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    billysilver got a reaction from Gruff in Various Silver For Sale - 24oz Total - 1oz & 2oz - All in caps   
    Welcome 😎 
     
    Various Silver
    Sold as Bullion
     
    9x 1oz 2014 Canadian Maples (In rimless caps) £23 each
    1x SOLD 3x 1oz 2013 Guernsey Doubles £23 each
    SOLD 3x 2oz 2020 White Lion of Mortimer £50 each
    SOLD 2x 2oz 2020 Canada Kraken (Creatures of The North) £60 each
    SOLD 1x 2oz 2021 Queen's Beasts Completer £60
     
    All plus postage of choice
    Same or next day dispatch
    Message me for more photos or if you wish to make a purchase
    Will attempt to upload more photos later via desktop, limited to two via mobile
    Thank you for looking


     
    Thank You 😎
     
     
     
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    billysilver got a reaction from Muncle in Various Silver For Sale - 24oz Total - 1oz & 2oz - All in caps   
    Welcome 😎 
     
    Various Silver
    Sold as Bullion
     
    9x 1oz 2014 Canadian Maples (In rimless caps) £23 each
    1x SOLD 3x 1oz 2013 Guernsey Doubles £23 each
    SOLD 3x 2oz 2020 White Lion of Mortimer £50 each
    SOLD 2x 2oz 2020 Canada Kraken (Creatures of The North) £60 each
    SOLD 1x 2oz 2021 Queen's Beasts Completer £60
     
    All plus postage of choice
    Same or next day dispatch
    Message me for more photos or if you wish to make a purchase
    Will attempt to upload more photos later via desktop, limited to two via mobile
    Thank you for looking


     
    Thank You 😎
     
     
     
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    billysilver got a reaction from stefffana in Detailed Trading Guide - by billysilver   
    Detailed Trading Guide
     
    The following guide is provided as an example of how a trade between members may be conducted on The Silver Forum. The guide contains an outline of a trade and an example of how it may generally be conducted and includes some suggestions regarding best buying and selling practices and other information related to trading.
    This guide is primarily intended to help new members understand how to initiate and complete a purchase as a buyer from another member acting as seller in the Buy & Sell trade section of the forum. In addition it may also be referenced as a guide for a member conducting a sale.

    As a member you are limited to creating one trade listing every thirty days. If a member wishes to increase the number of sales listings they are permitted to create, you may upgrade to a Premium Membership here
    Upgrading to either a Silver, Gold, Platinum or Platinum PLUS Premium Membership provides a member with the ability to create unlimited trade listings and includes a whole host of other benefits such as access to premium trade listings three days earlier than all non-premium members. Premium listings are where the best deals are to be found. Purchasing a premium membership is a great way to support The Silver Forum. (Businesses need a Business Account available here)
    Before reading the information contained in this guide please make sure you have read and understand the Quickstart Guide:
    U.K Quickstart Guide
    U.S.A & Canada Quickstart Guide
    Please also ensure you have read and understand the forum rules, especially regarding trading and the risk of trading on The Silver Forum:
    Forum Rules
    Please pay attention to Section 7. Guidelines on Trading (Buying and Selling) and ensure you fully comprehend Section 7.4. Risk of Trading. It is essential that all new members read and understand this before trading on the forum.
    Disclaimer: The following applies to all Members/Sellers on the forum. Members trade at their own risk. The Silver Forum does not vet any members/sellers on the forum and neither the founder @ChrisSilver nor the forum is liable for any loss(es) that may result from trades. The founder @ChrisSilver and The Silver Forum also can not mediate any trades, this is between the two parties to discuss and resolve any issues that they might have.
     
     
    A quick summary of how a trade may be conducted on The Silver Forum

    1. A member acting as seller lists an item in the Buy & Sell trade section with a price, postage options and photos. Interested members leave a comment on the listing and then a private message will be generally initiated by The Seller. Some listings will state, comments have priority over pm's, which means comment first for a place in the queue and The Seller will then send you a private message.

    2. The terms of sale, total cost (item/s plus postage) and payment method will be discussed and agreed between The Buyer & The Seller via private message.

    3. The Buyer makes payment and provides name and address.

    4. The Seller confirms receipt of payment (best selling practice).

    5. The Seller dispatches item and provides verification (best selling practice).

    6. The Buyer receives item/s, fills bath with silver and/or gold and swims in their bullion like Scrooge McDuck.

    7. The Buyer notifies The Seller that item/items have been received (best buying practice).

    8. Members exchange trading feedback.

    9. Trade is complete.

    Please be aware that the steps provided are only a suggested example and it is entirely optional to follow them. The founder @ChrisSilver and The Silver Forum are not liable for the use or disuse of suggested guidance. Not all trades will be conducted in the exact manner as described in this guide but most will include similar steps in approximately the same order.
     
     
    Detailed Trading Guide

    1. Items listed by members on The Silver Forum can be found by clicking/hovering over the Buy & Sell tab and selecting the region or category relevant to you.

    2. If a region is selected you will be presented with two sub-categories separately listing items (Ungraded) & (Graded Only). Ungraded contains listings for bars, medals, coins (Bullion, BU, Proof, Ungraded) & other non graded precious metals. Graded contains listings for precious metal items that have been graded and slabbed.

    3. Now that you have selected Ungraded or Graded Only you will be presented with Page 1 of the trade listings for your selected sub-category. On the first page you will find pinned posts followed by all trade listings created by members of The Silver Forum.

    4. There are 5 types of Trade Listings: For Sale, For Exchange, For Sale or Exchange, For Auction, Wanted.

    If one of these tags is used on a listing by a top tier premium member, the tag will be followed with (by platinum member).

    A tag is required for any item listed. We will discuss For Auction & Wanted listings later but for now we will only be concerned with conducting a trade for items tagged For Sale, For Exchange and For Sale or Exchange.
    Listings tagged Completed, Withdrawn or Closed are no longer available. Please note that the Closed tag is only used when a topic is automatically closed or if it is manually closed by moderators and should not be used by members. Only use Completed and Withdrawn tags to end a listing you have created.

    5. Trades for all listings tagged For Sale, For Exchange and For Sale or Exchange may be conducted in the same way.
    Scroll through the listings until you find something you are interested in. Now that you have found a listing with an item/s that you would like to purchase you may wish to proceed as follows:
    Leave a comment on the listing, stating your interest in the item/s listed and await a response from the member acting as Seller. A seller may have multiple items available on one listing, mention which one/s you have an interest in.
    The seller will usually “like” your comment and/or send you a private message where the details and terms of the trade will be discussed. (The envelope icon at the top right of the page will display a notification if you have received a message)
    Both members will agree upon the terms of the trade which will include the postage choice, payment method and total cost. You may also wish to verify expected dispatch time and clarify the intended measures a member will use to ensure the item/s are well packaged and protected. It is a good idea to establish that the seller can provide proof of postage. When agreeing terms, before payment is made, clarify who is responsible for any loss incurred in the unfortunate and unlikely event that a package is not received.
    Once all terms have been agreed upon, the buyer will make payment to the member acting as seller. The seller will confirm the payment has been received. The buyer may wish to send a message to notify the seller that the payment has been sent. (A confirmation of payment is always to be expected from a seller)
    Once payment has been received the seller will pack and ship your item/s. It is best selling practice for a member acting as seller to send a photograph of the postage receipt following dispatch and/or tracking information. Some sellers may also even include a photo of the package pre-dispatch. It is a good idea to confirm with the seller before-hand when agreeing upon the terms of the trade that they will send a photo of the postage receipt once your package has been dispatched.
    Once you receive your item/s it is worth taking the time to notify the seller that the package has been received safely.
    Now that payment has been made and item/s are received, both the buyer and the seller may exchange trading feedback. It is important to leave trading feedback for each trade completed, especially if the seller has provided a good service. The feedback system helps to facilitate a degree of safety and trust for members when seeking to purchase items from another member. If a member has received several positive feedback comments it is an indicator of how safe trading with them will be.
    The trade is complete.
    Please be aware that the steps provided are only a suggested example and it is entirely optional to follow them. The founder @ChrisSilver and The Silver Forum are not liable for the use or disuse of suggested guidance. Not all trades will be conducted in the exact manner as described in this guide but most will include similar steps in approximately the same order.
    6. To leave Trading Feedback, click on a member’s user image to navigate to their profile page or click their name in a message thread.

    Click the Trading Feedback tab and click the Add Feedback button

    Select the role you adopted in the trade: The Buyer, The Seller or Trading.
    Select whether your feedback is Positive or Negative and leave a Comment.
    In the Topic field type the title of the trade listing that you interacted with to purchase, exchange or sell an item/s.

    7. If you wish to conduct your own trade in the manner described above, assuming the role of The Seller, click the Start New Topic button to create your own listing. Please note that as a standard member you may only create one trade listing every thirty days. If a member wishes to increase the number of sales listings they are permitted to create, you may upgrade to a premium membership here.

    8. Enter a name for your listing in the Title box, click the +Add Tag button in the Prefix box and choose For Sale, For Exchange, For Sale or Exchange.

    9. Enter a full & detailed description including photographs, condition & price. You can use the Trade Listing Template provided as a pinned post at the top of the trade listing pages to fill the description box. Simply replace the example information with your own.


    10. Wanted listings are created in the same manner as described above. When clicking the Start New Topic button you have the option to select the Wanted prefix. Choose a title for the item/s you are looking for, select the Wanted prefix and fill the description with information relevant to what you are seeking.

    11. For Auction is the final type of trade listing you may engage with or create. The information provided in the description of a For Auction listing is the same as any For Sale, For Exchange, For Sale or Exchange listing with the addition of auction terms, a start/end date & time and includes a starting bid instead of a total item/s cost. Some auctions may have a reserve. If you wish to start your own auction it is recommended that you use the auction template provided as a pinned post at the top of the trade listing pages.

