Fake barber quarter USA coin stay vigilant

[Mrpound]

Got this off feebay

The weight was right. 
The diameter was right. 
The look of it was right. 
But the sigma informed me it wasn’t 90%  silver and was in fact fake.

So some dirty scumbag is out there faking barber quarters and pretty good fakes at that.

obviously if it was real it was be a £200+ coin graded in the condition it’s meant too be but it’s not even a rare date/mint mark just a 1908-D.

Gentlemen stay vigilant 🫡

[stefffana]

 

Do you have on your machine only one setting 90%, or there are more?

I can see is 90% US pre 1900 and your barber is post 1900...

The coin look as it should in my opinion.

 

[iacabu]

I'd echo @stefffana 's comment above. Try it on the other settings, although I'd still expect it to be somewhere near

 

Edit- yes it should still be in the brackets, I've just tested a random 1940 half dollar

Edited January 4 by iacabu

[Earthmetal]

2 hours ago, iacabu said:

I'd echo @stefffana 's comment above. Try it on the other settings, although I'd still expect it to be somewhere near

 

Edit- yes it should still be in the brackets, I've just tested a random 1940 half dollar

Although if the right hand example moved over one position to the left, it would still be in spec, but on the left hand photo would be off the scale.

[Mrpound]

12 hours ago, stefffana said:

 

Do you have on your machine only one setting 90%, or there are more?

I can see is 90% US pre 1900 and your barber is post 1900...

The coin look as it should in my opinion.

 

 

12 hours ago, stefffana said:

 

Do you have on your machine only one setting 90%, or there are more?

I can see is 90% US pre 1900 and your barber is post 1900...

The coin look as it should in my opinion.

 

Yeah also done it on 1945 and same result, I find barber as they were also minted in eighteen hundreds are more accurate on 1900 I just took that photo though as it was the last one I tried 🤣 I know it dose look right it’s very odd as I said a very good fake 😬

[SidS]

I does look a bit off to me, the legends a bit mushy. It could well be a fake.

[stefffana]

2 hours ago, Mrpound said:

 

Yeah also done it on 1945 and same result, I find barber as they were also minted in eighteen hundreds are more accurate on 1900 I just took that photo though as it was the last one I tried 🤣 I know it dose look right it’s very odd as I said a very good fake 😬

 

2 hours ago, SidS said:

I does look a bit off to me, the legends a bit mushy. It could well be a fake.

 

Probably it's fake tho...

What it's scary is its quality. Somebody invested time and effort to make this, so should be thousands flooding around to be profitable...

[Mrpound]

Yeah I agree it’s very scary especially as my main focus is us coinage and someone has put a lot of time into this as, getting it the right size and weight and it not being silver isn’t an easy thing too achieve I imagine 😬

[Mrpound]

Just too show it on pre1945 and a real barber half dollar that I had too hand 🤣

[Mrpound]

And here we go a unpleasant seller on eBay, I started the return process with this

He accepted and I received this

This is the description 

so I replied with this

I get back this charming reply

. 
so I left him a gift ☺️

as we all know eBay is hardly worth the hassle half of the time

ps wouldnt Let me put idiot in feedback (offensive word) apparently so I put that
🤣

Edited January 6 by Mrpound

[Earthmetal]

4 minutes ago, Mrpound said:

as we all know eBay is hardly worth the hassle half of the time 🤣

Sorry to say but from that 'description' the coin's clearly not real, and you were being naive to think it might be. A genuine seller in the situation described wouldn't even know that fake 25c coins existed, and to an older British person being "sick" is vomiting, not being ill or needing treatment.
As for Ebay "not being worth the hassle", I can't see that honest buyers using common sense need experience any hassle at all. I've been an Ebay seller, and buyer, for twenty years. What has spoiled the platform if anything, is their Buyer Protection Programme that heavily sways towards the buyer at the sellers expense. And buyers that miss-use the returns process treating antiques or vintage collectables (such as I sell) as brand-new shop bought goods.

[Mrpound]

1 minute ago, Earthmetal said:

Sorry to say but from that 'description' the coin's clearly not real, and you were being naive to think it might be. A genuine seller in the situation described wouldn't even know that fake 25c coins existed, and to an older British person being "sick" is vomiting, not being ill or needing treatment.
As for Ebay "not being worth the hassle", I can't see that honest buyers using common sense need experience any hassle at all. I've been an Ebay seller, and buyer, for twenty years. What has spoiled the platform if anything, is their Buyer Protection Programme that heavily sways towards the buyer at the sellers expense. And buyers that miss-use the returns process treating antiques or vintage collectables (such as I sell) as brand-new shop bought goods.

Well as a seller it should be there responsible too know if something is a real or a fake not, not 50/50. So when someone dose buy it, all be it turns out too be a fake returning the item doesn’t require bad manners as I didn’t treat him as such, the unsureness of the listing allows me to buy it and see for myself it’s not called being naive it’s rolling the dice and the fact it turned out too be a good fake isn’t my problem, I spotted it I can return it.

Since when is selling fakes acceptable anyway unsure or not and selling off other dying peoples collection 🤣 

[Mrpound]

20 minutes ago, Earthmetal said:

As for Ebay "not being worth the hassle", I can't see that honest buyers using common sense need experience any hassle at all

Just missed that, so you’re saying I’m not an honest buyer 🤣 being a scammer got caught and is unhappy he will lose out on postage. Well maybe that requires the sellers listing too be crystal clear not so vague as i said and most people here the coin looks right, and it weighed right and the diameters were right so his vague listing lets me have a punt in my eyes.

and everyone has at least one bad experience on eBay being a buyer or a seller. 

