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Many thanks to @Lr103 for assisting with the acquisition of some 200 Bolívares including this toned 1888 Caracas Mint 100Bs. and several 20Bs. from 1904, 1911 and 1912

Many thanks to @Lr103 for assisting with the acquisition of some 200 Bolívares including this toned 1888 Caracas Mint 100Bs. and several 20Bs. from 1904, 1911 and 1912

Many thanks to @Lr103 for assisting with the acquisition of some 200 Bolívares including this toned 1888 Caracas Mint 100Bs. and several 20Bs. from 1904, 1911 and 1912

Many thanks to @Lr103 for assisting with the acquisition of some 200 Bolívares including this toned 1888 Caracas Mint 100Bs. and several 20Bs. from 1904, 1911 and 1912

Managed to source the rather elusive 1888 Venezuela 100 Bolívares with the help of @Lr103
The mint bloom or toning is quite considerable but cannot hide the ample lustre remaining in this popular vintage

Managed to source the rather elusive 1888 Venezuela 100 Bolívares with the help of @Lr103
The mint bloom or toning is quite considerable but cannot hide the ample lustre remaining in this popular vintage

Managed to source the rather elusive 1888 Venezuela 100 Bolívares with the help of @Lr103
The mint bloom or toning is quite considerable but cannot hide the ample lustre remaining in this popular vintage

Many thanks to @Lr103 for assisting with the acquisition of some 200 Bolívares including this toned 1888 Caracas Mint 100Bs. and several 20Bs. from 1904, 1911 and 1912

Managed to source the rather elusive 1888 Venezuela 100 Bolívares with the help of @Lr103
The mint bloom or toning is quite considerable but cannot hide the ample lustre remaining in this popular vintage

Managed to source the rather elusive 1888 Venezuela 100 Bolívares with the help of @Lr103
The mint bloom or toning is quite considerable but cannot hide the ample lustre remaining in this popular vintage

Many thanks to @Lr103 for assisting with the acquisition of some 200 Bolívares including this toned 1888 Caracas Mint 100Bs. and several 20Bs. from 1904, 1911 and 1912

Many thanks to @Lr103 for assisting with the acquisition of some 200 Bolívares including this toned 1888 Caracas Mint 100Bs. and several 20Bs. from 1904, 1911 and 1912

Many thanks to @Lr103 for assisting with the acquisition of some 200 Bolívares including this toned 1888 Caracas Mint 100Bs. and several 20Bs. from 1904, 1911 and 1912

Daterun of:
20 Francs / 8 Florin Hungary / Austria
Minted every year from 1870-1891
Most mintages are about 300.000 per year.
Most of them were minted in Kremnitz, Skovakia (KB mintmark), and a few in Romania (GYF).
I am missing: 1873, 1879, 1886 and some variations. If anyone has one of them for sale or trade, please let me know.

These are not actually LMU spec coins but as its been referred to on this excellent thread before, here is the Montenegro 20 Perpera gold coin.
There are 2 versions of this denomination.
On the left, the commemorative issue coin to mark the 50 Anniversary of the Accession of King Nicola 1. Left facing laureate head portrait.
On the right, the standard circulation 20 Perpera distinguished by a right facing, bare head portrait. Reported mintages of both coins c. 30,000.
These are not in the finest condition but both coins are very hard to find now in any condition.
 
 

Hi - no, I don't mind at all! Those are great observations that you make. 
I think you're right with the hairlines, my gut tells me there is a good chance it would grade as details due to possible cleaning. Although having had the chance to really look this thing over, the eye appeal isn't impaired much at all. When buying raw coins of this age I personally assume always that I'll find some sign of cleaning if I study it closely. Unless its something truly mint state, and for this particular coin MS would be way too expensive for my budget!
You're right too about the mounting, but I've scoured over every inch of this coin and can find nothing that indicates a previous mount. So it's either so faint I missed it, or it was never mounted. Either way it works out to the same thing for my personal enjoyment of the coin 
And no, this coin wasn't from auction, it was from a coin dealer. Ironically, located in Canada, not terribly far from me! Sometimes its a small world.

Thank you! Thats a great resource! 

You are correct, they were minted in Venice. 
https://marenghi.collectorsonline.org/moneta/M-27/12

This is such an amazing coin! I don't think it can be surpassed by any other from the 20 francs category. And also condition of the coin is great! Huge congratulations on this acquisition.
Having quickly checked recent auction archives it does not seem this coin was bought at an auction, or was it?
My only concern with grading this coin would be that those hairlines, mainly on the reverse, could be seen as a sign of cleaning and you get a details grade. Or if they determine that there are some marks from previous mounting (as many of these coins were mounted). But in any case, I don't think any potential imperfections affect the overall eye appeal too much which I am sure must be even better when holding the coin in hands!
By the way, I see no reason why these coins shouldn't have been minted in Venice directly.
(I hope you don't mind that I quoted your post within this thread...)

