Marque who have platinum plus status. There is none made available to the general public.

1 hour ago, goldhunter said:

June 16 a raw una and the lion gold 2oz sold for £39700 @ warwick and warwick Auctioneers

 

Do you have the link for that? Can’t seem to find it 🤔

15 minutes ago, Paul said:

Hammer Price £15,800 yesterday for the 2oz gold at Coins of Realm auction

After flurry of high prices from first flippers to market, hammer prices are keep going lower

A couple of graded 2oz gold in todays Coin Cabinet sale - see what they sell for 

These don't seem to have the attraction of the 1st in series Una & Lion

 

With over 1000 Three Graces graded at 70, this coin still has a lot of flipping power left in it. 
It is only now they are coming back from grading so I suspect even more to flood the market. I noticed that on eBay this morning.

5 minutes ago, Chrisplym said:

Gold 2oz proof hasn’t been released yet either. I was originally told the end of June, but haven’t heard anything since.

Hey Chris, 
My account manager confirmed that there will be no 2oz gold proof sold to the general public. She tends to be bang on about stuff like this. I asked previously if she can secure one for me but confirmed they have already been sold 😞 

4 minutes ago, GoldDiggerDave said:

Why you got one coming?................. I'll speculate £650-£850  if the mintage is 100.

I'd love to get hands on the 2oz gold but don't think I'm special enough to be allowed to buy one.  

The 2oz gold is all sold out. I’m not sure if they went to trade or Mint Marque members at the Royal Mint. None have popped up on the secondary market either. It will be a sweet coin to add to any collection!

28 minutes ago, westminstrel said:

What is extended range?  This is some new marketing schtick isn’t it!? 

The extended range is the larger gold denominations, i.e. 2oz, 5oz, 10oz, etc. 

That isn't available for purchase yet, coming soon!

4 minutes ago, NewCoins said:

Gold...

 

Thanks!

Mintage seems a bit high on the 2oz gold in comparison to previous releases.

29 minutes ago, Fivepoundfred said:

I wonder what the going price will be for the 10 kilo gold ? and who will buy it ? presuming it will be for sale ?

It has already been sold, prior to the launch this morning. My guess is that it has gone to a private collector. It is rumoured to have sold for £700k+

Is anyone else surprised that the 2oz Una sold for £62,000 (with premium + vat)?  I was expecting/hoping it would hit £80k, to match the Una hammer price on that Far East auction that for the life of me I cannot find online... 

The Three Graces gold 5oz and 2oz are coming out of the block strong!

30 minutes ago, Paul said:

thanks @sovtsf  never realised that, never dealt with them before 

looking at sovereign rarities looks like things are starting to pick up with bids, see the Una & Lion 2oz gold is at £44k already

Gonna be an interesting next five days as both auctions ends 

I had originally thought the 2oz Una would crack the £100k mark (or come very close, £85+). There’s still time, but a huge gap to cover!

3 minutes ago, Paul said:

https://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/972545/Great-Britain-2019-Silver-194-163-1000-1000-Pounds-Una-and-the-Lion-2-Kilo-First-Releases-NGC-Proof-70-UC-7-with-Numbered-Certificate-of-Authenticity-Original-Government-Packaging-ASW-6424-Oz2-Kilos

2kg PF70 Una & Lion up for auction in Trumpland ending on Sunday 18/04

Bidding at $40,000 ! {eek !!}

Mintage of just 40 - first one spotted in secondary market i believe 

 

It’s a beautiful coin but you gotta have some very deep pockets for it. 
After the Three Graces spending spree, all I have left in my pocket is an old Snickers wrapper and a bit of lint.

2 hours ago, AndrewSL76 said:

If I submitted a coin newly minted (received direct from the Royal Mint) and it graded as a PF/PR67 I would of course be disappointed, but I would also treat it as a learning point in my grading experience - the adage 'fail better' springs to mind. 

This may have happened to me a few years ago, but I doubt it would happen now. I have graded enough coins (and failed enough!) to have a very rough idea of whether or not conservation or restoration is necessary. I like to think that I do fail better these days!

I have also held a few 2oz Graces and Unas and you can see the ones that will get a 69/70 and those that won't without conservation (or at all) as a few fingerprints and pesky dust particles are resolvable, but a few scratches are not.

In related new, I today made a big decision in respect of selling or grading a particular coin and have decided to sell it raw. Whilst I think it would grade well and with conservation would definitely get a 69, I am not convinced it could get a 70. So I decided against grading it. I am not sure I would have made that decision a few years ago. 

That is fantastic advice. The only way to learn is by trial and error. Yes, the errors may cost you financially (or quite a lot in my case), but you definitely live and learn.

if you come out of it with more knowledge or a better understanding of grading, you have gained something that is worth so much more than a few extra quid in the bank.