     
    F.A.Q

    1. Can I pay by paypal, what payment methods are accepted?
    It depends on each individual seller and it is entirely the seller’s choice what methods of payment are accepted. Some members accept paypal friends & family payments. Paypal goods & services payments incur a fee for transactions, some may accept this method but will expect you to pay the fee. Some members may accept crypto payments. Most payments on The Silver Forum are made via bank transfer.
    2. Do I pay for postage?
    This is decided by the individual seller and the details will be described in the listing generally. If the listing says including postage then it’s included, the service for an included postage offer will be the seller’s choice. Most sellers do not include postage. Most listings will state the total cost of item/s plus postage of buyers choice and risk which is paid for by you the buyer. The service used is entirely your choice. If you use a postal service that is not insured you may be at risk of financial loss if the item is lost in transit.
    3. Can I Contact a member about a trade listing directly in private?
    Yes. If you are interested in an item/s listed in the Buy & Sell trade section you can contact a member directly via private message. Note that some listings will state that comments have priority over pm's, which means comment first for place in the queue and the seller will then send you a private message. On a listing with this term described it is best to follow the protocol if you want a chance to get the item/s.
    4. What happens if I do not receive an item I purchased from another member?
    In the unlikely and unfortunate event that an item purchased from another member is not received, the first steps to take will be to notify the member acting as seller and request a proof of postage if not already provided at the time of dispatch. If the member can demonstrate the item has been sent and it is clear that it has been lost in transit you could request that they communicate with the courier in order to identify if the package is lost or delayed. If it is lost then the seller will be able to claim a refund as long as the postage method chosen was insured and proof of postage retained. If the postage method chosen was not insured and the terms of the trade negotiated were that the buyer assumes all risk and liability if they choose a postal method that is not insured then your options will be limited. A seller may in this circumstance do all they can to aid you but they are under no obligation to do so, nor is the founder @ChrisSilver or The Silver Forum liable or responsible for item/s lost in transit. Ensure before any payment is made that it’s agreed that the seller can provide proof of postage to avoid issues if this situation were to arise.
    5. What does it mean when a listing says the postage is of buyer’s choice and risk?
    This means that if you the buyer choose the postal service and you choose a service that is not insured then the seller is not responsible for loss or damage. Ensure the terms agreed are clear before purchase is made. Although problems are unlikely, you may wish to choose an insured service if you wish to eliminate the possibility of an issue. Only you, the member acting as buyer are responsible for the choice made.
     
    A final note on Trust
    Making a bank transfer to someone who is essentially a stranger for an item/s unseen in person that one hopes will be shipped in good faith by an individual can be daunting in a world where we are used to ebay and paypal buyer protections and secure credit card transactions.
    As individual members of The Silver Forum we find ourselves relying on community reputation, trading feedback and our own powers of discernment.
    In my personal opinion @billysilver the manner in which trades are conducted on The Silver Forum is the best way to deal human to human, it is in accordance with our inherent nature. If trust can be developed and built between two humans trading, then that relationship can extend further.
    Building relationships based on trust is a valuable and rare thing but certainly needed in the world we find ourselves living in today. Trust is especially needed between humans in general to be healthy and happy. We are social animals and we need to be able to trust one another, we are afforded an opportunity to do so here.
    Reciprocal trust between humans is an incredibly powerful thing.
    You can verify any member’s trading sales feedback by clicking a member name and viewing their profile. You can click the trading feedback tab on a member’s profile in order to view feedback for previous trades, this is an important part of instilling confidence when potentially engaging in a trade.
    From a member’s profile you may also note the length of time a user has been active and you can view how many posts they have made and how many reputation points they have. Community Reputation points are built from members engaging a post made with a reaction(Like, Love etc).
    Membership tier (silver, gold, platinum, platinum plus) can also be a factor to consider alongside reputation and trust but it's not a definitive reason to trust someone, just indicates how much someone has invested financially into the community.
    Dependence on outside agents and financial protections are what we are used to generally as consumers, this dependence is not necessary.
    How your interaction with an individual feels must certainly be one of the most important factors to pay attention to when trading. You are a capable human with your own mind. Trust your gut. Use your own powers of discernment and enjoy your stay at The Silver Forum.
    Thank You
     
    Disclaimer: The following applies to all Members/Sellers on the forum. Members trade at their own risk. The Silver Forum does not vet any members/sellers on the forum and neither the founder @ChrisSilver nor the forum is liable for any loss(es) that may result from trades. The founder @ChrisSilver and The Silver Forum also can not mediate any trades, this is between the two parties to discuss and resolve any issues that they might have.
    All guidance contained within this document is suggested and is not mandatory instruction given by the founder @ChrisSilver or The Silver Forum.
     Neither the founder @ChrisSilver or The Silver Forum are responsible for suggested guidance followed or not followed based on information contained here in.
    Opinions expressed are the personal opinions of @billysilver
  4. Like
    billysilver got a reaction from ZigZag in Detailed Trading Guide - by billysilver   
    Detailed Trading Guide
     
    The following guide is provided as an example of how a trade between members may be conducted on The Silver Forum. The guide contains an outline of a trade and an example of how it may generally be conducted and includes some suggestions regarding best buying and selling practices and other information related to trading.
    This guide is primarily intended to help new members understand how to initiate and complete a purchase as a buyer from another member acting as seller in the Buy & Sell trade section of the forum. In addition it may also be referenced as a guide for a member conducting a sale.

    As a member you are limited to creating one trade listing every thirty days. If a member wishes to increase the number of sales listings they are permitted to create, you may upgrade to a Premium Membership here
    Upgrading to either a Silver, Gold, Platinum or Platinum PLUS Premium Membership provides a member with the ability to create unlimited trade listings and includes a whole host of other benefits such as access to premium trade listings three days earlier than all non-premium members. Premium listings are where the best deals are to be found. Purchasing a premium membership is a great way to support The Silver Forum. (Businesses need a Business Account available here)
    Before reading the information contained in this guide please make sure you have read and understand the Quickstart Guide:
    U.K Quickstart Guide
    U.S.A & Canada Quickstart Guide
    Please also ensure you have read and understand the forum rules, especially regarding trading and the risk of trading on The Silver Forum:
    Forum Rules
    Please pay attention to Section 7. Guidelines on Trading (Buying and Selling) and ensure you fully comprehend Section 7.4. Risk of Trading. It is essential that all new members read and understand this before trading on the forum.
    Disclaimer: The following applies to all Members/Sellers on the forum. Members trade at their own risk. The Silver Forum does not vet any members/sellers on the forum and neither the founder @ChrisSilver nor the forum is liable for any loss(es) that may result from trades. The founder @ChrisSilver and The Silver Forum also can not mediate any trades, this is between the two parties to discuss and resolve any issues that they might have.
     
     
    A quick summary of how a trade may be conducted on The Silver Forum

    1. A member acting as seller lists an item in the Buy & Sell trade section with a price, postage options and photos. Interested members leave a comment on the listing and then a private message will be generally initiated by The Seller. Some listings will state, comments have priority over pm's, which means comment first for a place in the queue and The Seller will then send you a private message.

    2. The terms of sale, total cost (item/s plus postage) and payment method will be discussed and agreed between The Buyer & The Seller via private message.

    3. The Buyer makes payment and provides name and address.

    4. The Seller confirms receipt of payment (best selling practice).

    5. The Seller dispatches item and provides verification (best selling practice).

    6. The Buyer receives item/s, fills bath with silver and/or gold and swims in their bullion like Scrooge McDuck.

    7. The Buyer notifies The Seller that item/items have been received (best buying practice).

    8. Members exchange trading feedback.

    9. Trade is complete.

    Please be aware that the steps provided are only a suggested example and it is entirely optional to follow them. The founder @ChrisSilver and The Silver Forum are not liable for the use or disuse of suggested guidance. Not all trades will be conducted in the exact manner as described in this guide but most will include similar steps in approximately the same order.
     
     
    Detailed Trading Guide

    1. Items listed by members on The Silver Forum can be found by clicking/hovering over the Buy & Sell tab and selecting the region or category relevant to you.

    2. If a region is selected you will be presented with two sub-categories separately listing items (Ungraded) & (Graded Only). Ungraded contains listings for bars, medals, coins (Bullion, BU, Proof, Ungraded) & other non graded precious metals. Graded contains listings for precious metal items that have been graded and slabbed.

    3. Now that you have selected Ungraded or Graded Only you will be presented with Page 1 of the trade listings for your selected sub-category. On the first page you will find pinned posts followed by all trade listings created by members of The Silver Forum.

    4. There are 5 types of Trade Listings: For Sale, For Exchange, For Sale or Exchange, For Auction, Wanted.

    If one of these tags is used on a listing by a top tier premium member, the tag will be followed with (by platinum member).

    A tag is required for any item listed. We will discuss For Auction & Wanted listings later but for now we will only be concerned with conducting a trade for items tagged For Sale, For Exchange and For Sale or Exchange.
    Listings tagged Completed, Withdrawn or Closed are no longer available. Please note that the Closed tag is only used when a topic is automatically closed or if it is manually closed by moderators and should not be used by members. Only use Completed and Withdrawn tags to end a listing you have created.

    5. Trades for all listings tagged For Sale, For Exchange and For Sale or Exchange may be conducted in the same way.
    Scroll through the listings until you find something you are interested in. Now that you have found a listing with an item/s that you would like to purchase you may wish to proceed as follows:
    Leave a comment on the listing, stating your interest in the item/s listed and await a response from the member acting as Seller. A seller may have multiple items available on one listing, mention which one/s you have an interest in.
    The seller will usually “like” your comment and/or send you a private message where the details and terms of the trade will be discussed. (The envelope icon at the top right of the page will display a notification if you have received a message)
    Both members will agree upon the terms of the trade which will include the postage choice, payment method and total cost. You may also wish to verify expected dispatch time and clarify the intended measures a member will use to ensure the item/s are well packaged and protected. It is a good idea to establish that the seller can provide proof of postage. When agreeing terms, before payment is made, clarify who is responsible for any loss incurred in the unfortunate and unlikely event that a package is not received.
    Once all terms have been agreed upon, the buyer will make payment to the member acting as seller. The seller will confirm the payment has been received. The buyer may wish to send a message to notify the seller that the payment has been sent. (A confirmation of payment is always to be expected from a seller)
    Once payment has been received the seller will pack and ship your item/s. It is best selling practice for a member acting as seller to send a photograph of the postage receipt following dispatch and/or tracking information. Some sellers may also even include a photo of the package pre-dispatch. It is a good idea to confirm with the seller before-hand when agreeing upon the terms of the trade that they will send a photo of the postage receipt once your package has been dispatched.
    Once you receive your item/s it is worth taking the time to notify the seller that the package has been received safely.
    Now that payment has been made and item/s are received, both the buyer and the seller may exchange trading feedback. It is important to leave trading feedback for each trade completed, especially if the seller has provided a good service. The feedback system helps to facilitate a degree of safety and trust for members when seeking to purchase items from another member. If a member has received several positive feedback comments it is an indicator of how safe trading with them will be.
    The trade is complete.
    Please be aware that the steps provided are only a suggested example and it is entirely optional to follow them. The founder @ChrisSilver and The Silver Forum are not liable for the use or disuse of suggested guidance. Not all trades will be conducted in the exact manner as described in this guide but most will include similar steps in approximately the same order.
    6. To leave Trading Feedback, click on a member’s user image to navigate to their profile page or click their name in a message thread.

