SOTD sovereigns

[Muncle]

On 31/10/2023 at 07:38, GoldDiggerDave said:

The 2018 George's 5ht Birthday SOTD sovereign is a proof sovereign period.    SOTD's have given the RM a headache just like BU sovereigns as they struggled for years to differentiate between the classifications.  You would think the 1100 year mint would be able to do this but its taken them about 7 years.   

When they first started minting SOTD they were just bullion coins  they they could not be identified as a SOTD without the box and COA.   They started minting them as proof coins and then some with  unmilled edges but this cause issues with mintage figures so they classed the proof SOTD as BU and they only finally got a handle on this is 2019 when they decided to make them matte and we got the digital engraved  St George.  

 

 

 

 

The Prince George SOTD 2018 is a lovely coin in my opinion and definitely has proof like qualities. My favourite SOTD along with the 1st July 2017 SOTD. Please see photograph attached of a coin I received a few months ago via a dealer of a 2018 SOTD. 

I unfortunately had to return this particular coin. From those I have handled there have been a few with production mark issues, some I could accept, for what really is strictly a BU coin, others too prominant. The scrape on the obverse above the letter R of GRA was the reason I rejected this coin, but if you look carefully there appears to be a mark on the coin before the D of DEI and also after the letter H in Elizabeth. What I have personally noted is that I have the exact same mark on another of these I own, but in a different position on the obverse.

Production marks aside and with gold price increases I am regretting a bit not keeping this example.

I think the 2023 coronation SOTD will also be a good investment punt in the future and the 2022 platinum jubilee SOTD.

Looking forward to a CH111 75th birthday issue from the RM, but not to what the price may be.🤣

Would be great to see a revival of a non laser engraved version SOTD from the RM.

 

 

Edited November 1, 2023 by Muncle

[Sc391]

@SiCole hey no cheek intended.  I just figured the folks in the UK have a better idea of the popularity of KC III than I might have in the US.  Politics seems to muck up each country in different ways.  I’m thinking of starting a KCIII sovereign run and figured I can’t get any closer to the ground floor than this.  Thanks for your input 

[Zhorro]

7 hours ago, Sc391 said:

@SiCole hey no cheek intended.  I just figured the folks in the UK have a better idea of the popularity of KC III than I might have in the US.  Politics seems to muck up each country in different ways.  I’m thinking of starting a KCIII sovereign run and figured I can’t get any closer to the ground floor than this.  Thanks for your input 

But prices on the secondary market may be lower in the months to come for the 2023 and 2024 proofs and the Birthday SOTD - I think the prices are very unlikely to rocket upwards.  So, by all means collect these coins, but maybe think about the timing of your purchases.

[Sc391]

Can anyone explain this me?  This guy had a coronation SOTD sovereign that he sold below cost.  It was graded a 69, but it’s still a rare, sought after coin.  Someone scored big to me.

[James32]

40 minutes ago, Sc391 said:

Can anyone explain this me?  This guy had a coronation SOTD sovereign that he sold below cost.  It was graded a 69, but it’s still a rare, sought after coin.  Someone scored big to me.

Unfortunately he would have been better cracking open the slab and selling as a raw coin. Once a modern coin gets a 69 label its treated like leprosy 😆 

[SiCole]

35 minutes ago, James32 said:

Unfortunately he would have been better cracking open the slab and selling as a raw coin. Once a modern coin gets a 69 label its treated like leprosy 😆 

Also its a UK coin being sold in the US where he's probably only opened it to US customers. That wouldnt have happened in the UK as i would have got it lol

[NGMD]

11 minutes ago, SiCole said:

Also its a UK coin being sold in the US where he's probably only opened it to US customers. That wouldnt have happened in the UK as i would have got it lol

If you were lucky….

[kimchi]

On 31/10/2023 at 23:00, Muncle said:

The Prince George SOTD 2018 is a lovely coin in my opinion and definitely has proof like qualities. My favourite SOTD along with the 1st July 2017 SOTD. Please see photograph attached of a coin I received a few months ago via a dealer of a 2018 SOTD. 

