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Technically then, that’s 3 ladies in the raw. Be careful what images you store on your electrical devices 😁 

No idea 🤷‍♂️ Maybe another month. Might depend on customs and which flight it gets on 😂 
I’ll probably keep mine anyway. 

Welcome to the conversation @Allgoldcoins which rounds off my participation rather nicely because I bought my 4 coin box set from you!

Ok ebay just sell one set for 5225GBP it describe only a slight tarnish on the half sovereign .i think it can be a new price location

Mine have still not appeared on the system - I also called just to check and they said they had a huge backlog of submissions. Not sure if this will effect the First Release designation if you chose that or not but with current turnarounds, prob looking to get coins back in June sometime. Curse all these new first time graders slowing things down for us regulars  

That was my viewpoint when I started collecting coins, but I can see both arguments. I think I will get any gold coins (that I go on to sell) graded first. That removes any potential dispute between buyer and seller as to the condition of the coin, because it’s already been graded by a professional company.  
I know you buy and sell a lot of coins, including graded ones, so I guess that your business is purely business and nothing to do with your personal opinion. Would it be fair to say that your graded coins sell for more money than raw ones, or is it solely down to what coin you’re selling (graded or raw) and the price being right of course?  

Good condition ones must be hard to find then? That’s why they sell for a lot of money I suppose, when they come up for sale. 

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conservation is 4% of the value of the coin - so if you said the coin is worth £2000 then conservation is £80
for first release label you can have conservation done - it’s the date NGC received the coin
You need an extra thick holder
I send in the capsule only with the capsule labelled with the submission form number followed by the number the coin is listed on the form
Steve
 

Thanks for letting me know the prices. It gives me a baseline to go on should I grade mine. I’m not sure how much the bullion price would have on special design year numismatic coins, but I think 69 grades at best must be normal for proofs over 30 years old. I would pay extra for conservation in the hope of achieving a 70 with one of them.

Always conserve - yea its a few quid but the delta between a 68-->69 and a 69-->70 is huge on this coin.
I conserve everything I send off for grading - on most coins its just a few quid although appreciate its maybe £80 on this one from what people are saying.

One-two weeks to fly to Florida and get registered maybe? 
Then it depends if you conserve and I believe that takes an additional 30 days on top of the normal 30 days. So the ones that come back soonest  might not be conserved and we will see the early ratios of 69:70, then a month later another ratio of 69:70 for conserved coins perhaps 🤔 
Then once graded it might raked another one-two weeks to fly home. Then another week for NGC London to post it back to you.
I think my most recent direct submission was 13 weeks with conservation. Got a PF70, happy🐰 
I posted my 3G coin off on Monday 8th March, so hope to get it back around 7th-14 June.
Yes I expect it to take that long. 😢 

No problem for members to discuss grading, as long as not advertising 3rd party grading services off of the forum.  

Many members choose to grade themselves directly with NGC / PCGS, there is no need to necessarily use a company to grade for you. And it is a myth that you can receive a higher grade if grading via a 3rd party. 

Note that unfortunately the TSF label is not available if you grade directly with NGC and is only available via COR. Also note the £13 per form grading fee when grading directly with NGC. So grading directly for smaller quantities of coins can work out more expensive than going via @CoinsOfTheRealmAuctions (who as well as being TSF's Official Grading partner are also an Authorised NGC dealer).

You can easily compare the costs of grading in the UK with NGC direct yourself by going to their website here: https://www.ngccoin.uk/submit/services-fees/ngc/ (again don't forget to also include that £13, as well as the NGC return shipping cost which is quite expensive if going direct to NGC, I think it was from £36 return shipping cost when I did but another member can hopefully correct me on this if I am mistaken as to NGC's return shipping cost, although this obviously is not applicable if picking up direct from the NGC office) and you can compare to the grading fees with @CoinsOfTheRealmAuctions (discounts applicable for different Premium Member groups, pricing and info available here)

Pros of grading via Coins of the Realm
- Optional TSF branded label available
- Lower cost for small and medium quantities of coins submitted as no £13 per form charge. 

Pros of grading direct with NGC UK
- If you live in or close to London and there is no or low cost travel expenses to get to the NGC office you can drop off and pick up in person to save shipping fees (especially the very high return charge from NGC).
- Can work out cheaper if you are submitting large quantities of coins, e.g. if you have 20 coins on the same sheet effectively reduces the £13 fee to just £0.65 per coin.

