LawrenceChard

1 hour ago, James32 said:

Can I get the 1000 price break?

And I'll pay postage 

Well spotted.

If you buy 1,000 before we correct it, I don't see why not, but would you not rather have free postage?

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1 hour ago, Midasfrog said:

But not in stock says " orderable" ?

Thanks.

We had at least 1,000 in stock on Tuesday!

I just queried our "stock status"

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1 hour ago, Midasfrog said:

Is that frosting damage on the grass ? 😃

Oh, for fox sake!

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59 minutes ago, paulmerton said:

I saw this claim today, and I'm not sure how they can get away with that sort of thing if you're cheaper (only by about 80p currently after adding the £6 postage, but even so!):

It is probably illegal or in breach of Trading Standards rules, but there are many things I see other dealers doing, and which I consider as less than ethical.

I already had little respect for Hatton Garden Metals:

https://www.goldcopyright.co.uk/copyright-abuse/krugerrands-org-uk-using-copied-images/

and:

https://www.goldcopyright.co.uk/copyright-abuse/hatton-garden-metals/

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1 hour ago, Foster88 said:

@LawrenceChard do keep us updated if you receive a reply.

I did receive a reply, which included "We will not be paying the vendor out until the buyer is completely satisfied with the coin."

He did attach the "condition report" photo was you had already posted.

I went on to give some further "advice", which is probably all I could do.

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5 hours ago, dioarn said:

Thanks. Where is the best place to buy bullion version of this? I kind of regret that I got proof, something you cannot touch. 

5 hours ago, James32 said:

I believe chards.co.uk is the cheapest currently. 

@LawrenceChard can you confirm?

We were the last time I looked:

https://www.chards.co.uk/2022-gold-bullion-sovereign-elizabeth-ii-memorial-coin/18111

Price Comparison Against Other UK Bullion Dealers - Updated at 08-Feb-2023 09:36

Not only the best, but the cheapest as well!

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5 hours ago, Booky586 said:

Links to eBay sales web addresses aren't much use for a historical record, eBay delete the sales pages after 90 days and all you get is a broken link. Try opening this one now:

 

Yes, that one must have been 90+ days, unless the listing was cancelled.

Ebay links are OK if they are recent. If I include any, Ioften take and add a screenshot in addition, but of course it tooks a little more time.

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21 minutes ago, Foster88 said:

I thought that too, that’s why I’m surprised it was listed as an Ansell sovereign.

Agreed, something isn’t quite right with it.

I should have added the link to the auction page, it was late when I posted last night.

This has now sold this morning for £2,600 + fees.

https://www.warrenandwignall.co.uk/catalogue/lots/A55A26D53F7575150C37DF03A793E61B09E578302553E305756659CC306CEB46/2A29640469B1A3702BD4742F312B842A/fine-sale-mid-20th-century-urban-art-jewellery-wat-lot-78/?d&action=2

I just e-mailed the auction house with my / our concerns.

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On 22/02/2022 at 19:45, Booky586 said:

Here's a recent find on eBay, 1862 R over E in BRIT, rated R3 in Marsh. So a higher rarity than an Ansell. I've seen 2 or 3 of these this year where the seller hasn't recognised the error/variety. Compared to no sightings of an Ansell. Perhaps there are a lot of this variety and it's just not an appealing one to collect, hence it goes by unnoticed?

It really needs a "normal" one to enable easy comparison.

On 22/02/2022 at 20:05, GoldDiggerDave said:

Not saying it's not there but my eyes are done in and I can't see it.  Have you go the link 

Should have gone to SpecSavers.

Why do TSF members almost invariably omit to include links?

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On 21/02/2022 at 09:44, sovereignsteve said:

I have seen this version of events several times in the literature so would assume it will be an accurate transcription from Ansell unless some pillock got it wrong somewhere and everyone else has blindly copied it!

It would not be the first time that thousands of "experts" have simply copied and pasted, or copied and re-edited incorrect information.

One of the most amusing (to me) examples concerns the number of serrations on (one ounce) gold Krugerrands:

Some of this episode is related here:

https://www.chards.co.uk/guides/krugerrand-misinformation-serrations/402

But there is a more detailed version here:

We need to update our Chards web page!

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11 hours ago, Foster88 said:

Rather than start a new thread, I thought I’d ask here as the 1859 Ansell has been well discussed in this thread.

Do you think this is an Ansell sovereign? It isn’t mine but is advertised as so and I can’t make out that second line in the hair ribbon.

Its sort of there but not.

What do you think @dicker @sovereignsteve?

No!

Have you got a link, so we can see who the culprit is?

4 hours ago, dicker said:

Personally I can’t see it clearly enough defined.  

I agree, but seller probably doesn't want you to be able to see it clearly!

31 minutes ago, sovereignsteve said:

No I would say not, although there is a hint of a possible gap between 2 lines but it doesn't go all the way across. The relative dimensions of the lines and gaps aren't correct for a genuine Ansell.

The ribbon edge of a normal 59 is quite broad and rounded, I suspect this one has either a defect in that detail or someone has been at it with a scalpel trying to form a gap!

