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Slight word omission there sorry, should have been collectors experience, it's not just NGC, any third party grader. What I was really meaning to say is that if someone new to the field starts buying top pops, and once starts to gain more experience in coins, finds out they possibly could have gained more bang for their buck through Raw coins as it where, Numismatics should be a good pass time without buyers remorse , Fully agree however Caveat Emptor.

totally agree with you that a high grade would (and should) command a better price , however there were over 2 million minted for this year, NGC have graded 115 so with 6 graded as 66 that makes a total of 5% of the total submitted getting the top grade that NGC have given out. I just feel that it is unfair that someone has paid more for the plastic than the coin. Gillick sovereigns are really beautiful coins and can be found raw in pristine condition, NGC can ruin a collector's experience as they look at the grade and not what is in the holder.

Only just seen the CoR auction looking at lot 98 and Lot 99,can't believe the difference, price of plastic must be on the rise.

I used to keep mine well wrapped up and hidden in a piano, however I will be damned if I can remember where I put it. You could buy self seal flips which you can have three on top off each other in the trays for storage. The capsules are the best. I think you need 22.5 mm so they cannot move around to much. The box above looks really good.

Hi @StackemHigh ,I have some platinum 1/4 that you might like, if you want them. Never sold anything on the the forum however if it's something you would be happy with I can work on a price.

Congrats with the purchase, looks like another coin on my secondary market list. RM has sold out.

Would love to be able to cut this along both axis to see what the actual make up is, I would not do this to any coin of any value, and this in itself is probably valuable to a error collector, however it is more bullion than numismatic,so most like a melt coin anyway(if not a plated copy) There is probably a few of these given the flaw runs across the whole surface. I would have thought a plated ,however Sigma testing found it to be pure, so to me it is more than likely a de-lam albeit a very severe one. @MintageSellerthis looks similar if not as extreme, and is a de-lam

There is a possibility that it is a de-lamination ,where the bar used to make the original Planchet, had foreign matter within it. When this is then rolled to make the silver sheet for the rounds, the foreign matter is elongated with the pressure of the rollers, so will form a strip or voids across the planchets. Once the dies strike the blanks the gases trapped in the dross , blows out the debris through the thin silver layer. Or it could be a Chinese Friday afternoon special.

Yea looks like they have had a new fence since the google car last went past, looks better than the old wire one..😆😁

Both NGC and PCGS and to an extent ANACS(if you google the last, there are quite a few discussions about them) , never really mentioned anything with regards to white spots at the start, and it has only been the last few years that their views have changed. Originally from what I can remember they had no mention of what happens to coins in which the milk spot became detrimental to a coins value and grade, so due to omission would have likely been covered by their guarantee, this would have been my understanding, however now, https://www.ngccoin.uk/submit/coins-we-grade/white-spots/ https://www.pcgs.com/silver-coins-spot-policy Both companies have now said that any of their coins, that have been graded prior to spotting appearing will not be guaranteed the grade stated, and that milk spotting visible on coins to be graded will be taken into account. So in reality if you pick up a MS69/PF69 with milk spots, is it a 69 due to the milk spots being visible at grading or is now a 66/67 because it has developed spotting after encapsulation. Either way NGC and PCGS take your money and will guarantee nothing with regards to the coin. Having said that you could always keep looking for an unmarked PF70 version, at least if anything does appear, that will be the only problem with the coin, whereas an ungraded coin could have other issues. I always use Silica Desiccant in my storage boxes,as it helps with humidity, which some have linked to milk spotting, although not proven.

Nor I, however with this, there is additional metal to the edge, which could be examined to see if the is any colour change with minimal markings/damage to the actual bar, I don't think you would have to file bits off to see the change. with these most will pass the magnet test, and to have it tested would probably cost more than the bar itself. A specific gravity test would be the best, however personally the bar looks good.

Just my own opinion, however I would say it is ok, and has just been struck slightly of centre ,which has distorted the blank. Can't say 100% however the reverse looks right for these, and also the Crown ,and lettering. You could file down the top of the sharp edge to see if there is a colour change which would not really damage the bar

I think the first is possibly a Short Cross from the Plantagenet Kings from Henry II 1154 to John 1216,might even favour John, however I think more research would be needed to say for certain.