    Click the Trading Feedback tab and click the Add Feedback button

    Select the role you adopted in the trade: The Buyer, The Seller or Trading.
    Select whether your feedback is Positive or Negative and leave a Comment.
    In the Topic field type the title of the trade listing that you interacted with to purchase, exchange or sell an item/s.

    7. If you wish to conduct your own trade in the manner described above, assuming the role of The Seller, click the Start New Topic button to create your own listing. Please note that as a standard member you may only create one trade listing every thirty days. If a member wishes to increase the number of sales listings they are permitted to create, you may upgrade to a premium membership here.

    8. Enter a name for your listing in the Title box, click the +Add Tag button in the Prefix box and choose For Sale, For Exchange, For Sale or Exchange.

    9. Enter a full & detailed description including photographs, condition & price. You can use the Trade Listing Template provided as a pinned post at the top of the trade listing pages to fill the description box. Simply replace the example information with your own.


    10. Wanted listings are created in the same manner as described above. When clicking the Start New Topic button you have the option to select the Wanted prefix. Choose a title for the item/s you are looking for, select the Wanted prefix and fill the description with information relevant to what you are seeking.

    11. For Auction is the final type of trade listing you may engage with or create. The information provided in the description of a For Auction listing is the same as any For Sale, For Exchange, For Sale or Exchange listing with the addition of auction terms, a start/end date & time and includes a starting bid instead of a total item/s cost. Some auctions may have a reserve. If you wish to start your own auction it is recommended that you use the auction template provided as a pinned post at the top of the trade listing pages.

     
    F.A.Q

    1. Can I pay by paypal, what payment methods are accepted?
    It depends on each individual seller and it is entirely the seller’s choice what methods of payment are accepted. Some members accept paypal friends & family payments. Paypal goods & services payments incur a fee for transactions, some may accept this method but will expect you to pay the fee. Some members may accept crypto payments. Most payments on The Silver Forum are made via bank transfer.
    2. Do I pay for postage?
    This is decided by the individual seller and the details will be described in the listing generally. If the listing says including postage then it’s included, the service for an included postage offer will be the seller’s choice. Most sellers do not include postage. Most listings will state the total cost of item/s plus postage of buyers choice and risk which is paid for by you the buyer. The service used is entirely your choice. If you use a postal service that is not insured you may be at risk of financial loss if the item is lost in transit.
    3. Can I Contact a member about a trade listing directly in private?
    Yes. If you are interested in an item/s listed in the Buy & Sell trade section you can contact a member directly via private message. Note that some listings will state that comments have priority over pm's, which means comment first for place in the queue and the seller will then send you a private message. On a listing with this term described it is best to follow the protocol if you want a chance to get the item/s.
    4. What happens if I do not receive an item I purchased from another member?
    In the unlikely and unfortunate event that an item purchased from another member is not received, the first steps to take will be to notify the member acting as seller and request a proof of postage if not already provided at the time of dispatch. If the member can demonstrate the item has been sent and it is clear that it has been lost in transit you could request that they communicate with the courier in order to identify if the package is lost or delayed. If it is lost then the seller will be able to claim a refund as long as the postage method chosen was insured and proof of postage retained. If the postage method chosen was not insured and the terms of the trade negotiated were that the buyer assumes all risk and liability if they choose a postal method that is not insured then your options will be limited. A seller may in this circumstance do all they can to aid you but they are under no obligation to do so, nor is the founder @ChrisSilver or The Silver Forum liable or responsible for item/s lost in transit. Ensure before any payment is made that it’s agreed that the seller can provide proof of postage to avoid issues if this situation were to arise.
    5. What does it mean when a listing says the postage is of buyer’s choice and risk?
    This means that if you the buyer choose the postal service and you choose a service that is not insured then the seller is not responsible for loss or damage. Ensure the terms agreed are clear before purchase is made. Although problems are unlikely, you may wish to choose an insured service if you wish to eliminate the possibility of an issue. Only you, the member acting as buyer are responsible for the choice made.
     
    A final note on Trust
    Making a bank transfer to someone who is essentially a stranger for an item/s unseen in person that one hopes will be shipped in good faith by an individual can be daunting in a world where we are used to ebay and paypal buyer protections and secure credit card transactions.
    As individual members of The Silver Forum we find ourselves relying on community reputation, trading feedback and our own powers of discernment.
    In my personal opinion @billysilver the manner in which trades are conducted on The Silver Forum is the best way to deal human to human, it is in accordance with our inherent nature. If trust can be developed and built between two humans trading, then that relationship can extend further.
    Building relationships based on trust is a valuable and rare thing but certainly needed in the world we find ourselves living in today. Trust is especially needed between humans in general to be healthy and happy. We are social animals and we need to be able to trust one another, we are afforded an opportunity to do so here.
    Reciprocal trust between humans is an incredibly powerful thing.
    You can verify any member’s trading sales feedback by clicking a member name and viewing their profile. You can click the trading feedback tab on a member’s profile in order to view feedback for previous trades, this is an important part of instilling confidence when potentially engaging in a trade.
    From a member’s profile you may also note the length of time a user has been active and you can view how many posts they have made and how many reputation points they have. Community Reputation points are built from members engaging a post made with a reaction(Like, Love etc).
    Membership tier (silver, gold, platinum, platinum plus) can also be a factor to consider alongside reputation and trust but it's not a definitive reason to trust someone, just indicates how much someone has invested financially into the community.
    Dependence on outside agents and financial protections are what we are used to generally as consumers, this dependence is not necessary.
    How your interaction with an individual feels must certainly be one of the most important factors to pay attention to when trading. You are a capable human with your own mind. Trust your gut. Use your own powers of discernment and enjoy your stay at The Silver Forum.
    Thank You
     
    Disclaimer: The following applies to all Members/Sellers on the forum. Members trade at their own risk. The Silver Forum does not vet any members/sellers on the forum and neither the founder @ChrisSilver nor the forum is liable for any loss(es) that may result from trades. The founder @ChrisSilver and The Silver Forum also can not mediate any trades, this is between the two parties to discuss and resolve any issues that they might have.
    All guidance contained within this document is suggested and is not mandatory instruction given by the founder @ChrisSilver or The Silver Forum.
     Neither the founder @ChrisSilver or The Silver Forum are responsible for suggested guidance followed or not followed based on information contained here in.
    Opinions expressed are the personal opinions of @billysilver
  5. Like
    billysilver reacted to silverseller in Thank you TSF - 75 tubes of 1oz silver 2020 Britannias sold   
    Special thanks to those members who bought: @Silverman2U@SilverTalent@hungrlow@JamesH@elvee426@steve3jant@Johnorob89@darkstar@jamesyh@Byronvan@stackerp5@Domo@katyc@Davros006@Geovest@db570uk@TheLordOfRuin@WILLIG666@bigstudotcom
    Extra special thanks to @ChrisSilverfor providing the means to sell my stack - this really is the place to buy and sell precious metals.  
    All the online and in-person member interactions I had were positive and rewarding, and you are all a credit to this forum. 
    Silverseller
     
     
     
     
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    billysilver reacted to LawrenceChard in Spike in Premiums   
    "Brits are at about £30"
    Until then, I had presumed you were talking about gold, and even when I saw this, I thought you meant £30 per ounce over spot gold.
    At this point, I had to scroll to the top of the page, to find out what you were talking about.
    Home    Precious Metals    Silver    Spike in Premiums But it would have been good to have made things clear by using the title "Spike in Silver Premiums".
    In the UK, it almost makes no sense to discuss premiums on silver, coin or bars.
    Why? Simply because of VAT. You need to strip the VAT out of the price before discussing premiums, otherwise you are discussing prices, not premiums.
    And then, you need to remove the intrinsic value, leaving you with an actual premium.
    So assume silver Britannias are £30, including VAT, that makes them £25 excluding VAT. If spot silver is £17, that makes an £8 premium, or 47% premium.
    Also "Looking at Atkinsons" I'd rather not. But why when Chards are under £25? 
    Another reason to save time and effort discussing premiums on silver is the fact that buying silver in the UK or EU, and paying VAT is not a sensible investment. Gold is. Buy silver coins or bars if you want to collect them, you like the designs, or you need a doorstop. Buy gold for investment.
    Or, if you do buy silver for investment, don'g pay VAT on it, buy it for offshore storage where it does not attract VAT.
    Try reading this:
    https://www.chards.co.uk/blog/advice-guide-for-uk-bullion-investors/1041
    Now, back to silver Britannia prices and premiums:
    Quantity Premium Price Per Item (Exc. VAT) Price Per Item (Inc. VAT) Total (Inc. VAT) Est UK Delivery 1 £3.60 £20.72 £24.86 £24.86 £3.50 5 £3.60 £20.72 £24.86 £124.30 £6.00 10 £3.60 £20.72 £24.86 £248.60 £6.00 25 £3.45 £20.57 £24.68 £617.00 £6.00 50 £3.30 £20.42 £24.50 £1,225.00 £11.00 100 £3.15 £20.27 £24.32 £2,432.00 £27.60 250 £2.85 £19.97 £23.96 £5,990.00 £29.60 500 £2.80 £19.92 £23.90 £11,950.00 £48.20 1000+ £2.75 £19.87 £23.84 £23,840.00 £97.40 That makes it easy to see the actual premiums, does any other dealer give you this much information or transparency?
    I don't think £3.60 or £2.75 is a notably high premium on new 2022 silver Brtitanias, although without checking, it migh be about 10 or 20 pence more than a month ago.
    Also note that @ChardsCoinandBullionDealer premiums are less than half your aforementioned dealer.
    I guess you could have chosen other examples from other dealers with similar rip-off premiums.
    "Just checked out Chards and their prices seem to be more reasonable"
    Of course they are, that's what we do!
    Is that enough commentary?
    😎
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    billysilver reacted to katyc in Newbie introducing myself (and asking if now's a good time to buy gold!)   
    Yes, short term very rarely works in investing.
    BTW, I won't be buying that much each month forever. It will be for a year (probably less). It's a chunk of directors loan that was owed back to me from my investment in my business over many years (I'm certainly not lucky enough to afford 2 to 3 oz a month forever. I bloody wish!)
    But it's very interesting hearing your views and I'm going to keep the risk spread as advised. Thank you all!
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    billysilver reacted to Pete in Newbie introducing myself (and asking if now's a good time to buy gold!)   
    No one on this forum or anywhere else for that matter can honestly tell you that PMs will rise in value.
    If you check the historic charts over say the past 50 years and compare with inflation you will find that gold has retained its value and nothing else.
    That's good of course but had you trickled the same investment into the stock market it would have got you half way to the moon.