Edited January 6 by Mrpound

[Pm1987]

Personally don’t see what the seller done wrong here. Clearly states he’s unsure if real or not so and most likely no facility to test it himself or would have listed it much higher. 

[Mrpound]

5 minutes ago, Pm1987 said:

Personally don’t see what the seller done wrong here. Clearly states he’s unsure if real or not so and most likely no facility to test it himself or would have listed it much higher. 

Been rude and insulting, for a return 

[Pm1987]

I can see why he was. You have wasted his time. Cost him money. And dumped negative feedback on him for no real reason. 

[Mrpound]

Just now, Pm1987 said:

I can see why he was. You have wasted his time. Cost him money. And dumped negative feedback on him for no real reason. 

A seller should not sell something which is fake or unsure if it’s genuine if so don’t sell it I left the feedback after he decided to have ago.

[SilverJacks]

I wouldn't sell something if I was unsure if it was fake. Or does he think he's running some type of gambling listing? Might be real, might be fake. You pays your money you takes your choice... Of course, the biggest problem with that is that he knows it's not real because he said as much in his reply to the return request.

If he said it was a replica, he wouldn't get much for it. So he says it might be real to squeeze more money from the sale. He is aware of the buyer protection rules, so should really expect this to happen.

And also, what kind of person is ok with receiving £58 for a near worthless fake coin? Just list it as what it really is and receive what it is really worth.

[Lancashire1]

I think your in the wrong ....the description clearly states he doesn't know if it's real or not. To me that means bought as seen at your risk. 

Sorry....I think your on your arse there.

You took a punt, lost and now want your stake money back. Bad form that

[stefffana]

[Mrpound]

25 minutes ago, Lancashire1 said:

I think your in the wrong ....the description clearly states he doesn't know if it's real or not. To me that means bought as seen at your risk. 

Sorry....I think your on your arse there.

You took a punt, lost and now want your stake money back. Bad form that

Thank you for your valuable input ☺️

[CollectForFun]

To those saying it's the buyer's fault: could you please stop pretending the seller was genuine in his intentions and really unsure if the coin is a fake, if at the same time they try to convince with every word of that made-up story the coin was real?

They 100% knew what they were selling and were not honest about it, so the buyer just played their game, which, to be honest, the buyer had very little likelihood to end up winning. So after, unsurprisingly, the coin turned out to be fake as expected, the buyer did nothing wrong by telling the seller the coin wasn't authentic as their description hinted at it being authentic and from the seller's reaction it's apparent they hoped to sell to an unsuspecting buyer which luckily wasn't the case here.

So, I have zero sympathy with the seller and can't really understand those who defend them...

[HonestMoneyGoldSilver]

It is a serious criminal offence in the UK to sell precious metals that are fake or counterfeit. Penalties are up to a maximum of an unlimited fine and 2 years in prison. It is also against eBay rules to sell replicas or fakes of any kind, not that they enforce their own rules unless someone lights a fire under their arse

It's unacceptable under any circumstances to "maybe" commit a crime and cause losses or distress to another individual when the situation could have easily been avoided. There are both official legal and unofficial company policies to avoid the possibility of such incidents taking place

It's up to the seller, buyer and eBay to resolve the situation regarding negative feedback. I wouldn't have bought the item in the first place but if I did buy this item and was the victim of criminal activity that caused me to experience financial loss, I wouldn't be happy about it either. I wouldn't shed any tears about postage costs, that's for sure

[Mrpound]

5 hours ago, CollectForFun said:

To those saying it's the buyer's fault: could you please stop pretending the seller was genuine in his intentions and really unsure if the coin is a fake, if at the same time they try to convince with every word of that made-up story the coin was real?

They 100% knew what they were selling and were not honest about it, so the buyer just played their game, which, to be honest, the buyer had very little likelihood to end up winning. So after, unsurprisingly, the coin turned out to be fake as expected, the buyer did nothing wrong by telling the seller the coin wasn't authentic as their description hinted at it being authentic and from the seller's reaction it's apparent they hoped to sell to an unsuspecting buyer which luckily wasn't the case here.

So, I have zero sympathy with the seller and can't really understand those who defend them...

 

46 minutes ago, HonestMoneyGoldSilver said:

It is a serious criminal offence in the UK to sell precious metals that are fake or counterfeit. Penalties are up to a maximum of an unlimited fine and 2 years in prison. It is also against eBay rules to sell replicas or fakes of any kind, not that they enforce their own rules unless someone lights a fire under their arse

It's unacceptable under any circumstances to "maybe" commit a crime and cause losses or distress to another individual when the situation could have easily been avoided. There are both official legal and unofficial company policies to avoid the possibility of such incidents taking place

It's up to the seller, buyer and eBay to resolve the situation regarding negative feedback. I wouldn't have bought the item in the first place but if I did buy this item and was the victim of criminal activity that caused me to experience financial loss, I wouldn't be happy about it either. I wouldn't shed any tears about postage costs, that's for sure

Totally agree, It seems clear cut too me and the only reason I posted his reaction was the because of the rudeness, it actually seems there are more people here than I would have thought that are okay with the sale of fake coins, I posted this thread originally as I was impressed by how good a fake it was and wanted just too remind members too be extra cautious, but seeing some reactions calling me a arse etc I shan’t bother in the future 🤣 I also sell as well as buy and would never dream of passing something on if I wasn’t sure it was authentic as that is the sellers responsibility not I’m unsure… if so you shouldn’t sell it as it’s a crime and should be against you moral compass. 

[James32]

Here here... Where's my fekin phone charger