I could be wrong, so more research would be needed ,however to get the look and smoothness, the pure gold shot would need to be vacuum casted, I think this can be done through induction, however probably you could use some enclosed furnace. This should leave your bar with the smooth cushion look. The exact amount is put into the mold/molds melted and then left to cool before being removed.

I would say you should be able to get this, for around £20 if not less. Grade wise looks to be about fine, would not be much better than this, Colour wise looks good. It has the semee of hearts around the horse in the Hanoverian arms,(the shield on the left with T . H above it). With these, and the Shilling, you can get them with Hearts and without hearts. These are struck "en medaille" with both side showing the same way. The 1787 shilling can also be found with no stop at the various points around the coin, nothing much to do with this Sixpence ,however you will probably want both if you get one 😊. Now if you can find a 1798 Shilling with no stop, it is a 'Dorrien and Magens' shilling worth thousands, but be careful as there are a lot of fakes of these. A good coin maybe to get a feel for them to start with, however you should be able to get a really good example, for not much more,(in some Auctions you can find them within one lot coins) ,as these were really well struck, only real thing to watch out for is coins that have been over cleaned. On most of the 1798 fakes the fish tails are the give away, that is the way the metal has not been able to flow correctly into lettering similar to the III and some of the lettering on your Sixpence above, there are only a few known 1798 so more than likely none are real. Hope this all helps and good luck if you decide to get it.

@LawrenceChardJust out of curiosity, are the two coins shown from the same Batch/Box?

Can remember before professional grading came along, What grade do you think that Crown is ," I dunno are you buying it, or selling it" I have used CGS or LCGS now (the older slabs where CGS,and better quality material) ,and have had a few crossed over, to sell through HA in America. I think a few where marked down with two marked as cleaned, most crossed over as exact grades ie CGS 80 to NGC MS63. I always think if I want to keep a coin for my own collection will look for a PCGS, however to sell on more than likely look to buy NGC, however that's just my preference. One thing I think is that American graders can be Harsh on UK numismatic coinage.

White gold can be plated with a layer of Rhodium. Some firms use a layer over their 9ct and 18ct jewellery as a cost effective way to finish it. It's still all gold, just not as hand made. However having said that might not be the best idea to buy a hallmarked gold ring from the website Alibaba.

I would try your local Auction house, you can see what they have over the next few Auctions, and if needs be your local jeweller should be able to get it re-plated to look like new. Most new rings are plated anyway. If not you could go to somewhere like Cooksongold, they sell findings and supplies, however also sell wedding bands. (unsure if they are Hallmarked) I have not used them, however know a few friends that have with no complaints.

Aye lad there could be a possibility I am closer to a Bus Pass than you, It was the time when Disco was all the rage, and the only thing on-line was my washing.😄😄. Not a bad price for a 2015.

I would agree with @SilverMike,with Die polishing the lines are pronounced and stand out from the surface, more visible under magnification. Due to how the devices are incuse on the Die, when they are prepared, These will usually stop dead at the edge of the image ,in this instance around the Kings head Lettering , and St George. Marks that are not from Die prep will form a halo around the image/Device where no scratches are present, or at least less scratches occur. There is a possibility of this around the horses head, under Georges arm, and around his hairline, however this would be going just by my own experience. It is a lovely looking coin, and for it age would be more dubious, if it did not have any marks on it. I would say the coin looks to have been well loved and brushed over with a soft cloth from time to time, however would not have thought it's been deliberately cleaned. Good luck if you decide to go for it, would be nice to own.

I think a reasonable price would be £292 retail, would love this if was in the market to buy. Really nice coin.

Looks like an interesting find, there is a possibility of a few with the same error. Just going by what I see It's looks like an edge strike through, with detritus completely filling the gap between the two denticles, and maybe a partial fill of the one next to it on the collar. If it had been broken off then the dentil would have been wider with two being joined, with more damage to the other denticles, just from the picture a filled die looks more likely. Most common cause is grease with compacted fluff. I love finding these when looking through listings, however getting one straight from the Mint is a another example of poor Quality Control, as this would have been an easy spot. Hope the next one you get is prefect, Always hate getting something from the mint only to find it has to go back. NGC would have maybe classed it as a Mint Error Coin with a strike through designation.

All possibilities, will be interesting to see how far afield they get over the coming years, It will be like the yellow plastic ducks of the coin world, especially if they all started at your shop.

With that name change you can see why they got rid of the Mens blue pills, Seems they prefer something more off the peg.