    In my opinion I believe gold is due a correction downwards and silver is grossly undervalued.
    Platinum also is undervalued but these commodities are priced by market forces and some will say manipulated by big financial institutions.
    When and if the tides turn we can only wait and see.

    You mention you own a lot of properties so why bother tinkering with PMs but that depends on their location and value.
    If mortgage rates rise as predicted many buyers will default and perhaps force prices downwards.
    People that cannot pay their rents due to the extortionate cost of energy this winter will become a nightmare for landlords.
    Then there is capital gains tax to contend with selling property.
     
     
  9. Haha
    billysilver reacted to kimchi in Newbie introducing myself (and asking if now's a good time to buy gold!)   
    Bury them in gardens/countryside
    Just don't lose your maps
  10. Super Like
    billysilver reacted to CANV in Newbie introducing myself (and asking if now's a good time to buy gold!)   
    well you can hide em everywhere.. everyone in the UK loves em and they are at the perfect price pinch point. .  ounces are a bit expensive for most and fractional  Britannia and krugs etc attract a bigger premium. 
    if you just want bullion gold in the uk they cant be beaten.   
    but after a while you will fancy a gold bar, or a silver engelhard.   we all get sucked in.   
     
    sovs are the bench mark. 
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    billysilver reacted to James32 in Newbie introducing myself (and asking if now's a good time to buy gold!)   
    Yeah I've been there but like everything "time will heal lol" I paid vat on over 1000ozs of silver before finding out the forum existed. 
    Your silver will come good eventually and the best lessons in life are usually learned the hard way.
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    billysilver reacted to James32 in Newbie introducing myself (and asking if now's a good time to buy gold!)   
    Welcome aboard firstly 🙂
    If happy to hold longer term "5 to 10 years" then buying now isn't a cause for concern. Can price's drop short term? Of course and it's a strong possibility, but the whole idea of buying precious metals is..cost averaging. But an oz of gold now at £1500 and say it drops next week to £1400?? Buy another oz. Now you are only exposed £50 rather than £100.
    Basically if you spread your buying out,you will be safe long term, rather than jumping in and buying everything at once.
    Now that you have a membership you will get access to deals posted instantly, so you will save a considerable amount compared to buying from dealers online. But reputable dealers do have a place also, new releases and for certain items you need for a collection, a few I'd recommend but not limited to are...
    Chards.co.uk 
    Atkinsonsbullion.com 
    ATSBULLION.COM 
    Bleyerbullion
    sharpspixley.com 
     
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    billysilver reacted to katyc in Newbie introducing myself (and asking if now's a good time to buy gold!)   
    Hi everyone 👋
    I've been hanging around like a quiet little creep for a few weeks now and have just this minute activated Silver Membership. So I thought I'd pluck up the courage to create a post. I'm a beginner/newbie who's read several books, got to grips with economics and invested a considerable amount in physical silver and gold over the last month or two. I also took what I consider a small "gamble" on platinum - but just 2oz of that for now. I have been mostly buying silver due to the ratio situation, solar energy etc and am aware it is considered more risky than gold.
    I want to purchase more gold (just 2 or 3oz for now) but am reluctant at the current price as it looks like it could be due a drop (even though inflation is an imminent huge driver of the price). Could you share your opinions on whether I should go for it or wait in hope for a drop? (I realise we'd need a crystal ball for a precise answer - but am interested to hear your views).
    I have a small portfolio of 10 properties (which were bought thanks to being an eBay and Amazon seller. Although it took about 13 years of relentless work and stress to get there). My day job (pre 2006) was in accountancy, which I've found really useful when getting involved in retail & investing. Currently I am taking a break from buying property because I feel the stress is taking it's toll on my health/happiness (plus house prices are not ideal at the moment). Thus - the perfect opportunity to buy precious metals! All it does is sit there - no work required - what a dream! I'm happy to hold for 1 year, 10 years, 20 years - whatever really - so it's progression in value shouldn't cause me much stress (touch wood!) - but I'd like to be sure I'm not purchasing at what's considered a really high price which could deflate for years. I also believe that property and gold generally work in opposite trends to each other - so I'm balancing my risk and (hopefully) covered for all situations.
    So, that's me 😊. Please say hello and break me in gently! 😬
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    billysilver reacted to LawrenceChard in 2019 Silver Bullion 1 Ounce Coin Oriental Border St Helena East India Company - Beauty Dish Photo Lighting   
    2019 Silver Bullion 1 Ounce Coin Oriental Border St Helena East India Company - Beauty Dish Photo Lighting

    This is a nicely detailed design:

    Doug commented:
    Christian: struggled with grid on this and didn't want to flatten all that detail with the softbox so got the beauty dish out - really nice gradation of tones on the obverse! 😎
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    billysilver got a reaction from SilverSells in Detailed Trading Guide - by billysilver   
    Detailed Trading Guide
     
    The following guide is provided as an example of how a trade between members may be conducted on The Silver Forum. The guide contains an outline of a trade and an example of how it may generally be conducted and includes some suggestions regarding best buying and selling practices and other information related to trading.
    This guide is primarily intended to help new members understand how to initiate and complete a purchase as a buyer from another member acting as seller in the Buy & Sell trade section of the forum. In addition it may also be referenced as a guide for a member conducting a sale.

    As a member you are limited to creating one trade listing every thirty days. If a member wishes to increase the number of sales listings they are permitted to create, you may upgrade to a Premium Membership here
    Upgrading to either a Silver, Gold, Platinum or Platinum PLUS Premium Membership provides a member with the ability to create unlimited trade listings and includes a whole host of other benefits such as access to premium trade listings three days earlier than all non-premium members. Premium listings are where the best deals are to be found. Purchasing a premium membership is a great way to support The Silver Forum. (Businesses need a Business Account available here)
    Before reading the information contained in this guide please make sure you have read and understand the Quickstart Guide:
    U.K Quickstart Guide
    U.S.A & Canada Quickstart Guide
    Please also ensure you have read and understand the forum rules, especially regarding trading and the risk of trading on The Silver Forum:
    Forum Rules
    Please pay attention to Section 7. Guidelines on Trading (Buying and Selling) and ensure you fully comprehend Section 7.4. Risk of Trading. It is essential that all new members read and understand this before trading on the forum.
    Disclaimer: The following applies to all Members/Sellers on the forum. Members trade at their own risk. The Silver Forum does not vet any members/sellers on the forum and neither the founder @ChrisSilver nor the forum is liable for any loss(es) that may result from trades. The founder @ChrisSilver and The Silver Forum also can not mediate any trades, this is between the two parties to discuss and resolve any issues that they might have.
     
     
    A quick summary of how a trade may be conducted on The Silver Forum

    1. A member acting as seller lists an item in the Buy & Sell trade section with a price, postage options and photos. Interested members leave a comment on the listing and then a private message will be generally initiated by The Seller. Some listings will state, comments have priority over pm's, which means comment first for a place in the queue and The Seller will then send you a private message.

    2. The terms of sale, total cost (item/s plus postage) and payment method will be discussed and agreed between The Buyer & The Seller via private message.

    3. The Buyer makes payment and provides name and address.

    4. The Seller confirms receipt of payment (best selling practice).

    5. The Seller dispatches item and provides verification (best selling practice).

    6. The Buyer receives item/s, fills bath with silver and/or gold and swims in their bullion like Scrooge McDuck.

    7. The Buyer notifies The Seller that item/items have been received (best buying practice).

    8. Members exchange trading feedback.

    9. Trade is complete.

    Please be aware that the steps provided are only a suggested example and it is entirely optional to follow them. The founder @ChrisSilver and The Silver Forum are not liable for the use or disuse of suggested guidance. Not all trades will be conducted in the exact manner as described in this guide but most will include similar steps in approximately the same order.
     
     
    Detailed Trading Guide

    1. Items listed by members on The Silver Forum can be found by clicking/hovering over the Buy & Sell tab and selecting the region or category relevant to you.

    2. If a region is selected you will be presented with two sub-categories separately listing items (Ungraded) & (Graded Only). Ungraded contains listings for bars, medals, coins (Bullion, BU, Proof, Ungraded) & other non graded precious metals. Graded contains listings for precious metal items that have been graded and slabbed.

    3. Now that you have selected Ungraded or Graded Only you will be presented with Page 1 of the trade listings for your selected sub-category. On the first page you will find pinned posts followed by all trade listings created by members of The Silver Forum.

    4. There are 5 types of Trade Listings: For Sale, For Exchange, For Sale or Exchange, For Auction, Wanted.

    If one of these tags is used on a listing by a top tier premium member, the tag will be followed with (by platinum member).

    A tag is required for any item listed. We will discuss For Auction & Wanted listings later but for now we will only be concerned with conducting a trade for items tagged For Sale, For Exchange and For Sale or Exchange.
    Listings tagged Completed, Withdrawn or Closed are no longer available. Please note that the Closed tag is only used when a topic is automatically closed or if it is manually closed by moderators and should not be used by members. Only use Completed and Withdrawn tags to end a listing you have created.

