Are these 100g PAMP Suisse Silver Bars FAKE?

[nunoelias]

Hello dear stackers.

I would like to ask for your advice. I found a bunch of silver PAMP Suisse bars for sale from a private stacker, each one having 100g.  He is selling each for 80€, which I find a very appealing price.

However, I am a bit worried these could be fake, mostly because of how the packaging looks... I am sharing the screenshots in this chat.

Could you guys give me your direct and honest opinion?

Edited October 8, 2023 by nunoelias

[iacabu]

I'm not sure the 100g bars came in packaging like this. That looks like crappy thin stuff, they should either come in the card or in hard plastic?

This is one I sold a few months ago, doesn't look the same as yours. Mouth, hands and most of the other details are different 

 

[Petra]

Yours does look different to the one @iacabu has shown. Have you tried any tests? Even a magnet?😮🤔

[Bigmarc]

Not an expert but the shine is different and this. 

[Petra]

Bit dubious anyway if not on a card as this is also a way of checking 

the counterfeit one is shorter in length and wider

Also on the card, on the genuine one the swooping line is above the first P, whilst on the fake it is touching the top

[nunoelias]

Thank you very much @Petra,  I have not performed any tests, it's basically an online purchase.  Thats why I am a little insure about it.

Thank you @iacabu, also for providing a picture from a real bar for comparison, it has been really helpful!


I will investigate further with the seller, but maybe he really is unaware that he's trying to sell fake bars...

 

[Petra]

4 minutes ago, nunoelias said:

Thank you very much @Petra,  I have not performed any tests, it's basically an online purchase.  Thats why I am a little insure about it.

Thank you @iacabu, also for providing a picture from a real bar for comparison, it has been really helpful!


I will investigate further with the seller, but maybe he really is unaware that he's trying to sell fake bars...

 

If in doubt…🤔go elsewhere! Look on here, try a wanted post?🤔

[James32]

Compared to the known real one it looks to have quite a few issues. I'd video you opening and doing a magnet test.

[MickB]

The swirl pattern is different as well.

[Gruff]

As is the bit just above that swirl. Where you see the three parts of a cross

[Petra]

1 hour ago, nunoelias said:

Thank you very much @Petra,  I have not performed any tests, it's basically an online purchase.  Thats why I am a little insure about it.

Thank you @iacabu, also for providing a picture from a real bar for comparison, it has been really helpful!


I will investigate further with the seller, but maybe he really is unaware that he's trying to sell fake bars...

 

All ways think the best of people! But be aware what can happen on line😮🤔

[Gruff]

The fingers/finger creases also don't run to the edge of the hands

[Petra]

I think that there enough danger signs to just not bother and it’s 

probably too cheap🤔😮

[365DaysofSilver]

They don’t look legit to me mate 

[HerefordBullyun]

Look at the lack of lustre on the bar also....

Something smells fishy and Im not talking about my late great uncle apple crumble.

[marshbag]

Compared to the known genuine bar there are many many differences in the design, so I would steer well clear.

[HerefordBullyun]

Added a few more differences in red also:

[365DaysofSilver]

19 minutes ago, HerefordBullyun said:

Added a few more differences in red also:

Gotta love a good game of spot the difference 😂

[HerefordBullyun]

Just now, 365DaysofSilver said:

Gotta love a good game of spot the difference 😂

Yes I normally do it with razzle and other art mags.....

[Gruff]

Absolutely and if it helps prevent another forum member being knowingly or unknowingly sold fakes it's even better

[daca]

Found this on flebay

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/166359951477

https://www.ebay.com/itm/125949739177

https://www.ebay.com/itm/115928593925

 

[HerefordBullyun]

1 minute ago, daca said:

Found this on flebay

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/166359951477

https://www.ebay.com/itm/125949739177

https://www.ebay.com/itm/115928593925

 

yes look very similar to OPs one 100% fake

[daca]

I'm impressed with the new security features - staples 🤣

[Gruff]

3 minutes ago, daca said:

I'm impressed with the new security features - staples 🤣

Excellent spot

[Petra]

Just don’t bu!🫢🤔😮