Blehhhh talks about bullion dealer's prices

[Blehhhh]

3 minutes ago, sovereignsteve said:

I doubt anyone can be arsed tbh, but if want to look go ahead.

That coin is a bit non mainstream for a bullion coin.

Are you looking in order to buy or just stirring things up. 

Too much time on everyone's hands I guess😉

No I am looking to buy....

I have been waiting for a bigger dip, but may just pull the trigger. 

 

[sovereignsteve]

3 minutes ago, Blehhhh said:

No I am looking to buy....

I have been waiting for a bigger dip, but may just pull the trigger. 

 

Buying gold is always fun

[Darr3nG]

14 minutes ago, Blehhhh said:

I'm considering buying a Mexican 50 gold Pesos today

I think this may be my next Gold purchase too - beautiful chunk of coinage!

Check out @BackyardBullion's recent video [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3qO5Y3Ogf8] - had me drooling...  

 

[Blehhhh]

3 minutes ago, Darr3nG said:

I think this may be my next Gold purchase too - beautiful chunk of coinage!

Check out @BackyardBullion's recent video [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3qO5Y3Ogf8] - had me drooling...  

 

Yeah, Ive seen it. 🤣

Was already thinking about getting it, but this swayed me.

[LawrenceChard]

14 hours ago, Blehhhh said:

Chards list 1kg bars at 443, although they are not showing in stock now.

https://www.chards.co.uk/1kg-vat-free-silver-new-bar-metalor/10164

I don't know why but when bars were in stock in chards the price was even higher I think.

I don't know if there is any reason to pay more for one bar personally but others can correct me.

 

I originally provided 3 links, the one you have quoted above is for storage in Guernsey, which I did specify, and also mentioned that it was showing "out of stock", but that they could be made available. 

All our kilo bar stock is currently located in one of our Blackpool strongrooms, if anyone wanted a worthwhile quantity, we would ship some, probably 100 to Guernsey, but at present we do not intend to make any unnecessary physical stock movements, for obvious reasons (Covid). 

This may also explain why you saw a higher price, if you were looking at one of our "In Stock" links. 

With regard to "any reason to pay more for one bar", you consider it the other way round, as "any reason to pay less for more than one bar". 

It is almost universal, with a few exceptions, for traders to offer lower prices for quantity purchases. Almost everybody in the whole world knows this, and it is generally accepted by everybody, with the possible exception of a few extremist socialists (politics again!). If you have a problem understanding why, any good book on economics would clarify things. 

As a quick, over-simplified example, try going to your local hardware shop and asking to buy 1 small screw, or to a supermarket and trying to buy one prawn. 

As you mention differential prices between the same item depending whether it is in or out of stock. While it could happen, this is not something we practice, although we do have suspicions that one, possibly two, of our major UK competitors do this. We intend to carry out a more detailed and thorough market intelligence investigation when we have more time, although @Darr3nG might find it an interesting challenge. 

[Blehhhh]

25 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

I originally provided 3 links, the one you have quoted above is for storage in Guernsey, which I did specify, and also mentioned that it was showing "out of stock", but that they could be made available. 

All our kilo bar stock is currently located in one of our Blackpool strongrooms, if anyone wanted a worthwhile quantity, we would ship some, probably 100 to Guernsey, but at present we do not intend to make any unnecessary physical stock movements, for obvious reasons (Covid). 

This may also explain why you saw a higher price, if you were looking at one of our "In Stock" links. 

With regard to "any reason to pay more for one bar", you consider it the other way round, as "any reason to pay less for more than one bar". 

It is almost universal, with a few exceptions, for traders to offer lower prices for quantity purchases. Almost everybody in the whole world knows this, and it is generally accepted by everybody, with the possible exception of a few extremist socialists (politics again!). If you have a problem understanding why, any good book on economics would clarify things. 

As a quick, over-simplified example, try going to your local hardware shop and asking to buy 1 small screw, or to a supermarket and trying to buy one prawn. 

As you mention differential prices between the same item depending whether it is in or out of stock. While it could happen, this is not something we practice, although we do have suspicions that one, possibly two, of our major UK competitors do this. We intend to carry out a more detailed and thorough market intelligence investigation when we have more time, although @Darr3nG might find it an interesting challenge. 

You misunderstood my comment. What I meant when I said one bar over another was is it worth paying a premium on one silver bar brand over another silver bar brand, of same weight content.

On the out of stock products, the only prices you beat Bairds on are for items that are not in stock and cant be purchased, so it seems relevant.

[LawrenceChard]

21 minutes ago, Blehhhh said:

You misunderstood my comment. What I meant when I said one bar over another was is it worth paying a premium on one silver bar brand over another silver bar brand, of same weight content.