    5. Trades for all listings tagged For Sale, For Exchange and For Sale or Exchange may be conducted in the same way.
    Scroll through the listings until you find something you are interested in. Now that you have found a listing with an item/s that you would like to purchase you may wish to proceed as follows:
    Leave a comment on the listing, stating your interest in the item/s listed and await a response from the member acting as Seller. A seller may have multiple items available on one listing, mention which one/s you have an interest in.
    The seller will usually “like” your comment and/or send you a private message where the details and terms of the trade will be discussed. (The envelope icon at the top right of the page will display a notification if you have received a message)
    Both members will agree upon the terms of the trade which will include the postage choice, payment method and total cost. You may also wish to verify expected dispatch time and clarify the intended measures a member will use to ensure the item/s are well packaged and protected. It is a good idea to establish that the seller can provide proof of postage. When agreeing terms, before payment is made, clarify who is responsible for any loss incurred in the unfortunate and unlikely event that a package is not received.
    Once all terms have been agreed upon, the buyer will make payment to the member acting as seller. The seller will confirm the payment has been received. The buyer may wish to send a message to notify the seller that the payment has been sent. (A confirmation of payment is always to be expected from a seller)
    Once payment has been received the seller will pack and ship your item/s. It is best selling practice for a member acting as seller to send a photograph of the postage receipt following dispatch and/or tracking information. Some sellers may also even include a photo of the package pre-dispatch. It is a good idea to confirm with the seller before-hand when agreeing upon the terms of the trade that they will send a photo of the postage receipt once your package has been dispatched.
    Once you receive your item/s it is worth taking the time to notify the seller that the package has been received safely.
    Now that payment has been made and item/s are received, both the buyer and the seller may exchange trading feedback. It is important to leave trading feedback for each trade completed, especially if the seller has provided a good service. The feedback system helps to facilitate a degree of safety and trust for members when seeking to purchase items from another member. If a member has received several positive feedback comments it is an indicator of how safe trading with them will be.
    The trade is complete.
    Please be aware that the steps provided are only a suggested example and it is entirely optional to follow them. The founder @ChrisSilver and The Silver Forum are not liable for the use or disuse of suggested guidance. Not all trades will be conducted in the exact manner as described in this guide but most will include similar steps in approximately the same order.
    6. To leave Trading Feedback, click on a member’s user image to navigate to their profile page or click their name in a message thread.

    Click the Trading Feedback tab and click the Add Feedback button

    Select the role you adopted in the trade: The Buyer, The Seller or Trading.
    Select whether your feedback is Positive or Negative and leave a Comment.
    In the Topic field type the title of the trade listing that you interacted with to purchase, exchange or sell an item/s.

    7. If you wish to conduct your own trade in the manner described above, assuming the role of The Seller, click the Start New Topic button to create your own listing. Please note that as a standard member you may only create one trade listing every thirty days. If a member wishes to increase the number of sales listings they are permitted to create, you may upgrade to a premium membership here.

    8. Enter a name for your listing in the Title box, click the +Add Tag button in the Prefix box and choose For Sale, For Exchange, For Sale or Exchange.

    9. Enter a full & detailed description including photographs, condition & price. You can use the Trade Listing Template provided as a pinned post at the top of the trade listing pages to fill the description box. Simply replace the example information with your own.


    10. Wanted listings are created in the same manner as described above. When clicking the Start New Topic button you have the option to select the Wanted prefix. Choose a title for the item/s you are looking for, select the Wanted prefix and fill the description with information relevant to what you are seeking.

    11. For Auction is the final type of trade listing you may engage with or create. The information provided in the description of a For Auction listing is the same as any For Sale, For Exchange, For Sale or Exchange listing with the addition of auction terms, a start/end date & time and includes a starting bid instead of a total item/s cost. Some auctions may have a reserve. If you wish to start your own auction it is recommended that you use the auction template provided as a pinned post at the top of the trade listing pages.

     
    F.A.Q

    1. Can I pay by paypal, what payment methods are accepted?
    It depends on each individual seller and it is entirely the seller’s choice what methods of payment are accepted. Some members accept paypal friends & family payments. Paypal goods & services payments incur a fee for transactions, some may accept this method but will expect you to pay the fee. Some members may accept crypto payments. Most payments on The Silver Forum are made via bank transfer.
    2. Do I pay for postage?
    This is decided by the individual seller and the details will be described in the listing generally. If the listing says including postage then it’s included, the service for an included postage offer will be the seller’s choice. Most sellers do not include postage. Most listings will state the total cost of item/s plus postage of buyers choice and risk which is paid for by you the buyer. The service used is entirely your choice. If you use a postal service that is not insured you may be at risk of financial loss if the item is lost in transit.
    3. Can I Contact a member about a trade listing directly in private?
    Yes. If you are interested in an item/s listed in the Buy & Sell trade section you can contact a member directly via private message. Note that some listings will state that comments have priority over pm's, which means comment first for place in the queue and the seller will then send you a private message. On a listing with this term described it is best to follow the protocol if you want a chance to get the item/s.
    4. What happens if I do not receive an item I purchased from another member?
    In the unlikely and unfortunate event that an item purchased from another member is not received, the first steps to take will be to notify the member acting as seller and request a proof of postage if not already provided at the time of dispatch. If the member can demonstrate the item has been sent and it is clear that it has been lost in transit you could request that they communicate with the courier in order to identify if the package is lost or delayed. If it is lost then the seller will be able to claim a refund as long as the postage method chosen was insured and proof of postage retained. If the postage method chosen was not insured and the terms of the trade negotiated were that the buyer assumes all risk and liability if they choose a postal method that is not insured then your options will be limited. A seller may in this circumstance do all they can to aid you but they are under no obligation to do so, nor is the founder @ChrisSilver or The Silver Forum liable or responsible for item/s lost in transit. Ensure before any payment is made that it’s agreed that the seller can provide proof of postage to avoid issues if this situation were to arise.
    5. What does it mean when a listing says the postage is of buyer’s choice and risk?
    This means that if you the buyer choose the postal service and you choose a service that is not insured then the seller is not responsible for loss or damage. Ensure the terms agreed are clear before purchase is made. Although problems are unlikely, you may wish to choose an insured service if you wish to eliminate the possibility of an issue. Only you, the member acting as buyer are responsible for the choice made.
     
    A final note on Trust
    Making a bank transfer to someone who is essentially a stranger for an item/s unseen in person that one hopes will be shipped in good faith by an individual can be daunting in a world where we are used to ebay and paypal buyer protections and secure credit card transactions.
    As individual members of The Silver Forum we find ourselves relying on community reputation, trading feedback and our own powers of discernment.
    In my personal opinion @billysilver the manner in which trades are conducted on The Silver Forum is the best way to deal human to human, it is in accordance with our inherent nature. If trust can be developed and built between two humans trading, then that relationship can extend further.
    Building relationships based on trust is a valuable and rare thing but certainly needed in the world we find ourselves living in today. Trust is especially needed between humans in general to be healthy and happy. We are social animals and we need to be able to trust one another, we are afforded an opportunity to do so here.
    Reciprocal trust between humans is an incredibly powerful thing.
    You can verify any member’s trading sales feedback by clicking a member name and viewing their profile. You can click the trading feedback tab on a member’s profile in order to view feedback for previous trades, this is an important part of instilling confidence when potentially engaging in a trade.
    From a member’s profile you may also note the length of time a user has been active and you can view how many posts they have made and how many reputation points they have. Community Reputation points are built from members engaging a post made with a reaction(Like, Love etc).
    Membership tier (silver, gold, platinum, platinum plus) can also be a factor to consider alongside reputation and trust but it's not a definitive reason to trust someone, just indicates how much someone has invested financially into the community.
    Dependence on outside agents and financial protections are what we are used to generally as consumers, this dependence is not necessary.
    How your interaction with an individual feels must certainly be one of the most important factors to pay attention to when trading. You are a capable human with your own mind. Trust your gut. Use your own powers of discernment and enjoy your stay at The Silver Forum.
    Thank You
     
    Disclaimer: The following applies to all Members/Sellers on the forum. Members trade at their own risk. The Silver Forum does not vet any members/sellers on the forum and neither the founder @ChrisSilver nor the forum is liable for any loss(es) that may result from trades. The founder @ChrisSilver and The Silver Forum also can not mediate any trades, this is between the two parties to discuss and resolve any issues that they might have.
    All guidance contained within this document is suggested and is not mandatory instruction given by the founder @ChrisSilver or The Silver Forum.
     Neither the founder @ChrisSilver or The Silver Forum are responsible for suggested guidance followed or not followed based on information contained here in.
    Opinions expressed are the personal opinions of @billysilver
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    billysilver got a reaction from SilverPlatinum in Postage Advice for PM   
    Hi John,
    I've never known anyone to use anything other than Royal Mail for postage on the forum, I have neither sold using any other methods or purchased using any method other than RM.
    Note that only special delivery is fully insured for precious metals. Most people will be happy to assume the risk for one or two coins with Royal Mail signed for 1st or 2nd class. You're only obligated to make it clear in your listing, who assumes risk, what postage methods you are offering and who is paying for the postage.
    In the unlikely event of something getting lost after dispatch, if you've shipped via 1st or 2nd Class Signed For and it's been agreed at the time of the deal that you(the seller) assumes the risk, then you would be responsible for reimbursing the loss, most often times though, when 1st or 2nd class signed for postage is offered on a listing, it's stated that the buyer assumes the risk if they choose to accept such a means of postage, due to the fact that these services do not cover pm's, even though they are insured up to £50 and if the seller assumed the risk, theoretically, if the "tracking number" didn't update when received, an unscrupulous buyer could say they didn't receive the item and try and get the seller to refund them and the seller would be morally obliged to and would have no means of re-course with Royal Mail. I would be surprised to ever hear of such a thing occurring for two reasons though; 1. I've never had an item lost when selling or buying here and 2. Members here are not the type to behave in such a way as described in the former hypothetical.
    If you have access to a depot, you can send via Royal Mail Tracked 24 or 48, which is not a service available at The Post Office, once again though, these services are not insured for pm's, they are insured up to £100 for non pm's but one benefit of these services is they are fully tracked, unlike signed for, where the "tracking number" is updated upon receipt. This means a RM 24/48 item is not going to get lost.
    Regarding any option other than Special Delivery, in the event of a loss, you could attempt to claim the item is a collector's piece and you may get somewhere with that, I know I have read a thread that discussed this succeeding when a loss has occurred for them in the past but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't work on legal tender bullion, unless you got lucky.
    All being said, I don't know what fear-mongering dispatches was alluding to, I haven't seen terrestrial television for a long time, but as long as you are clear in the listing, who assumes risk and what services are available at the time of the deal and it is agreed between the two parties, you will be good to go.
    Check out my buying and selling guide, there may be some additional pointers that can help you when you decide to sell on the forum:
     
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    billysilver got a reaction from PenguinUK in Detailed Trading Guide - by billysilver   
    Detailed Trading Guide
     
    The following guide is provided as an example of how a trade between members may be conducted on The Silver Forum. The guide contains an outline of a trade and an example of how it may generally be conducted and includes some suggestions regarding best buying and selling practices and other information related to trading.
    This guide is primarily intended to help new members understand how to initiate and complete a purchase as a buyer from another member acting as seller in the Buy & Sell trade section of the forum. In addition it may also be referenced as a guide for a member conducting a sale.