I unfortunately had to return this particular coin. From those I have handled there have been a few with production mark issues, some I could accept, for what really is strictly a BU coin, others too prominant. The scrape on the obverse above the letter R of GRA was the reason I rejected this coin, but if you look carefully there appears to be a mark on the coin before the D of DEI and also after the letter H in Elizabeth. What I have personally noted is that I have the exact same mark on another of these I own, but in a different position on the obverse.

Production marks aside and with gold price increases I am regretting a bit not keeping this example.

I think the 2023 coronation SOTD will also be a good investment punt in the future and the 2022 platinum jubilee SOTD.

A large minority of the 2018s suffered from 'capsule failure in transit' when first released and arrived scratched, sadly. I returned a fair number of them before ending up with a couple of great examples that I was happy with. A rare coin in a decent grade forever I think, and back when SotD seemed to mean something (following the magnificent Pistrucci 2017, many folks missed this one - they were pretty off-radar at the time).

On 01/11/2023 at 01:11, Sc391 said:

@SiCole hey no cheek intended.  I just figured the folks in the UK have a better idea of the popularity of KC III than I might have in the US.  Politics seems to muck up each country in different ways.  I’m thinking of starting a KCIII sovereign run and figured I can’t get any closer to the ground floor than this.  Thanks for your input 

Let's put it this way, he can't be much more unpopular in the US than he is here, and after all you did take Harry 🤣

Edited November 10, 2023 by kimchi

[fehk2001]

4 hours ago, kimchi said:

A large minority of the 2018s suffered from 'capsule failure in transit' when first released and arrived scratched, sadly. I returned a fair number of them before ending up with a couple of great examples that I was happy with. A rare coin in a decent grade forever I think, and back when SotD seemed to mean something (following the magnificent Pistrucci 2017, many folks missed this one - they were pretty off-radar at the time).

Let's put it this way, he can't be much more unpopular in the US than he is here, and after all you did take Harry 🤣

Harry potter ?

[jason94151]

I'm wounding would you buy a SOTD sovereign that only come with the coin no box or COA?

[Olivard]

No.

With some of the earlier ones it is the only proof that it is a sotd.

Even the later ones with obvious differences like privy marks, if you want to sell it on later a buyer is likely to want a certificate and box.

[westminstrel]

5 hours ago, jason94151 said:

I'm wounding would you buy a SOTD sovereign that only come with the coin no box or COA?

Depends which SotD it is. Are you  sure it is an SotD? You can’t know for sure without the COA in some earlier cases, and even then, a regular bullion could be passed off as an SotD. 

[jason94151]

3 hours ago, westminstrel said:

Depends which SotD it is. Are you  sure it is an SotD? You can’t know for sure without the COA in some earlier cases, and even then, a regular bullion could be passed off as an SotD. 

Well I'm just looking at ebay and someone selling sotd platnum jubiee sovereign that only come with a coin, no coa or box so I don't know what people opinion on buying sotd without coa and box. Im also wondering if there fake sotd sovereign that have the plain edge?

[Petra]

3 minutes ago, jason94151 said:

Well I'm just looking at ebay and someone selling sotd platnum jubiee sovereign that only come with a coin, no coa or box so I don't know what people opinion on buying sotd without coa and box. Im also wondering if there fake sotd sovereign that have the plain edge?

Bit strange not to have the box? If in doubt……

[jason94151]

9 hours ago, Olivard said:

No.

With some of the earlier ones it is the only proof that it is a sotd.

Even the later ones with obvious differences like privy marks, if you want to sell it on later a buyer is likely to want a certificate and 

Oh, so legit paying hundreds of $ for a coa and box that may or may not be have a sotd sovereign since there no way to tell if it is it not for early ones

Edited November 13, 2023 by jason94151

[jason94151]

1 hour ago, Petra said:

Bit strange not to have the box? If in doubt……

Yea no box or coa just the coin, so I'm idk if there fake  sotd platinum jubilee sovereign.

[JamesH]

2 hours ago, jason94151 said:

Well I'm just looking at ebay and someone selling sotd platnum jubiee sovereign that only come with a coin, no coa or box so I don't know what people opinion on buying sotd without coa and box. Im also wondering if there fake sotd sovereign that have the plain edge?