Do I dare ask what coin you are selling raw? 😁

12 minutes ago, Allgoldcoins said:

Yes but is it a coin or a brick? the 2kg is even worse, what next the 10kg ☹️

There is a 5kg gold floating around somewhere if you’re interested 😉

11 minutes ago, MancunianStacker said:

I know there was a 2kg Royal Mint Silver Una but I can’t find prices on the secondary market 🤔 

I’ll DM you 😉

11 minutes ago, MancunianStacker said:

Is Three Graces the first 1kg Great Engravers silver coin? Alderney did a 1kg Una but that’s not comparing apples with apples.

Yes  The 1kg Three Graces is the first denomination of this type in the series.

1 minute ago, MancunianStacker said:

I would have paid £8k for a 10oz last week then the 1kg launched so people are comparing weight and mintages in this space. 

You and me both buddy! To get that £8500 for a 10oz, I do think it now has to be graded.
 

58 minutes ago, AndrewSL76 said:

Still gutted about the 10oz....sad times. 

I think at £8500, the 10oz is overpriced. When it was first released, unbeknownst to many people, there was a lot of excitement. At that point, I do think a 10oz would have gone for £8500. However, over the last couple of weeks, the prices have softened for any raw Three Graces. 
The release of the 1kg silver by BCC would have also put further pressure on pricing for the 10oz. 
The starting price of £8500 at auction was just too high. Maybe a start point of around £7000 would have garnered more interest.

1 hour ago, MancunianStacker said:

Might leave it raw for now and maybe grade in a few months. 🤷‍♂️ 

How about you? 

I tend to have all my coins graded. I prefer the safety of the plastic coffin. Although it may take several months before a grade is returned.

Like you, I may wait a bit. I submitted a few coins to NGC nearly 3 weeks ago and they have yet to be registered on their system. I called them up and they are very busy... so my coins are sitting in their safe, waiting in the queue. 

31 minutes ago, MancunianStacker said:

I got the 1kg yesterday 🤩 was going to get a 10oz but picked up the lower mintage 1kg for a little more 👌 

With thanks to @ExpatBrian  😃 

Happy to point you in that direction 🙂

The big question: do you plan on having it graded or leaving it raw?

20 minutes ago, Paul said:

i dont have a link directly for it myself, it was mentioned on a facebook collectors group i read

One of the Mods of the group, was who mentioned it, who lives out there in far east so has knowledge or markets/auctions/dealers over there to

The guy is held in high regard on the FB group so no reason to not believe him  

The Sovereign Rarities sale will be a nice one to look forward to see what it sells for at the end of April, their estimate however doesn't seem so optimist  

PF70 Est £30,000-£40,000 

 

What I find with most auction houses is that the estimate means very little. With the bigger auction houses, I usually take the estimate, multiply it x2, and a bit more on top... and that is likely what the hammer price will be.

Heritage Auction estimates on coins are usually far lower than the actual final amount once the hammer strikes down.

My guesstimate for the 2oz gold Una is £95k.

2 hours ago, AndrewSL76 said:

There will no doubt be a new thread for the next in the series coin but I thought I would give a brief view here. I just have a feeling that it will be Wyon’s Britannia.

If this is true, will they change the name of the series to The Great Engraver?

3 hours ago, AndrewSL76 said:

For me the coins to own are the 2oz Silver and the 2oz Gold.

The 5oz gold is stunning. But it will be VERY difficult to complete the series in 5oz gold.

35 minutes ago, Paul said:

Same for the 2oz gold, £4k issue to £8k on Fleabay, to £12k fleabay, to £15k, to £18k fleabay, to £29k at auction, to £59k at auction to £80k at auction in Japan and none spotted for sale since under £80k

Do you have the link for the auction in Japan where it sold for £80k? I can’t find it anywhere...

Sovereign Rarities has a 2oz good Una PF70 coming up at auction in a couple of weeks. It’ll be VERY interesting to see what that sells at. AMAZING if it crosses the £100k mark. It is one to hold on tightly for years to come!!

18 minutes ago, MancunianStacker said:

Do you know the definite mintage number Brian? Thanks 🙏  

The mintage is 100.

Considering a 10oz 3G is selling for roughly £10k and has a higher mintage, the 1 kilo is a bargain in comparison.  LPM has exclusive rights to the 2kg and that is selling for about £28k (mintage of 50). I would have thought the start price on the 1 kilo from BCC would have been higher... I do think they are listing it at fair market value.

For those interested in the 1 kilo silver Three Graces, they have just been listed on the BCC website!

Who’s pulling the trigger?

https://britanniacoincompany.com/buy-coins/proof-sets/the-three-graces-1kg-silver/

8 minutes ago, Numis65 said:

Is there any news on when the I kilo silver will be issued and what the mintage will be ? Presumably it won't be available from the RM  ( at least it is not listed there) but from its Sovereign Rarities "branch " as we now think of it?

The RM has already sold out of the 1 kilo silver. The last batch is being sold by the Britannia Coin Company. There is no news on the release date but it will be at some point this month. There will also be a premium on the kilo so you should expect to pay (much) more than the RM price tag.