    As a member you are limited to creating one trade listing every thirty days. If a member wishes to increase the number of sales listings they are permitted to create, you may upgrade to a Premium Membership here
    Upgrading to either a Silver, Gold, Platinum or Platinum PLUS Premium Membership provides a member with the ability to create unlimited trade listings and includes a whole host of other benefits such as access to premium trade listings three days earlier than all non-premium members. Premium listings are where the best deals are to be found. Purchasing a premium membership is a great way to support The Silver Forum. (Businesses need a Business Account available here)
    Before reading the information contained in this guide please make sure you have read and understand the Quickstart Guide:
    U.K Quickstart Guide
    U.S.A & Canada Quickstart Guide
    Please also ensure you have read and understand the forum rules, especially regarding trading and the risk of trading on The Silver Forum:
    Forum Rules
    Please pay attention to Section 7. Guidelines on Trading (Buying and Selling) and ensure you fully comprehend Section 7.4. Risk of Trading. It is essential that all new members read and understand this before trading on the forum.
    Disclaimer: The following applies to all Members/Sellers on the forum. Members trade at their own risk. The Silver Forum does not vet any members/sellers on the forum and neither the founder @ChrisSilver nor the forum is liable for any loss(es) that may result from trades. The founder @ChrisSilver and The Silver Forum also can not mediate any trades, this is between the two parties to discuss and resolve any issues that they might have.
     
     
    A quick summary of how a trade may be conducted on The Silver Forum

    1. A member acting as seller lists an item in the Buy & Sell trade section with a price, postage options and photos. Interested members leave a comment on the listing and then a private message will be generally initiated by The Seller. Some listings will state, comments have priority over pm's, which means comment first for a place in the queue and The Seller will then send you a private message.

    2. The terms of sale, total cost (item/s plus postage) and payment method will be discussed and agreed between The Buyer & The Seller via private message.

    3. The Buyer makes payment and provides name and address.

    4. The Seller confirms receipt of payment (best selling practice).

    5. The Seller dispatches item and provides verification (best selling practice).

    6. The Buyer receives item/s, fills bath with silver and/or gold and swims in their bullion like Scrooge McDuck.

    7. The Buyer notifies The Seller that item/items have been received (best buying practice).

    8. Members exchange trading feedback.

    9. Trade is complete.

    Please be aware that the steps provided are only a suggested example and it is entirely optional to follow them. The founder @ChrisSilver and The Silver Forum are not liable for the use or disuse of suggested guidance. Not all trades will be conducted in the exact manner as described in this guide but most will include similar steps in approximately the same order.
     
     
    Detailed Trading Guide

    1. Items listed by members on The Silver Forum can be found by clicking/hovering over the Buy & Sell tab and selecting the region or category relevant to you.

    2. If a region is selected you will be presented with two sub-categories separately listing items (Ungraded) & (Graded Only). Ungraded contains listings for bars, medals, coins (Bullion, BU, Proof, Ungraded) & other non graded precious metals. Graded contains listings for precious metal items that have been graded and slabbed.

    3. Now that you have selected Ungraded or Graded Only you will be presented with Page 1 of the trade listings for your selected sub-category. On the first page you will find pinned posts followed by all trade listings created by members of The Silver Forum.

    4. There are 5 types of Trade Listings: For Sale, For Exchange, For Sale or Exchange, For Auction, Wanted.

    If one of these tags is used on a listing by a top tier premium member, the tag will be followed with (by platinum member).

    A tag is required for any item listed. We will discuss For Auction & Wanted listings later but for now we will only be concerned with conducting a trade for items tagged For Sale, For Exchange and For Sale or Exchange.
    Listings tagged Completed, Withdrawn or Closed are no longer available. Please note that the Closed tag is only used when a topic is automatically closed or if it is manually closed by moderators and should not be used by members. Only use Completed and Withdrawn tags to end a listing you have created.

    5. Trades for all listings tagged For Sale, For Exchange and For Sale or Exchange may be conducted in the same way.
    Scroll through the listings until you find something you are interested in. Now that you have found a listing with an item/s that you would like to purchase you may wish to proceed as follows:
    Leave a comment on the listing, stating your interest in the item/s listed and await a response from the member acting as Seller. A seller may have multiple items available on one listing, mention which one/s you have an interest in.
    The seller will usually “like” your comment and/or send you a private message where the details and terms of the trade will be discussed. (The envelope icon at the top right of the page will display a notification if you have received a message)
    Both members will agree upon the terms of the trade which will include the postage choice, payment method and total cost. You may also wish to verify expected dispatch time and clarify the intended measures a member will use to ensure the item/s are well packaged and protected. It is a good idea to establish that the seller can provide proof of postage. When agreeing terms, before payment is made, clarify who is responsible for any loss incurred in the unfortunate and unlikely event that a package is not received.
    Once all terms have been agreed upon, the buyer will make payment to the member acting as seller. The seller will confirm the payment has been received. The buyer may wish to send a message to notify the seller that the payment has been sent. (A confirmation of payment is always to be expected from a seller)
    Once payment has been received the seller will pack and ship your item/s. It is best selling practice for a member acting as seller to send a photograph of the postage receipt following dispatch and/or tracking information. Some sellers may also even include a photo of the package pre-dispatch. It is a good idea to confirm with the seller before-hand when agreeing upon the terms of the trade that they will send a photo of the postage receipt once your package has been dispatched.
    Once you receive your item/s it is worth taking the time to notify the seller that the package has been received safely.
    Now that payment has been made and item/s are received, both the buyer and the seller may exchange trading feedback. It is important to leave trading feedback for each trade completed, especially if the seller has provided a good service. The feedback system helps to facilitate a degree of safety and trust for members when seeking to purchase items from another member. If a member has received several positive feedback comments it is an indicator of how safe trading with them will be.
    The trade is complete.
    Please be aware that the steps provided are only a suggested example and it is entirely optional to follow them. The founder @ChrisSilver and The Silver Forum are not liable for the use or disuse of suggested guidance. Not all trades will be conducted in the exact manner as described in this guide but most will include similar steps in approximately the same order.
    6. To leave Trading Feedback, click on a member’s user image to navigate to their profile page or click their name in a message thread.

    Click the Trading Feedback tab and click the Add Feedback button

    Select the role you adopted in the trade: The Buyer, The Seller or Trading.
    Select whether your feedback is Positive or Negative and leave a Comment.
    In the Topic field type the title of the trade listing that you interacted with to purchase, exchange or sell an item/s.

    7. If you wish to conduct your own trade in the manner described above, assuming the role of The Seller, click the Start New Topic button to create your own listing. Please note that as a standard member you may only create one trade listing every thirty days. If a member wishes to increase the number of sales listings they are permitted to create, you may upgrade to a premium membership here.

    8. Enter a name for your listing in the Title box, click the +Add Tag button in the Prefix box and choose For Sale, For Exchange, For Sale or Exchange.

    9. Enter a full & detailed description including photographs, condition & price. You can use the Trade Listing Template provided as a pinned post at the top of the trade listing pages to fill the description box. Simply replace the example information with your own.


    10. Wanted listings are created in the same manner as described above. When clicking the Start New Topic button you have the option to select the Wanted prefix. Choose a title for the item/s you are looking for, select the Wanted prefix and fill the description with information relevant to what you are seeking.

    11. For Auction is the final type of trade listing you may engage with or create. The information provided in the description of a For Auction listing is the same as any For Sale, For Exchange, For Sale or Exchange listing with the addition of auction terms, a start/end date & time and includes a starting bid instead of a total item/s cost. Some auctions may have a reserve. If you wish to start your own auction it is recommended that you use the auction template provided as a pinned post at the top of the trade listing pages.

     
    F.A.Q

    1. Can I pay by paypal, what payment methods are accepted?
    It depends on each individual seller and it is entirely the seller’s choice what methods of payment are accepted. Some members accept paypal friends & family payments. Paypal goods & services payments incur a fee for transactions, some may accept this method but will expect you to pay the fee. Some members may accept crypto payments. Most payments on The Silver Forum are made via bank transfer.
    2. Do I pay for postage?
    This is decided by the individual seller and the details will be described in the listing generally. If the listing says including postage then it’s included, the service for an included postage offer will be the seller’s choice. Most sellers do not include postage. Most listings will state the total cost of item/s plus postage of buyers choice and risk which is paid for by you the buyer. The service used is entirely your choice. If you use a postal service that is not insured you may be at risk of financial loss if the item is lost in transit.
    3. Can I Contact a member about a trade listing directly in private?
    Yes. If you are interested in an item/s listed in the Buy & Sell trade section you can contact a member directly via private message. Note that some listings will state that comments have priority over pm's, which means comment first for place in the queue and the seller will then send you a private message. On a listing with this term described it is best to follow the protocol if you want a chance to get the item/s.
    4. What happens if I do not receive an item I purchased from another member?
    In the unlikely and unfortunate event that an item purchased from another member is not received, the first steps to take will be to notify the member acting as seller and request a proof of postage if not already provided at the time of dispatch. If the member can demonstrate the item has been sent and it is clear that it has been lost in transit you could request that they communicate with the courier in order to identify if the package is lost or delayed. If it is lost then the seller will be able to claim a refund as long as the postage method chosen was insured and proof of postage retained. If the postage method chosen was not insured and the terms of the trade negotiated were that the buyer assumes all risk and liability if they choose a postal method that is not insured then your options will be limited. A seller may in this circumstance do all they can to aid you but they are under no obligation to do so, nor is the founder @ChrisSilver or The Silver Forum liable or responsible for item/s lost in transit. Ensure before any payment is made that it’s agreed that the seller can provide proof of postage to avoid issues if this situation were to arise.
    5. What does it mean when a listing says the postage is of buyer’s choice and risk?
    This means that if you the buyer choose the postal service and you choose a service that is not insured then the seller is not responsible for loss or damage. Ensure the terms agreed are clear before purchase is made. Although problems are unlikely, you may wish to choose an insured service if you wish to eliminate the possibility of an issue. Only you, the member acting as buyer are responsible for the choice made.
     
