What PM will perform well during the rise of electric cars?

[CollectorNo1]

On 18/10/2021 at 18:42, MrTT said:

Silver , copper , lithium 

For the batteries....

[paulmerton]

4 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

What was the original topic title?

Which Paul Merton will perform well during the rise of electric cars.

[CollectorNo1]

I think with use of PM's of all kinds in the manufacture of EV's in the future will lead to an increase in car crimes for the metals...you only have to look at the high crime rate for knobheads jacking up cars to get to the Platinum out of  the cat converters....the more PM's that go into the manufacturing of electric cars..the more cars are going to be jacked for their metal components...we shall see in years to come.....

[LawrenceChard]

4 hours ago, CANV said:

The tipping point will be when they ‘MAKE’ petrol too expensive for the plebs..   take all the tax off and see where the real power per pound is for the ability to drive around the country.   It’s not electricity 

I think it is fairly well known that 75% of the UK price of petrol and diesel is tax, and without tax, the cost would be very similar to that of electricity. 

Electricity is of course, much cleaner at the point of use than hydrocarbons, and can be generated cleanly, despite production and demand not being in synch with each other. I am sure that much of this imbalance problem will be solved eventually.

It is already known that the Exchequer has started to lose tax revenue by the switch from taxed hydrocarbons to untaxed electricity. This will only progress until the hydrocarbon fuel tax take dwindles to zero.

[LawrenceChard]

2 hours ago, CollectorNo1 said:

I think with use of PM's of all kinds in the manufacture of EV's in the future will lead to an increase in car crimes for the metals...you only have to look at the high crime rate for knobheads jacking up cars to get to the Platinum out of  the cat converters....the more PM's that go into the manufacturing of electric cars..the more cars are going to be jacked for their metal components...we shall see in years to come.....

At least the theft of petrol and diesel will decline with the uptake of electric vehicles, although probably not for a few years yet.

[LawrenceChard]

3 hours ago, CANV said:

or a 15 k diesel ford for at least the next 5 years that will do 30k miles a year at 50 mpg. . these electric things are only remotely viable due to tax..  thats tax on petrol, diesel and road tax..  

Yes it is the future. or hydrogen is, or something else. its all very VHS Betamax at the moment  

no one has costed the environmental damage of batteries for cars..  although the manufacturing process for the overall car is far simpler 

my concern is thats its the least well off that get priced out of nation wide mobility in the rush to save 0.001 per cent of the carbon output of the humans on this planet. 

The least well off can't afford a car at all, and have to cycle or walk. 😎

(I have ignored public transport).

[HerefordBullyun]

https://www.express.co.uk/finance/city/1508536/copper-market-news-price-collapse-london-metal-exchange-emergency

Makes you wonder and think why Gold and silver isnt rocketing......?

[dicker]

21 hours ago, LawrenceChard said:

The least well off can't afford a car at all, and have to cycle or walk. 😎

(I have ignored public transport).

And are healthier for it!

[CollectorNo1]

 

Electric cars I believe first introduced in America in the 1920's...so not a new concept....only problem is we would have to have a ceiling cage to produce the electricity to the car through a conductor....any ideas.😆😆

Dodgems, or bumper cars, are small, electric- powered vehicles often found at amusement parks and fairs. Each car runs on electricity, with a motor powering a main drive wheel. ... Each dodgem is surrounded by a rubber bumper that offers passengers some cushioning from impacts.

[HerefordBullyun]

4 minutes ago, CollectorNo1 said:

 

Electric cars I believe first introduced in America in the 1920's...so not a new concept....only problem is we would have to have a ceiling cage to produce the electricity to the car through a conductor....any ideas.😆😆

Dodgems, or bumper cars, are small, electric- powered vehicles often found at amusement parks and fairs. Each car runs on electricity, with a motor powering a main drive wheel. ... Each dodgem is surrounded by a rubber bumper that offers passengers some cushioning from impacts.

Toil foil hats on water powered car.....

https://anonhq.com/inventors-killed/

[LawrenceChard]

19 minutes ago, CollectorNo1 said:

 

Electric cars I believe first introduced in America in the 1920's...so not a new concept....only problem is we would have to have a ceiling cage to produce the electricity to the car through a conductor....any ideas.😆😆

Dodgems, or bumper cars, are small, electric- powered vehicles often found at amusement parks and fairs. Each car runs on electricity, with a motor powering a main drive wheel. ... Each dodgem is surrounded by a rubber bumper that offers passengers some cushioning from impacts.

 

Much earlier:

In 1884 Thomas Parker built the first electric production car in London that used his own high-capacity rechargeable batteries.

That was followed, in 1889-1891, by William Morrison introducing a very simple electric wagon to the USA.

 Ferdinand Porsche started the Porsche brand with an electric car? In 1898, Ferdinand Porsche created the Egger-Lohner C.2 Phaeton, a vehicle that was powered by hub-mounted motors that drove the wheels. 

[Bigmarc]

There is two ways you can read this report. Is hydrogen the real future? 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59244991.amp

 

 

[Spark268]

likely yes - hydrogen was a part of the past....

[StackemHigh]

How much of the electricity used will be clean energy? I would have thought that much of todays power will still be Gas or Coal.

[paulmerton]

5 minutes ago, StackemHigh said:

How much of the electricity used will be clean energy? I would have thought that much of todays power will still be Gas or Coal.

Assuming everyone will be using the national grid to charge their cars, this is the current status.

Its looks promising, as fossil fuels stood at about 54% five years ago - and it's only going to get better if the goal is to eliminate fossil fuel use entirely by 2035.

[StackemHigh]

20 minutes ago, paulmerton said:

Assuming everyone will be using the national grid to charge their cars, this is the current status.

Its looks promising, as fossil fuels stood at about 54% five years ago - and it's only going to get better if the goal is to eliminate fossil fuel use entirely by 2035.

I fail to see how this can be true! The UK still has 3 coal powered power stations one in northern ireland and two in england! These three produce nearly 5GW of power. With the gas powered stations there must be between 20 or 30 of them. 

[paulmerton]

1 minute ago, StackemHigh said:

I fail to see how this can be true! The UK still has 3 coal powered power stations one in northern ireland and two in england! These three produce nearly 5GW of power. With the gas powered stations there must be between 20 or 30 of them. 

The coal ones probably aren't being used right now.

[StevenDS]

I would guess Electric is going to fail. Charging time too long. Performance sucks, even more so during winter time.

I'm betting hydrogen will take over which will allow a PM play.

[Bigmarc]

14 minutes ago, StevenDS said:

I would guess Electric is going to fail. Charging time too long. Performance sucks, even more so during winter time.

I'm betting hydrogen will take over which will allow a PM play.

I've been thinking this, I work in the motoring industry any we are on a car scheme. The only thing available at the moment is electric (at the cheap end). This is mainly due to the chip shortage so they must use different chips. I would say 90% of the people have handed them back, they are just not practical for long distances. Personally I feel like this is the mini disc of the current time. A great move forward until CDs came out.

 

[Bigmarc]

This illustration popped up on my feed today. Thought of this thread any thoughts on long term problems or bonuses.