On the out of stock products, the only prices you beat Bairds on are for items that are not in stock and cant be purchased, so it seems relevant.

But you did not say " one bar over another", or I would have understood perfectly.

What you said was "I don't know if there is any reason to pay more for one bar personally but others can correct me.", which I think most people would interpret the same way as I did. There did not appear to be any ambiguity in what you said, or I would have noticed, and probably allowed for it. It seems there was a difference between what you said and what you intended to say. Although I do manage it at times, I do not claim much expertise as a mind reader.

I happen to be highly tuned to and for ambiguity in communication. It comes very naturally to me. There are two main reasons for doing this. The most important one is to ensure that the transmitter and receiver of any communication have the exact same understanding of it. This is something that good lawyers do, and I also try to do the same.

There is another reason I tune in to ambiguity. It can be great fun, and it is something that most comedians are intensively aware of, because a lot of humour relies on it. I like good humour, and love word play. Two of the things which distinguish us humans from other animals are language and music.

[daca]

Telling a professional PM dealer how to conduct his business is like instruction your surgeon how to perform brain surgery .

 

@LawrenceChard  I know the professional in you is trying to help the forums newest(ish) members, sadly some are just to far gone.

 

Here is my answer to such a member.

 

[silverdocket]

Forget about the jcb send in the bulldozer... . Lol 😂

[LawrenceChard]

36 minutes ago, daca said:

Telling a professional PM dealer how to conduct his business is like instruction your surgeon how to perform brain surgery .

 

@LawrenceChard  I know the professional in you is trying to help the forums newest(ish) members, sadly some are just to far gone.

 

Here is my answer to such a member.

 

Thanks for the helpful suggestion.

A day or so ago, I also received a private message from a fellow member, apologising for the "rude members".

I replied that I can be sensitive to some things on some occsions, but that I was enjoying the discussions, so I was happy to continue.

[Blehhhh]

18 hours ago, Blehhhh said:

Thanks for your time to move thread and sorry to derail.

Chards list 1kg bars at 443, although they are not showing in stock now.

https://www.chards.co.uk/1kg-vat-free-silver-new-bar-metalor/10164

Baird's have 1kg bars at 435.

https://www.bairdmint.com/products/1kg-silver-cast-bar

I don't know why but when bars were in stock in chards the price was even higher I think.

I don't know if there is any reason to pay more for one bar personally but others can correct me.

Anyway, sorry typing this from phone which is not ideal. Can do better tomorrow.

 

@LawrenceChard, I can see how if you take one line from my post it can be interpreted wrongly. But if you take the whole post in context, its much clearer I was comparing the bar brands. I wasnt sure if there was any reason to pay extra at Chards for a different model bar, when same weight is offered cheaper at Bairds.

But its just a misunderstanding, no big deal. It happens when we are trying to use a forum to communicate.

Original point was that Bairds offer better prices pretty much on everything( at this point in time), I stand by that. I didnt intend to create a thread on it but just highlight to you in that post.

[Blehhhh]

2 hours ago, cinereus said:

I think Blehhh is getting some unfair stick. He's been very clear (as has Lawrence) that Chard's are better than most of the competition.

However he's also been clear that Baird's are marginally cheaper for most products.

Thank you, jeez.

I think some guys have shares in Chards 🤣

[Kman]

3 hours ago, cinereus said:

I think Blehhh is getting some unfair stick. He's been very clear (as has Lawrence) that Chard's are better than most of the competition.

However he's also been clear that Baird's are marginally cheaper for most products.

I don't think think anyone would enjoy being on the forum if they're being hen pecked about their businesses pricing

This is all directly quoted from the first page

 "you guys have to catch up with Bairds who are around 25- 27 percent. Come on Lawrence, sort it out for us" 

"Bairds are consistently beating you on everything."

"But you need to match Bairds, no excuses"

"...Its the prices that matter and Bairds are beating Chards on just about everything. As a noob I thought you guys would try to at least match."

I know I'm plucking them out from around maybe softer words and a "😛" or two but it's still rude, no way around it

[Blehhhh]

12 minutes ago, Kman said:

I don't think think anyone would enjoy being on the forum if they're being hen pecked about their businesses pricing

This is all directly quoted from the first page

 "you guys have to catch up with Bairds who are around 25- 27 percent. Come on Lawrence, sort it out for us" 

"Bairds are consistently beating you on everything."

"But you need to match Bairds, no excuses"

"...Its the prices that matter and Bairds are beating Chards on just about everything. As a noob I thought you guys would try to at least match."

I know I'm plucking them out from around maybe softer words and a "😛" or two but it's still rude, no way around it

Are you Fox news?. I think the overall tone of my posts have been respectful. Selecting snippets is a bit unfair.