    A final note on Trust
    Making a bank transfer to someone who is essentially a stranger for an item/s unseen in person that one hopes will be shipped in good faith by an individual can be daunting in a world where we are used to ebay and paypal buyer protections and secure credit card transactions.
    As individual members of The Silver Forum we find ourselves relying on community reputation, trading feedback and our own powers of discernment.
    In my personal opinion @billysilver the manner in which trades are conducted on The Silver Forum is the best way to deal human to human, it is in accordance with our inherent nature. If trust can be developed and built between two humans trading, then that relationship can extend further.
    Building relationships based on trust is a valuable and rare thing but certainly needed in the world we find ourselves living in today. Trust is especially needed between humans in general to be healthy and happy. We are social animals and we need to be able to trust one another, we are afforded an opportunity to do so here.
    Reciprocal trust between humans is an incredibly powerful thing.
    You can verify any member’s trading sales feedback by clicking a member name and viewing their profile. You can click the trading feedback tab on a member’s profile in order to view feedback for previous trades, this is an important part of instilling confidence when potentially engaging in a trade.
    From a member’s profile you may also note the length of time a user has been active and you can view how many posts they have made and how many reputation points they have. Community Reputation points are built from members engaging a post made with a reaction(Like, Love etc).
    Membership tier (silver, gold, platinum, platinum plus) can also be a factor to consider alongside reputation and trust but it's not a definitive reason to trust someone, just indicates how much someone has invested financially into the community.
    Dependence on outside agents and financial protections are what we are used to generally as consumers, this dependence is not necessary.
    How your interaction with an individual feels must certainly be one of the most important factors to pay attention to when trading. You are a capable human with your own mind. Trust your gut. Use your own powers of discernment and enjoy your stay at The Silver Forum.
    Thank You
     
    Disclaimer: The following applies to all Members/Sellers on the forum. Members trade at their own risk. The Silver Forum does not vet any members/sellers on the forum and neither the founder @ChrisSilver nor the forum is liable for any loss(es) that may result from trades. The founder @ChrisSilver and The Silver Forum also can not mediate any trades, this is between the two parties to discuss and resolve any issues that they might have.
    All guidance contained within this document is suggested and is not mandatory instruction given by the founder @ChrisSilver or The Silver Forum.
     Neither the founder @ChrisSilver or The Silver Forum are responsible for suggested guidance followed or not followed based on information contained here in.
    Opinions expressed are the personal opinions of @billysilver
  18. Like
    billysilver got a reaction from PenguinUK in Postage Advice for PM   
    Hi John,
    I've never known anyone to use anything other than Royal Mail for postage on the forum, I have neither sold using any other methods or purchased using any method other than RM.
    Note that only special delivery is fully insured for precious metals. Most people will be happy to assume the risk for one or two coins with Royal Mail signed for 1st or 2nd class. You're only obligated to make it clear in your listing, who assumes risk, what postage methods you are offering and who is paying for the postage.
    In the unlikely event of something getting lost after dispatch, if you've shipped via 1st or 2nd Class Signed For and it's been agreed at the time of the deal that you(the seller) assumes the risk, then you would be responsible for reimbursing the loss, most often times though, when 1st or 2nd class signed for postage is offered on a listing, it's stated that the buyer assumes the risk if they choose to accept such a means of postage, due to the fact that these services do not cover pm's, even though they are insured up to £50 and if the seller assumed the risk, theoretically, if the "tracking number" didn't update when received, an unscrupulous buyer could say they didn't receive the item and try and get the seller to refund them and the seller would be morally obliged to and would have no means of re-course with Royal Mail. I would be surprised to ever hear of such a thing occurring for two reasons though; 1. I've never had an item lost when selling or buying here and 2. Members here are not the type to behave in such a way as described in the former hypothetical.
    If you have access to a depot, you can send via Royal Mail Tracked 24 or 48, which is not a service available at The Post Office, once again though, these services are not insured for pm's, they are insured up to £100 for non pm's but one benefit of these services is they are fully tracked, unlike signed for, where the "tracking number" is updated upon receipt. This means a RM 24/48 item is not going to get lost.
    Regarding any option other than Special Delivery, in the event of a loss, you could attempt to claim the item is a collector's piece and you may get somewhere with that, I know I have read a thread that discussed this succeeding when a loss has occurred for them in the past but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't work on legal tender bullion, unless you got lucky.
    All being said, I don't know what fear-mongering dispatches was alluding to, I haven't seen terrestrial television for a long time, but as long as you are clear in the listing, who assumes risk and what services are available at the time of the deal and it is agreed between the two parties, you will be good to go.
    Check out my buying and selling guide, there may be some additional pointers that can help you when you decide to sell on the forum:
     
  19. Like
    billysilver reacted to LawrenceChard in Milk Spots on Silver Coins   
    I had never heard the term "milk spot" until the last year or two.
    I think I first became aware of it on TSF, where there seem be be lots of discussions and complaints about milk spots, mainly about British Royal Mint silver coins including some high premium proof coins, and also bullion coins like Britannias.

    This composite images shows milk spotting on a 2021 UK silver proof Queens's Beasts Black Bull of Clarence coin, one of 9 coins from a 10 coin Royal Mint set to feature this production defect.
    Of course, I have seen white spots on silver coins before, but had never called them milk spots, or heard anyone else call them that, until quite recently as I just mentioned.
    I can call to mind seeing a slight grey blue bloom on some silver proof crowns from 1980 and 1981. In the past, we have tried silver dipping a few coins, but with very poor results. I suspect that this bloom is caused by the same or a similar production problem.
    A quick search using Google will find many pages discussing the problem, but none which states its cause, although a few of the sites including YouTube videos seem to claim to explain the phenomenon and its cause, but fail to actually do so.
    A number of these sites mention that it might be caused by solvents or detergents used to clean the planchets (blanks). Some suggest PVC. Although PVC can and does cause some tarnishing, corrosion, or discoloration, I have never noticed it causing milk spots, so I think we can discount the PVC theory. My own thoughts were that it might be caused by oils or other lubricants, affecting either the blanks or the actual coins during the striking process.
    The Royal Canadian Mint is to be commended because, according to its website, it carried out research over about 4 years, and in 2018 introduced something called MintShield, which reduces , slows down, or helps to prevent milk spotting. It proudly states that it now incorporates MintShield into its silver bullion maples, and other silver coins. However...
    ... Disappointingly, the RCM fails to state clearly what causes the problem, what MintShield is or how exactly it works, stating it is a secret process. While I can understand it protecting its investment in research to develop the process, I feel I should deduct points for choosing to withhold the basic facts, namely what is milk spotting, and what causes it.
    As recently as yesterday, I asked our main Perth Mint contact what Perth Mint knew, as I cannot remember seeing it on their silver coins, although I feel sure somebody will have done.
    I received the following very prompt reply:
    Such spots are caused regularly by some small pollutions at the production process. TPM has made large efforts by cleaning the factory to prevent such spots.
    I will check if there is any further “official” statement available about that theme from TPM.
    Obviously, this does not explain everything we all want to know, but at least it is more than I have heard from any other mint, apart from the RCM as mentioned above. If I receive any further information, I will post it here.
     
     
     
  20. Thanks
    billysilver got a reaction from Wileyfox in Detailed Trading Guide - by billysilver   
    Detailed Trading Guide
     
    The following guide is provided as an example of how a trade between members may be conducted on The Silver Forum. The guide contains an outline of a trade and an example of how it may generally be conducted and includes some suggestions regarding best buying and selling practices and other information related to trading.
    This guide is primarily intended to help new members understand how to initiate and complete a purchase as a buyer from another member acting as seller in the Buy & Sell trade section of the forum. In addition it may also be referenced as a guide for a member conducting a sale.

    As a member you are limited to creating one trade listing every thirty days. If a member wishes to increase the number of sales listings they are permitted to create, you may upgrade to a Premium Membership here
    Upgrading to either a Silver, Gold, Platinum or Platinum PLUS Premium Membership provides a member with the ability to create unlimited trade listings and includes a whole host of other benefits such as access to premium trade listings three days earlier than all non-premium members. Premium listings are where the best deals are to be found. Purchasing a premium membership is a great way to support The Silver Forum. (Businesses need a Business Account available here)
    Before reading the information contained in this guide please make sure you have read and understand the Quickstart Guide:
    U.K Quickstart Guide
    U.S.A & Canada Quickstart Guide
    Please also ensure you have read and understand the forum rules, especially regarding trading and the risk of trading on The Silver Forum:
    Forum Rules
    Please pay attention to Section 7. Guidelines on Trading (Buying and Selling) and ensure you fully comprehend Section 7.4. Risk of Trading. It is essential that all new members read and understand this before trading on the forum.
    Disclaimer: The following applies to all Members/Sellers on the forum. Members trade at their own risk. The Silver Forum does not vet any members/sellers on the forum and neither the founder @ChrisSilver nor the forum is liable for any loss(es) that may result from trades. The founder @ChrisSilver and The Silver Forum also can not mediate any trades, this is between the two parties to discuss and resolve any issues that they might have.
     
     
    A quick summary of how a trade may be conducted on The Silver Forum

    1. A member acting as seller lists an item in the Buy & Sell trade section with a price, postage options and photos. Interested members leave a comment on the listing and then a private message will be generally initiated by The Seller. Some listings will state, comments have priority over pm's, which means comment first for a place in the queue and The Seller will then send you a private message.

    2. The terms of sale, total cost (item/s plus postage) and payment method will be discussed and agreed between The Buyer & The Seller via private message.

    3. The Buyer makes payment and provides name and address.

    4. The Seller confirms receipt of payment (best selling practice).

    5. The Seller dispatches item and provides verification (best selling practice).

    6. The Buyer receives item/s, fills bath with silver and/or gold and swims in their bullion like Scrooge McDuck.

    7. The Buyer notifies The Seller that item/items have been received (best buying practice).

    8. Members exchange trading feedback.

    9. Trade is complete.

    Please be aware that the steps provided are only a suggested example and it is entirely optional to follow them. The founder @ChrisSilver and The Silver Forum are not liable for the use or disuse of suggested guidance. Not all trades will be conducted in the exact manner as described in this guide but most will include similar steps in approximately the same order.
     
     
    Detailed Trading Guide

    1. Items listed by members on The Silver Forum can be found by clicking/hovering over the Buy & Sell tab and selecting the region or category relevant to you.

    2. If a region is selected you will be presented with two sub-categories separately listing items (Ungraded) & (Graded Only). Ungraded contains listings for bars, medals, coins (Bullion, BU, Proof, Ungraded) & other non graded precious metals. Graded contains listings for precious metal items that have been graded and slabbed.

    3. Now that you have selected Ungraded or Graded Only you will be presented with Page 1 of the trade listings for your selected sub-category. On the first page you will find pinned posts followed by all trade listings created by members of The Silver Forum.

