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Victoria, Sovereign, 1871


DESCRIPTION
Victoria (1837-1901), gold sovereign, 1871, London, Tower Hill Mint, third young filleted head left, W.W. raised on truncation for engraver William Wyon, date below, hint of doubling in legend both sides, Latin legend and toothed border surrounding, VICTORIA DEI GRATIA (“Victoria, by the Grace of God”), rev. struck in reverse alignment, crowned quartered shield of arms, laurel wreath surrounding, die number 14 below, emblems below, Latin legend and toothed border surrounding, BRITANNIARUM REGINA FID:DEF: (“Queen of the Britons, Defender of the Faith”), raised hairline flaw in last A of legend to rim, edge milled, weight 7.97g (Bentley 558; Marsh 55; M.C.E. 531; S.3853B). Tiny obverse rim nick, otherwise pleasing good extremely fine. Ex-Douro Cargo, Spink Auction 118, 20-21 November 1996, lot 1377 (part). Calendar year mintage 8,767,250.
HISTORY
RMS Douro was a slender iron-hulled, screw-driven steamship of 2,824 tons - distinguishable by her graceful clipper bow and two brigantine rigged auxiliary masts - built in 1865 by Caird & Company on the River Clyde at Greenock, Scotland. She measured 326 feet long by 40 feet wide and served from 1865 to 1882 with the Royal Mail Steam Packet Company.
Douro initially served the routes between the United Kingdom and the West Indies. Early in her career, she was running mates with RMS Rhone until Rhone was sank in 1867 by a hurricane in the West Indies. In 1869, Douro switched to South American service on the Southampton, England-Buenos Aires, Argentina, route. As a Royal Mail Ship, she carried mail and newspapers under contract. She also often carried precious cargo, including gold and diamonds.
Douro sank in the early morning hours of April 2, 1882, off Cape Finisterre following a collision with the Spanish steamer Yrurac Bat when en route to Southampton from Buenos Aires. Her captain, Ebenezer C. Kemp, along with five other officers went down with the ship, but all 144 other crew and passengers were saved. 
The wreck was eventually salvaged in 1995 By Sverker Hallstrom and Nigel Pickford using a remote-operated vehicle (ROV) at a depth of 1,500 feet. The cargo of gold coins, mostly British sovereigns dating from the reign of Queen Victoria, was sold at auction by Spink, London, in 1996.
https://gmic.co.uk/topic/418-the-true-story-of-the-rms-douro/

This photo shows Douro, sister of RMS Rhone, at Charlotte Amalie Harbour, Saint Thomas, just before the 1867 hurricane; she did survive that force!

TO THE MEMORY OF CAPTAIN E. C. KEMP, THE OFFICERS, ENGINEERS & CREW OF THE ROYAL MAIL STEAM PACKET COMPANY’S SHIP “DOURO” WHO PERISHED AT SEA ON THE 1ST APRIL 1882 NOBLY SACRIFICING THEIR OWN LIVES THAT OTHERS MIGHT BE SAVED.

Route of the RMS Douro.

Queen Victoria by Franz Xaver Winterhalter, 1842.

Victoria, Sovereign, 1871.

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2005 silver maple. It has a triple privy. I believe it has the lowest mintage of the special maples? Unless anyone knows otherwise?

Picked up these for just over spot.
 

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I suspect Midasfrog is mainly meaning us, but I disagree that we are charging way over the top.
Our charge is for postage and packing, and includes a considerable chunk for picking, checking, packing, and admin time. Mrs Chard believe we lose money on the shipping charge.
Interestingly, until about 5 or 6 years ago, we offered 2 shipping rates £2 at buyer's risk or £5 fully insured up to any value. We often had to spend a lot of time convincing buyers that their £20,000 or £100,000 purchase was indeed fully insured, and we could understand why they were concerned, it probably sounded too good to be true. As far as we were concerned, it kept things simple, and our sales revenue slightly subsidised the shipping and insurance charge.
We changed to £5 (before several postage price hikes) shipping plus £1 per complete £1000 for insurance; our actual cost for the insurance was slightly more, but the small subsidy made the calculation really quick and easy. Instantly, most buyers were much happier!
We also believe that "free postage" is misleading. It makes a good sound byte, but actually it just means the postage is added to the price in advance. Most sellers offering "free postage" don't offer a price reduction on the second, third, fourth, etc, item bought, so they get to pocket the difference and the "punter" (I strongly dislike that word), never realises, remaining blissfully happy that they got "free" postage, and hardly ever realising it was costing them more.
By the way, Jane and I once personally delivered a large Krugerrand order to the Cayman Islands, as it was almost as cheap as the insured shipping. We got a one week package deal which cost less than the return air fare. That was a really tough week!
"Free" postage also penalises those buyers who shop in person, collect, or increasingly, have their purchases stored securely.
We believe in trying to be fair, and also trying to be as transparent as possible.
Some good news is that we have been planning on reviewing and re-calculating our shipping charges for some time, and we are just about to revise them on site, mainly downward. There are some complicated calculations which include allowances for weight, value, size and shape, so our stock database has to include the relevant data for many thousands of products. Even then, a few things still need to be worked out on an individual basis.
 

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Not PMs but got my first load of the new £20s. Always weird getting used to new fiat, at least gold is eternal!

Ordered this a couple weeks ago on sale for $12 over spot just before gold took its elevator ride up and then back down.  2019 Perth 1 oz gold Lunar Landing Anniversary.

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Antiqued date run... 

Last photo I have of my stack was stack around 9 months ago but more been added since in safety deposit box 

As I said I would here is my end of year full stack photo. Although modest I'm quite pleased with how it went this year, considering starting in April.