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The Lord's Prayer on a threepence


pricha

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2 minutes ago, TeaTime said:

I went through a phase of collecting engraved coins and have the same one - there is a small but fervent market for them. They were hand engraved and are often referred to as love or sweetheart tokens.

The lords prayer appears to be a common theme. 

If you don't mind me asking, what/where would you search to find those sorts of coins?
I've never seen or heard of them (which isn't saying much as I'm a newbie to this world, but still)

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In England, it is "forgive us our trespasses" and in Scotland it is "forgive us our debts". I don't know about Wales and Ireland (pre partition).

The British Museum entry indicated that it was a 50 year mintage , I assumed that the passage was stamped during minting.

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4 hours ago, pricha said:

I picked up this some time back. Excuse me if I've already asked , I don't remember (age).  I was amazed by it. I assume it's genuine engraving  rather than fake using Modern technology.  Anyone have any ideas or has something similar? Thanks 

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I have seen many coins with engraving on them. Some are simple "love tokens". Cramming lots of words onto a small coin must have been a popular challenge in the past, rather like the craze for fitting a large number of students into a mini.

Biblical texts such as the Lord's Prayer or Ten Commandments are probably relatively common. They may have been done a an apprentice challenge.

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1 hour ago, HillWalkerDundee said:

In England, it is "forgive us our trespasses" and in Scotland it is "forgive us our debts". I don't know about Wales and Ireland (pre partition).

The British Museum entry indicated that it was a 50 year mintage , I assumed that the passage was stamped during minting.

The text on these or similar was not stamped during minting, but would have been engraved later, by hand or machine.

Some hand engravers use pantographic "stencils", so many pieces may be engraved with similar fonts.

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35 minutes ago, HillWalkerDundee said:

Would the coin have been stamped on one side and the other left blank for the inscription?

No.

The Royal Mint made the coin in the normal way.

Later, some individual engraved it, grinding or filing the surface flat beforehand.

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13 hours ago, HillWalkerDundee said:

I have always used "which"

Hmm I wasn't aware there were different versions. Everyday is a learning day as they say.

Im very far from an expert on the subject, having being raised by devout atheists. However, I've only ever done the Anglican and Catholic versions of the prayer in weddings/funerals etc. both of which used 'who'.

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I think the difference between the two is whether you believe that God is in the form of a person (see And God made Adam) or an entity of some type which is far superior (wrong word) to that of flawed human beings. Also the use of the word "debt" is a more accurate translation but many use "trespass" to avoid the financial connotation.

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