To see if my coin is genuine

[Sd1984]

Hi am shaun av just bought this really nice coin and would like to know if genuine as last slabbed coin American buffalo was not please can anyone help

[Gordon]

Looks good to me

[Midasfrog]

After seeing a perfect fake of this coin the only way to really tell would be to have it tested.

These are now being faked to a very high standard 😨

[Booky586]

I asked a similar question recently. Apparently Sigma analysers and XRF machines can check through the plastic slab, perhaps you could find an owner of one to help you out.

 

[dicker]

Welcome to the forum.  Always worth posting up an intro. 
 

Best

Dicker

[sovereignsteve]

8 hours ago, Midasfrog said:

After seeing a perfect fake of this coin the only way to really tell would be to have it tested.

These are now being faked to a very high standard 😨

did you get chance to weigh it?

[Midasfrog]

10 hours ago, sovereignsteve said:

did you get chance to weigh it?

The Britannia coin company posted a picture of one that they discovered in a set . The Chinese are getting very good at detailed fakes 😱 and there is the added problem of fake slabs .

[Seasider]

https://www.pcgs.com/news/counterfeit-pcgs-holders

Some helpful tips in this article.

There is no picture of the coin when you look it up on PCGS so you may want to approach PCGS to see if they can verify it is not a fake.

It looks as if there is some damage to the holder so you might ask them to re-holder it (Perhaps while it is out of the holder you could see if they can conserve it and maybe you will get a better grade!!)

[Sd1984]

28 minutes ago, Seasider said:

https://www.pcgs.com/news/counterfeit-pcgs-holders

Some helpful tips in this article.

There is no picture of the coin when you look it up on PCGS so you may want to approach PCGS to see if they can verify it is not a fake.

It looks as if there is some damage to the holder so you might ask them to re-holder it (Perhaps while it is out of the holder you could see if they can conserve it and maybe you will get a better grade!!)

Thanks very much 

[Sd1984]

5 hours ago, Midasfrog said:

The Britannia coin company posted a picture of one that they discovered in a set . The Chinese are getting very good at detailed fakes 😱 and there is the added problem of fake slabs .

Sorry do you mean in the slab check the weight 

[Sd1984]

36 minutes ago, Seasider said:

https://www.pcgs.com/news/counterfeit-pcgs-holders

Some helpful tips in this article.

There is no picture of the coin when you look it up on PCGS so you may want to approach PCGS to see if they can verify it is not a fake.

It looks as if there is some damage to the holder so you might ask them to re-holder it (Perhaps while it is out of the holder you could see if they can conserve it and maybe you will get a better grade!!)

The variety numbers are not the same also wot dose this mean the seller told me it came from coin cabinet 

22 hours ago, dicker said:

Welcome to the forum.  Always worth posting up an intro. 
 

Best

Dicker

Thanks 

[sovereignsteve]

5 hours ago, Midasfrog said:

The Britannia coin company posted a picture of one that they discovered in a set . The Chinese are getting very good at detailed fakes 😱 and there is the added problem of fake slabs .

I assumed you meant one in a fake slab. I was curious to know if total weight would be an indicator.

[Sd1984]

23 hours ago, Booky586 said:

I asked a similar question recently. Apparently Sigma analysers and XRF machines can check through the plastic slab, perhaps you could find an owner of one to help you out.

 

Thanks very much appreciated 

[Sd1984]

15 minutes ago, Sd1984 said:

Sorry do you mean in the slab check the weight 

42.8 gram dose anyone have a £2 sovereign in this holder can check weigh out please much appreciated if could shaun 

[Sd1984]

7 minutes ago, sovereignsteve said:

I assumed you meant one in a fake slab. I was curious to know if total weight would be an indicator.

Yes in slab not sure if both are correct yet 

[Sd1984]

The total weight of coin in holder is 42.8 dose anyone or could anyone help by checking a genuine £2 sovereign in this type of holder please be fantastic help I am covered but don’t want send it back as I wanted this coin for long long time 

[sovereignsteve]

2 minutes ago, Sd1984 said:

The total weight of coin in holder is 42.8 dose anyone or could anyone help by checking a genuine £2 sovereign in this type of holder please be fantastic help I am covered but don’t want send it back as I wanted this coin for long long time 

I have a few, I have weighed them in the past for this very reason. I will dig out the results.

[dicker]

I think the coin should weigh 15.98g on its own. That is what I recorded for a £2 that I had... Can anyone correct me?

Best

Dicker

[Seasider]

21 minutes ago, Sd1984 said:

The variety numbers are not the same also wot dose this mean the seller told me it came from coin cabinet

Coin Cabinet holds auctions (and I think sells coins direct).  They have a section in the Dealers sub-forum on here.  The chances of getting a fake through them would be very slim.

8 minutes ago, Sd1984 said:

The total weight of coin in holder is 42.8 dose anyone or could anyone help by checking a genuine £2 sovereign in this type of holder

I have one in a NGC holder which weighs about 55 grams

[dicker]

Hmmmmm

[richatthecroft]

2 minutes ago, dicker said:

I think the coin should weigh 15.98g on its own. That is what I recorded for a £2 that I had... Can anyone correct me?

Best

Dicker

Yep, a 2 Pound Sovereign is 15.98g gross weight. 

[silversurf]

This should be a relatively easy way to find out the exact weight. If anyone has a PCGS slab, unfortunately I don't, weigh the slab then subtract the weight of the coin to give the net weight of the empty slab. Then add 15.98 to that which should give the combined expected weight of slab plus double sov.  😁

Can confirm the NGC double sov weighs in at just over 55g.

 

[Seasider]

20 minutes ago, Seasider said:

The variety numbers are not the same

Google your variety number and you get something called the Tyrant Collection - maybe your coin is from there.  If so it has a good pedigree to put it mildly.

[matt1r]

On the same coin I’ve seen as much as a 2gram difference either end of the spectrum on a ngc holder of the same generation, guess it depends how much plastic and filler went into the slabs.

[Sd1984]

10 minutes ago, Seasider said:

Google your variety number and you get something called the Tyrant Collection - maybe your coin is from there.  If so it has a good pedigree to put it mildly.

I didn’t get coin from coin cabinet the seller who sold me is saying that