Today (recently, lol) I received...
This fantastic and scarce coin which for the time being is the crown jewel of my LMU collection.
The coin is an 1848 Republic of Venice (San Marco) 20 Lire. A one-year edition only, as the revolutions of 1848-49 sweeping Europe generally, and the Italian States in particular, turned out to be fairly short lived.
A total of 5,210 of these absolutely breathtaking 20 Lire coins were minted (I believe in Turin, but I haven't confirmed). The obverse is the Lion of St. Mark, and value within wreath on the reverse.
One thing that I have noticed with graded pieces is there is a prevalence of Prooflike designations for these coins. I've tried to capture the reflective, prooflike nature of this coin but its really difficult to do in photos. In hand, it is amazing to see. A very, very beautiful mirrorlike finish. Angle it in the sunlight the right way and you could signal an airplane with it! One of the nicest coins I've had the privilege to add to the LMU collection and one of the very few raw coins I would consider sending off for grading to validate and conserve it.
 
 

Thanks for asking..but I managed to pick up that little rooster a good while ago. I’m now on the lookout for rare Peruvian Una Libras, Guatemalan 10/20 Quetzales and nice Albanian 1926/27 Skanderbegus if you have any😀😀!

This might be boring for some but this 1871 100 Pesetas specimen just allowed me to understand the relationship between the LMU denominations and the metric system:

As it states in the legend: there are 31 pieces of 100 Franc (or here 100 Pesetas) in 1kg.
And indeed, if we divide 1,000g by 31 we get 32.2580g as stated on this 100 Bolívares or Pachano:

So if your aim is to stack/collect 100g of fine gold, you will need 310 Francs or equivalent. 

 
There are a few odd outliers like some of the 5 Peso in South America which are 25 Pesetas equivalent; the 2.5 Peso Argentino equates to 12.5 Pesetas or Francs. 


The 5 Roubles 1884-1896 and 1897 7.5 Roubles are 20 Francs; the 1897 15 Roubles corresponds to the 40 Franc pieces. 
 

 
1897 onward 5 Roubles are 2/3 of 20 Franc and 10 Roubles and modern Chervonets are 4/3 of 20 Francs so 30 Roubles equate to 80 Francs or quatre-vingt Francs.  



So the Soviet Union has been producing up to the 1980s as one of the last countries yearly several tons of LMU trade coinage. 

This might be boring for some but this 1871 100 Pesetas specimen just allowed me to understand the relationship between the LMU denominations and the metric system:

As it states in the legend: there are 31 pieces of 100 Franc (or here 100 Pesetas) in 1kg.
And indeed, if we divide 1,000g by 31 we get 32.2580g as stated on this 100 Bolívares or Pachano:

So if your aim is to stack/collect 100g of fine gold, you will need 310 Francs or equivalent. 

 
There are a few odd outliers like some of the 5 Peso in South America which are 25 Pesetas equivalent; the 2.5 Peso Argentino equates to 12.5 Pesetas or Francs. 


The 5 Roubles 1884-1896 and 1897 7.5 Roubles are 20 Francs; the 1897 15 Roubles corresponds to the 40 Franc pieces. 
 

 
1897 onward 5 Roubles are 2/3 of 20 Franc and 10 Roubles and modern Chervonets are 4/3 of 20 Francs so 30 Roubles equate to 80 Francs or quatre-vingt Francs.  



So the Soviet Union has been producing up to the 1980s as one of the last countries yearly several tons of LMU trade coinage. 

This might be boring for some but this 1871 100 Pesetas specimen just allowed me to understand the relationship between the LMU denominations and the metric system:

As it states in the legend: there are 31 pieces of 100 Franc (or here 100 Pesetas) in 1kg.
And indeed, if we divide 1,000g by 31 we get 32.2580g as stated on this 100 Bolívares or Pachano:

So if your aim is to stack/collect 100g of fine gold, you will need 310 Francs or equivalent. 

 
There are a few odd outliers like some of the 5 Peso in South America which are 25 Pesetas equivalent; the 2.5 Peso Argentino equates to 12.5 Pesetas or Francs. 


The 5 Roubles 1884-1896 and 1897 7.5 Roubles are 20 Francs; the 1897 15 Roubles corresponds to the 40 Franc pieces. 
 

 
1897 onward 5 Roubles are 2/3 of 20 Franc and 10 Roubles and modern Chervonets are 4/3 of 20 Francs so 30 Roubles equate to 80 Francs or quatre-vingt Francs.  



So the Soviet Union has been producing up to the 1980s as one of the last countries yearly several tons of LMU trade coinage. 

This might be boring for some but this 1871 100 Pesetas specimen just allowed me to understand the relationship between the LMU denominations and the metric system:

As it states in the legend: there are 31 pieces of 100 Franc (or here 100 Pesetas) in 1kg.
And indeed, if we divide 1,000g by 31 we get 32.2580g as stated on this 100 Bolívares or Pachano:

So if your aim is to stack/collect 100g of fine gold, you will need 310 Francs or equivalent. 

 
There are a few odd outliers like some of the 5 Peso in South America which are 25 Pesetas equivalent; the 2.5 Peso Argentino equates to 12.5 Pesetas or Francs. 


The 5 Roubles 1884-1896 and 1897 7.5 Roubles are 20 Francs; the 1897 15 Roubles corresponds to the 40 Franc pieces. 
 

 
1897 onward 5 Roubles are 2/3 of 20 Franc and 10 Roubles and modern Chervonets are 4/3 of 20 Francs so 30 Roubles equate to 80 Francs or quatre-vingt Francs.  



So the Soviet Union has been producing up to the 1980s as one of the last countries yearly several tons of LMU trade coinage.