Anyway, I am sure part of the benefit of being on the forum is to promote the business for Chards. Im sorry, but surely it has to go both ways. My comment on price was fair and based on reality.

 

[LawrenceChard]

1 hour ago, Blehhhh said:

Thank you, jeez.

I think some guys have shares in Chards 🤣

OK guys, who ratted?

[LawrenceChard]

18 minutes ago, Kman said:

I don't think think anyone would enjoy being on the forum if they're being hen pecked about their businesses pricing

This is all directly quoted from the first page

 "you guys have to catch up with Bairds who are around 25- 27 percent. Come on Lawrence, sort it out for us" 

"Bairds are consistently beating you on everything."

"But you need to match Bairds, no excuses"

"...Its the prices that matter and Bairds are beating Chards on just about everything. As a noob I thought you guys would try to at least match."

I know I'm plucking them out from around maybe softer words and a "😛" or two but it's still rude, no way around it

I've heard a lot worse on Blackpool Promenade.

[Kman]

14 minutes ago, Blehhhh said:

Are you Fox news?. I think the overall tone of my posts have been respectful. Selecting snippets is a bit unfair.

If I write a love letter to someone, it's 1000 words of poetry telling them how incredible they are

If I slip in "you're getting a bit chubby for my liking though" somewhere in the letter, what do you think will stand out? it will make the rest of the words pointless, I might as well have just written "you're fat" and left it at that

You can write nice words around "you need to lower prices" you need to lower prices" you need to lower prices"

But all that's important is you're being rude telling someone how to price their products, when they didn't ask for your opinion

[SilverPirate007]

2 minutes ago, Kman said:

If I write a love letter to someone, it's 1000 words of poetry telling them how incredible they are

If I slip in "you're getting a bit chubby for my liking though" somewhere in the letter, what do you think will stand out? it will make the rest of the words pointless, I might as well have just written "you're fat" and left it at that

You can write nice words around "you need to lower prices" you need to lower prices" you need to lower prices"

But all that's important is you're being rude telling someone how to price their products, when they didn't ask for your opinion

Great post but a tad out of context. Feedback is best delivered with positive elements first and last.

[Kman]

1 minute ago, SilverPirate007 said:

Great post but a tad out of context. Feedback is best delivered with positive elements first and last.

I picked out the rude elements and was told it wasn't rude because I was selecting snippets

[Blehhhh]

8 minutes ago, Kman said:

If I write a love letter to someone, it's 1000 words of poetry telling them how incredible they are

If I slip in "you're getting a bit chubby for my liking though" somewhere in the letter, what do you think will stand out? it will make the rest of the words pointless, I might as well have just written "you're fat" and left it at that

You can write nice words around "you need to lower prices" you need to lower prices" you need to lower prices"

But all that's important is you're being rude telling someone how to price their products, when they didn't ask for your opinion

Well the whole point of my posts was to question why Chards prices were significantly more than Bairds,

There is no real nice way to ask an awkward question. I have done this direct to suppliers before and they will often match( not bullion but in other fields ).

Anyway, can we just end this thread now. I feel like I need to keep answering but am not enjoying all the angry comments and criticism at this point. Best to leave it lie. I appreciate the wealth of knowledge in this forum and dont want to annoy any more people.

 

[Kman]

yep no hard feelings, just would have felt amiss to not comment 

 

 

[silverdocket]

@LawrenceChard I bet your site has had more traffic in the last 24 hours lol 

That's always good 😊

[sovereignsteve]

31 minutes ago, Blehhhh said:

Well the whole point of my posts was to question why Chards prices were significantly more than Bairds,

I don't have shares in Chards nor am I a fanboy, but at the end of the day, it's none of your business. They are what they are, take them or leave them.

[LawrenceChard]

2 hours ago, Blehhhh said:

Are you Fox news?.

Now there is an accusation, or at least an accusatory question.

Fox News' motto is "Fair and Balanced", which is one of the most blatant pieces of propaganda I have ever heard, "Fairly Unbalanced" would be slightly closer. Totally fake news is getting much closer.

How about some anagrams?

"And a Facile Brand"

"A Darn Bald Fiance"

"Ran a Blind Facade"

A Nil Brand Facade"

"And a Rancid Fable"

"A Failed Narc Band"

"Can a Failed Brand"

"Clean Band Afraid"

"Afraid? - Bend a Clan"

"Fanned Bad Racial"

As John Cleese said more than once "Stop!, this is getting too silly"...

[Blehhhh]

58 minutes ago, sovereignsteve said:

I don't have shares in Chards nor am I a fanboy, but at the end of the day, it's none of your business. They are what they are, take them or leave them.

As a consumer of course its your business.

Lets agree to disagree.