Is the seller gold-sovereignty? Asking as he has 3 identical listings with 3 different prices (£800, £1100 & £1150) all displaying the same pics. Looks proper dodgy.

For comparison, I picked one up on eBay yesterday for £865 (graded NGC MS70) with box and coa as well 👍🏼

[jason94151]

2 hours ago, JamesH said:

Is the seller gold-sovereignty? Asking as he has 3 identical listings with 3 different prices (£800, £1100 & £1150) all displaying the same pics. Looks proper dodgy.

For comparison, I picked one up on eBay yesterday for £865 (graded NGC MS70) with box and coa as well 👍🏼

Yea it was seller gold-sovereignty.

Wow that a steal for only 865 ms70

[westminstrel]

16 hours ago, jason94151 said:

Well I'm just looking at ebay and someone selling sotd platnum jubiee sovereign that only come with a coin, no coa or box so I don't know what people opinion on buying sotd without coa and box. Im also wondering if they’re fake sotd sovereign that have the plain edge?

Why heard of any fake SotDs of the plain edge and matte variety, but given what others have said here about the seller and their listings, this sounds dodgy to me.

[JamesH]

13 hours ago, jason94151 said:

Yea no box or coa just the coin, so I'm idk if there fake  sotd platinum jubilee sovereign.

Skelator88 has one for sale in the UK graded section. MS70 also 👍🏼

[Agaupl]

16 hours ago, jason94151 said:

Well I'm just looking at ebay and someone selling sotd platnum jubiee sovereign that only come with a coin, no coa or box so I don't know what people opinion on buying sotd without coa and box. Im also wondering if there fake sotd sovereign that have the plain edge?

Ungraded I’m guessing? Personally I wouldn’t by an ungraded SoTD with no box or coa without inspecting it first and at a good discount. 
 

[westminstrel]

On 01/11/2023 at 05:09, GoodAsGold said:

2017 was such a busy year with 3 SOTDs, though I note that Rich’s book indicates that only the first SOTD of the year appears to have been a complete sell out. 

I recall that there was confusion at the time of how you would go about distinguishing between the first 2017 SOTD and the third one, as both had milled edges. Only the middle SOTD struck on 1 July 2017 has the plain edge.

Looking back at my notes, the 6 Feb SOTD is almost identical to the 20 Nov one but the 6 Feb one apparently has narrower ribbing on the reeded edge than the 20 Nov one. Geeks like @westminstrel will hopefully already know this of course.

I don’t have any of them myself, and although I like my coins slabbed, I think I would appreciate the beauty of the plain edge 2017 SOTD in its original capsule in this case, as I’m guessing that unique feature is largely hidden in a slab.

I apologise to @westminstrel for calling you a geek. Modern Sovereign Specialist sounds much better!

I failed to respond to you my friend, and I stumbled upon this post while researching the Prince George 5th Birthday SotD (again).

Geek works for me. 🫣🤗

[Olivard]

Any ideas for this year's SOTD?

Can't see RM missing out on the opportunity to make some money?

[westminstrel]

1 hour ago, Olivard said:

Any ideas for this year's SOTD?

Can't see RM missing out on the opportunity to make some money?

I forgot the questions in the Sovereign survey, but they had mentioned several half-assed reasons for SotDs including memorial of QE II’s 100th Birthday, KC III’s 5th anniversary of accession / coronation, anniversaries etc. of old monarchs, blah blah.

I’d rather they didn’t do any SotD this year. The Sovereign scene is saturated as it is.

[Olivard]

1 hour ago, westminstrel said:

I forgot the questions in the Sovereign survey, but they had mentioned several half-assed reasons for SotDs including memorial of QE II’s 100th Birthday, KC III’s 5th anniversary of accession / coronation, anniversaries etc. of old monarchs, blah blah.

I’d rather they didn’t do any SotD this year. The Sovereign scene is saturated as it is.

Can't see them missing out on the 5th anniversary of the coronation. An excuse to roll out the crowned portrait. Or am I just sceptical? But that's a few years down the line. 

I know what you mean about this year but they'll not miss an opportunity to sell a SOTD. The margin on them must be high given the price structure.