    4. There are 5 types of Trade Listings: For Sale, For Exchange, For Sale or Exchange, For Auction, Wanted.

    If one of these tags is used on a listing by a top tier premium member, the tag will be followed with (by platinum member).

    A tag is required for any item listed. We will discuss For Auction & Wanted listings later but for now we will only be concerned with conducting a trade for items tagged For Sale, For Exchange and For Sale or Exchange.
    Listings tagged Completed, Withdrawn or Closed are no longer available. Please note that the Closed tag is only used when a topic is automatically closed or if it is manually closed by moderators and should not be used by members. Only use Completed and Withdrawn tags to end a listing you have created.

    5. Trades for all listings tagged For Sale, For Exchange and For Sale or Exchange may be conducted in the same way.
    Scroll through the listings until you find something you are interested in. Now that you have found a listing with an item/s that you would like to purchase you may wish to proceed as follows:
    Leave a comment on the listing, stating your interest in the item/s listed and await a response from the member acting as Seller. A seller may have multiple items available on one listing, mention which one/s you have an interest in.
    The seller will usually “like” your comment and/or send you a private message where the details and terms of the trade will be discussed. (The envelope icon at the top right of the page will display a notification if you have received a message)
    Both members will agree upon the terms of the trade which will include the postage choice, payment method and total cost. You may also wish to verify expected dispatch time and clarify the intended measures a member will use to ensure the item/s are well packaged and protected. It is a good idea to establish that the seller can provide proof of postage. When agreeing terms, before payment is made, clarify who is responsible for any loss incurred in the unfortunate and unlikely event that a package is not received.
    Once all terms have been agreed upon, the buyer will make payment to the member acting as seller. The seller will confirm the payment has been received. The buyer may wish to send a message to notify the seller that the payment has been sent. (A confirmation of payment is always to be expected from a seller)
    Once payment has been received the seller will pack and ship your item/s. It is best selling practice for a member acting as seller to send a photograph of the postage receipt following dispatch and/or tracking information. Some sellers may also even include a photo of the package pre-dispatch. It is a good idea to confirm with the seller before-hand when agreeing upon the terms of the trade that they will send a photo of the postage receipt once your package has been dispatched.
    Once you receive your item/s it is worth taking the time to notify the seller that the package has been received safely.
    Now that payment has been made and item/s are received, both the buyer and the seller may exchange trading feedback. It is important to leave trading feedback for each trade completed, especially if the seller has provided a good service. The feedback system helps to facilitate a degree of safety and trust for members when seeking to purchase items from another member. If a member has received several positive feedback comments it is an indicator of how safe trading with them will be.
    The trade is complete.
    Please be aware that the steps provided are only a suggested example and it is entirely optional to follow them. The founder @ChrisSilver and The Silver Forum are not liable for the use or disuse of suggested guidance. Not all trades will be conducted in the exact manner as described in this guide but most will include similar steps in approximately the same order.
    6. To leave Trading Feedback, click on a member’s user image to navigate to their profile page or click their name in a message thread.

    Click the Trading Feedback tab and click the Add Feedback button

    Select the role you adopted in the trade: The Buyer, The Seller or Trading.
    Select whether your feedback is Positive or Negative and leave a Comment.
    In the Topic field type the title of the trade listing that you interacted with to purchase, exchange or sell an item/s.

    7. If you wish to conduct your own trade in the manner described above, assuming the role of The Seller, click the Start New Topic button to create your own listing. Please note that as a standard member you may only create one trade listing every thirty days. If a member wishes to increase the number of sales listings they are permitted to create, you may upgrade to a premium membership here.

    8. Enter a name for your listing in the Title box, click the +Add Tag button in the Prefix box and choose For Sale, For Exchange, For Sale or Exchange.

    9. Enter a full & detailed description including photographs, condition & price. You can use the Trade Listing Template provided as a pinned post at the top of the trade listing pages to fill the description box. Simply replace the example information with your own.


    10. Wanted listings are created in the same manner as described above. When clicking the Start New Topic button you have the option to select the Wanted prefix. Choose a title for the item/s you are looking for, select the Wanted prefix and fill the description with information relevant to what you are seeking.

    11. For Auction is the final type of trade listing you may engage with or create. The information provided in the description of a For Auction listing is the same as any For Sale, For Exchange, For Sale or Exchange listing with the addition of auction terms, a start/end date & time and includes a starting bid instead of a total item/s cost. Some auctions may have a reserve. If you wish to start your own auction it is recommended that you use the auction template provided as a pinned post at the top of the trade listing pages.

     
    F.A.Q

    1. Can I pay by paypal, what payment methods are accepted?
    It depends on each individual seller and it is entirely the seller’s choice what methods of payment are accepted. Some members accept paypal friends & family payments. Paypal goods & services payments incur a fee for transactions, some may accept this method but will expect you to pay the fee. Some members may accept crypto payments. Most payments on The Silver Forum are made via bank transfer.
    2. Do I pay for postage?
    This is decided by the individual seller and the details will be described in the listing generally. If the listing says including postage then it’s included, the service for an included postage offer will be the seller’s choice. Most sellers do not include postage. Most listings will state the total cost of item/s plus postage of buyers choice and risk which is paid for by you the buyer. The service used is entirely your choice. If you use a postal service that is not insured you may be at risk of financial loss if the item is lost in transit.
    3. Can I Contact a member about a trade listing directly in private?
    Yes. If you are interested in an item/s listed in the Buy & Sell trade section you can contact a member directly via private message. Note that some listings will state that comments have priority over pm's, which means comment first for place in the queue and the seller will then send you a private message. On a listing with this term described it is best to follow the protocol if you want a chance to get the item/s.
    4. What happens if I do not receive an item I purchased from another member?
    In the unlikely and unfortunate event that an item purchased from another member is not received, the first steps to take will be to notify the member acting as seller and request a proof of postage if not already provided at the time of dispatch. If the member can demonstrate the item has been sent and it is clear that it has been lost in transit you could request that they communicate with the courier in order to identify if the package is lost or delayed. If it is lost then the seller will be able to claim a refund as long as the postage method chosen was insured and proof of postage retained. If the postage method chosen was not insured and the terms of the trade negotiated were that the buyer assumes all risk and liability if they choose a postal method that is not insured then your options will be limited. A seller may in this circumstance do all they can to aid you but they are under no obligation to do so, nor is the founder @ChrisSilver or The Silver Forum liable or responsible for item/s lost in transit. Ensure before any payment is made that it’s agreed that the seller can provide proof of postage to avoid issues if this situation were to arise.
    5. What does it mean when a listing says the postage is of buyer’s choice and risk?
    This means that if you the buyer choose the postal service and you choose a service that is not insured then the seller is not responsible for loss or damage. Ensure the terms agreed are clear before purchase is made. Although problems are unlikely, you may wish to choose an insured service if you wish to eliminate the possibility of an issue. Only you, the member acting as buyer are responsible for the choice made.
     
    A final note on Trust
    Making a bank transfer to someone who is essentially a stranger for an item/s unseen in person that one hopes will be shipped in good faith by an individual can be daunting in a world where we are used to ebay and paypal buyer protections and secure credit card transactions.
    As individual members of The Silver Forum we find ourselves relying on community reputation, trading feedback and our own powers of discernment.
    In my personal opinion @billysilver the manner in which trades are conducted on The Silver Forum is the best way to deal human to human, it is in accordance with our inherent nature. If trust can be developed and built between two humans trading, then that relationship can extend further.
    Building relationships based on trust is a valuable and rare thing but certainly needed in the world we find ourselves living in today. Trust is especially needed between humans in general to be healthy and happy. We are social animals and we need to be able to trust one another, we are afforded an opportunity to do so here.
    Reciprocal trust between humans is an incredibly powerful thing.
    You can verify any member’s trading sales feedback by clicking a member name and viewing their profile. You can click the trading feedback tab on a member’s profile in order to view feedback for previous trades, this is an important part of instilling confidence when potentially engaging in a trade.
    From a member’s profile you may also note the length of time a user has been active and you can view how many posts they have made and how many reputation points they have. Community Reputation points are built from members engaging a post made with a reaction(Like, Love etc).
    Membership tier (silver, gold, platinum, platinum plus) can also be a factor to consider alongside reputation and trust but it's not a definitive reason to trust someone, just indicates how much someone has invested financially into the community.
    Dependence on outside agents and financial protections are what we are used to generally as consumers, this dependence is not necessary.
    How your interaction with an individual feels must certainly be one of the most important factors to pay attention to when trading. You are a capable human with your own mind. Trust your gut. Use your own powers of discernment and enjoy your stay at The Silver Forum.
    Thank You
     
    Disclaimer: The following applies to all Members/Sellers on the forum. Members trade at their own risk. The Silver Forum does not vet any members/sellers on the forum and neither the founder @ChrisSilver nor the forum is liable for any loss(es) that may result from trades. The founder @ChrisSilver and The Silver Forum also can not mediate any trades, this is between the two parties to discuss and resolve any issues that they might have.
    All guidance contained within this document is suggested and is not mandatory instruction given by the founder @ChrisSilver or The Silver Forum.
     Neither the founder @ChrisSilver or The Silver Forum are responsible for suggested guidance followed or not followed based on information contained here in.
    Opinions expressed are the personal opinions of @billysilver
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    billysilver reacted to Pete in Buying Silver Under the Radar   
    Needing to source some recent issues I was comparing prices for say the 2021 silver Maple.
    The lowest price I could find in the UK was £30.49 including shipping.
    GS.be show this for £20.75
    Unfortunately the shipping and VAT distort things so I was wondering if anyone has been able to buy a single coin ( or a small order ) from anyone in the EU and succeeded in receiving your coin(s) without VAT and handling charges.
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    billysilver got a reaction from John79 in Postage Advice for PM   
    I'm receiving a signal at this very moment.... 👽
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    billysilver reacted to morezone in IGNORE   
    You have posted in a public forum.  We will not delete threads or remove them from public view unless it contravenes the forums T&Cs.
    Your original post has been reinstated in order to keep the replies in context and coherent.
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    billysilver reacted to Shep in IGNORE   
    You accidentally wrote it and then both agreed on it, and then even after that you’ve made the payment at the final agreed price of £450?
    Doesn’t really read like it was an accident, it reads like you’ve changed your mind after the fact.
    Dont go back on a deal that has been made and finalised. Reputation is everything on here, honour the deal you’ve made.
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    billysilver got a reaction from LawrenceChard in Postage Advice for PM   
    I'm receiving a signal at this very moment.... 👽
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