I'm not sure if it will be a possibility, and it is something would need to ask NGC, but wondering if there is any possibility for members who submitted via @CoinsOfTheRealmAuctions to then collect their coins in person at the NGC office? This may not be logistically possible or even allowable under the NGC rules, but tagging in Louise as she may be able to answer that  

Note that TSF does not receive any money for members choosing to grade via COR. Unless however a chargeable fee for the TSF label is applicable, this is then passed onto TSF. TSF is not expecting to even break even on the $1000 label charge that we paid, however if members choose to get this label it will hopefully promote and advertise TSF in the long term. The TSF label was also designed to fit in nicely with other Standard NGC labels or standard NGC blue Early Releases / First Releases labels that members may have in their collection so that their TSF branded NGC graded coins go well in their collection. TSF supports itself via Premium Membership subscriptions and Platinum Premium Member groups receive optional FREE TSF branded labels when grading via COR this also will help to support the forum. 

In conclusion, members are free to grade directly with NGC and it is a good topic for discussion on how to do it. As above it may be a lower cost to grade via COR so it is worth working out the costs. 

In regards to PCGS, I can't really say anything just yet, but I can say that TSF is working on something in relation to this and this will be announced in due course, again it will be a system set up whereby TSF does not receive a commission but does negotiate lower rates for Premium Members. More details on that to come sometime this year  

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That was my viewpoint when I started collecting coins, but I can see both arguments. I think I will get any gold coins (that I go on to sell) graded first. That removes any potential dispute between buyer and seller as to the condition of the coin, because it’s already been graded by a professional company.  
I know you buy and sell a lot of coins, including graded ones, so I guess that your business is purely business and nothing to do with your personal opinion. Would it be fair to say that your graded coins sell for more money than raw ones, or is it solely down to what coin you’re selling (graded or raw) and the price being right of course?  

Welcome to the conversation @Allgoldcoins which rounds off my participation rather nicely because I bought my 4 coin box set from you!

Iv had many coins graded but ultimately I feel raw coins have a different presence about them. I think there is to much hype around graded coins. Best to keep them raw and boxed. 

Here is a 1989 quintuple sovereign in FDC as struck condition, note that the queens nose looks slightly squashed, they all to appear to be the same.

Thanks for letting me know the prices. It gives me a baseline to go on should I grade mine. I’m not sure how much the bullion price would have on special design year numismatic coins, but I think 69 grades at best must be normal for proofs over 30 years old. I would pay extra for conservation in the hope of achieving a 70 with one of them.

Interesting.  The set I was talking about had the following prices (only the half was a 70 the rest 69) £5 - £3400, £2 - £1400, Sov - £1350 and Half - £750.  This was in January and I guess gold was higher then.

YES,i was decide if i buy a 5sov with pf70 and i sell my 2sov to cover my cost, but buy a cheaper 4coin set is still in my considerate .just what i see 4coin set seller almost describe coin  has spots, that is not what i hope, so i still got 2 choice .And thankyou for your post

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Yes, it’s true that the £5 quintuple and £2 double sovereigns display the finery of the tudor rose design in larger detail, but beauty comes in all sizes including the smaller coins which a lot of people collect.
  
I agree. The £2 double sovereign is a great choice if you’re worried about spending too much money on the £5 quintuple. JJH has bought the £2 version in auction.

@JJHif you have already bought the double sovereign and don’t particularly like the smaller coins then don’t buy a box set. If you still need to buy the quintuple then monitor how much they sell for. I’ve given you a good start in my first post. Save your money up for one and buy when you think it’s the right coin and price. You can then sell your smaller double and get some money back to compensate for what you pay for a quintuple. 
I hope you enjoy your new coin and good luck with your collection. 

yes, when i saw this coin in 2019,i have found the special is 2sov is sometimes cheaper than 1sov and i buy a 2sov pf70 in auction  2020 Dec for 1700GBP,because i work outside otherwise i will show the photo, and when i get it in Feb, i appreciate carefully its beautiful .So now i plane to find 5sov because of the beauty of the more enlarged details.I think if 1sov just need 500GBP i still unlikely to buy it ,because it display less detail.