@LawrenceChardwill have seen many more than me in his time.

 

compare with a real one

Good forensic work!

27 minutes ago, Petra said:

What are we looking at/ looking for?

https://www.chards.co.uk/1859-gold-sovereign-victoria-young-head-shield-ansell-graded/5326

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11 hours ago, slack said:

Just to add some clarity and maybe some excuse for my fumbled attempts to use this unfamiliar forum, I'm currently struggling with terminal lung cancer and sever COPD luckily I have a number of months left to enjoy but it does cause some difficulties with my faculties due to lack of oxygen to the brain on occasion so I very much appreciate the help you have kindly offered me

I am very sorry to hear about your health problems.

Don't worry too much about making mistakes on TSF, it is not important in the great scheme of things.

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46 minutes ago, slack said:

Ahh ok, thank you for taking the time to help me navigate the unfamiliar corridors and rooms of the forum

That's OK, I'm still learning!

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3 hours ago, bluffer said:

how long til someone says they have an error coin as there is no date?

25 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

As many as people have the money to buy.

I don't know the mintage for other recent years, although somebody on TSF might know.

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About a month ago!

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How long until @James32 asks if there is free postage on a sheet of 20 coins?

9 minutes ago, James32 said:

Na that's just a blown up image of the "dateless" variety!!

It's not the only thing that should be blown up!

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1 hour ago, slack said:

Slack

Ive heard a few complaints and you have my sympathy my proof mamorial full sovereign has a nasty scratch across the coin capsule..yes I know it's just the capsule but it's a lot of cash for an imperfect product 

May I respectfully suggest that that you think of a new title for your posts, rather than "Slack", as in 

and, of course, today's new entry:

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2 hours ago, James32 said:

Just received this from Atkinsons. Excellent offer in fairness. 

They may have to be undated quintuple sovereigns like the image on the e-mail!

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54 minutes ago, danieldorkins said:

Upto 2% I'll stick with TSF!

I think for "Up to 2%", they have to be genuine!

2 hours ago, Chandler365 said:

Hi , any thoughts on the expected mintage quantity ? 

As many as people have the money to buy.

I don't know the mintage for other recent years, although somebody on TSF might know.

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2 hours ago, bluffer said:

how long til someone says they have an error coin as there is no date?

About a month ago!

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4 minutes ago, SidS said:

That's some strong f****** hair grips!

...or Bobby pins:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_pin

perhaps even barrettes (to the Americans):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_clip

In fact, the coronet or diadem may actually be a cunningly disguised, ornamental hair clip!

When you said "f****** hair grips!" I guess you were referring to French barrettes

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6 minutes ago, SidS said:

Why hasn't the Queen's crown fallen off? Is this some kind of rare, gravity defiant sixpence?

No, just hairgrips!

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On 04/02/2023 at 00:23, Foster88 said:

I thought this might be of interest here on the forum, for those who haven’t seen the adverts, a new drama starts next Sunday called The Gold about a 1983 robbery of three tonnes of gold in London.

Some of you might even remember it at the time. Here’s the trailer and no I don’t work for the BBC. 😆

I just thought it might be of interest to my fellow TSF members as it does look like it could be a good series.

Now, what would you do with three tonnes of gold….

On 04/02/2023 at 10:56, LawrenceChard said:

Good thinking, I heard and saw something about it a few days ago.

My wife said I would enjoy laughing at it when they pick up and throw around gold bars as if they were made of plastic or aluminium.

The Official Trailer picture is a great example. It is the size and shape of a London Good Delivey bar +-400 ounces / 12.5 kilos, but with unrealistically polished sides. The actor is holding it as if it weighs next to nothing.

Also the bars in the robbery were all reported to be kilo bars I think, and the bar in the picture is much bigger than a kilo!

This is worth reading:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brink's-Mat_robbery

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This paragraph from the Wikipedia page is intruiging, and might be of great interest to the Conspiracy Theorists (Not that there are any on TSF!)

Counterfeit stolen gold bars
On 21 December 1983, less than four weeks after the robbery, police in Austria arrested five men, four Italians and an Austrian, at a Vienna hotel. Police also recovered ten bullion bars bearing the refiner's mark and serial numbers of bars stolen in the Brink's-Mat robbery.

According to the police spokesman, the bars were gold-coated tungsten counterfeits, and therefore could not be Johnson Matthey's stolen gold bars. He said that the arrested men planned to fraudulently claim they were from the Heathrow robbery. No explanation was given as to how the counterfeiters obtained the unpublished bar serial numbers, nor the likely benefit of counterfeiting stolen property in this way.

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1 hour ago, MonkeysUncle said:

They are also lumpier under the mattress than coins!

Sure, but they make a better base.

You need to use big ones though!

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1 hour ago, Napo said:

Indeed the coin mention « Essai ».

That’s actually quite funny. Don’t remember on top of my head any other coins with the portrait of such a young monarch on the obverse.

Try this:

https://24carat.co.uk/frame.php?url=spain5pesetacrownsalfonsoxiii.html

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