£3000 in stock market?

[HerefordBullyun]

2 hours ago, Stacktastic said:

Yes i was up £40 over the weekend with only 2000 shares.

Thanks. Wish i had put a grand into it. It would be good if the share price gets to £20 LOL. 
New Mercedes for Mrs Stactastic!!

I'm up 1k 😂😂😂

[Kman]

47 minutes ago, HerefordBullyun said:

I'm up 1k 😂😂😂

Hopefully more tomorrow

Might drop off again after that though for the next 6 weeks unless there's some good Scallywag news in the meantime. People are also speculating about GGP being added to GDXJ etf, no idea if that will happen or what it would do to SP

[blackadder]

Long term in the likes of bt/bp etc etc is great an all, i sold alot of mine even at losses to put the money into stuff that would make the losses back plus profit far faster.

think there's plenty of time to get into the oil stocks if you want as alot are still falling.So haven't seen the bottom yet i think.

 

 

 

[HerefordBullyun]

23 minutes ago, Kman said:

Hopefully more tomorrow

Might drop off again after that though for the next 6 weeks unless there's some good Scallywag news in the meantime. People are also speculating about GGP being added to GDXJ etf, no idea if that will happen or what it would do to SP

It would increase the share price as it gives confidence in the market also when anyone buys into the ETF they are also buying into GGP

[HerefordBullyun]

9 minutes ago, blackadder said:

Long term in the likes of bt/bp etc etc is great an all, i sold alot of mine even at losses to put the money into stuff that would make the losses back plus profit far faster.

think there's plenty of time to get into the oil stocks if you want as alot are still falling.So haven't seen the bottom yet i think.

 

 

 

I agree about oil. 

[KDave]

34 minutes ago, blackadder said:

Long term in the likes of bt/bp etc etc is great an all, i sold alot of mine even at losses to put the money into stuff that would make the losses back plus profit far faster.

think there's plenty of time to get into the oil stocks if you want as alot are still falling.So haven't seen the bottom yet i think.

To invest where though? I am struggling to find anything that will do well that I am not already exposed to, metals are still attractive but I had too much of those after the recent rise.

[RichmondStacker]

5 hours ago, HerefordBullyun said:

GGP nicely on the uptick @Kman @RichmondStacker @Stacktastic🚀🚀🚀🚀

It’s coming along nicely, 62% up. 

I put £700 into KEFI last week, that is 16% up so far.  It is a risk as their mines are in Egypt and Saudi Arabia, as well as having a not so great track record, but this seems like they have it together.

[RichmondStacker]

31 minutes ago, KDave said:

To invest where though? I am struggling to find anything that will do well that I am not already exposed to, metals are still attractive but I had too much of those after the recent rise.

Have you looked at Cineworld? I sold all my Tullow Oil last month at a tiny profit and got in Cineworld at 48p average. Even now it seems cheap and should go back over a £1+ now cinemas are open. 

Today I put some into SYME as a pure gamble as GGP and CINE are performing very well. 

[blackadder]

4 minutes ago, RichmondStacker said:

Have you looked at Cineworld? I sold all my Tullow Oil last month at a tiny profit and got in Cineworld at 48p average. Even now it seems cheap and should go back over a £1+ now cinemas are open. 

Today I put some into SYME as a pure gamble as GGP and CINE are performing very well. 

Ain't they also 3 billion in debt,where their assets don't cover it plus the lost money from covid etc.

 

46 minutes ago, KDave said:

To invest where though? I am struggling to find anything that will do well that I am not already exposed to, metals are still attractive but I had too much of those after the recent rise.

to be honest i've not looked as have my main stuff,or what i would say go for has already gone up to much to put money into now.

how about plug power,legal & general is low atm or apple after the split,or Horizonte Min but is metals again,plus was 3p when i got em now 8p etc.

 

[KDave]

13 minutes ago, RichmondStacker said:

Have you looked at Cineworld? I sold all my Tullow Oil last month at a tiny profit and got in Cineworld at 48p average. Even now it seems cheap and should go back over a £1+ now cinemas are open. 

Today I put some into SYME as a pure gamble as GGP and CINE are performing very well. 

No I had not and it looks pretty cheap, if they have low rates and fixed on that huge debt pile it looks interesting, decent P/E and dividend.

Trouble is when people are hard up will they keep going to the cinema or will they stop in to watch netflix. Inflation might help cineworld with its debt but not with its customers, depends on whether they keep spending on going to the cinema, might be a good contrarian play that one, I can't see much new investment in cinemas following covid for a while which would benefit the ones that survive it. 

[blackadder]

here's your 99p/£1 and lows of 32p etc,this is where alot made a killing

 

[KDave]

2 minutes ago, blackadder said:

Ain't they also 3 billion in debt,where their assets don't cover it plus the lost money from covid etc.

 

to be honest i've not looked as have my main stuff,or what i would say go for has already gone up to much to put money into now.

how about plug power,legal & general is low atm or apple after the split,or Horizonte Min but is metals again,plus was 3p when i got em now 8p etc.

 

Interesting thanks I had heard of Horizonte minerals are they a nickle miner? Well done on the buy nearly tripped your money, when do you plan to sell them? Apple after the split yes if only, both Apple and Tesla have been the bitcoin of 2020 powered by pure belief and bubble levels of greed, if only I had followed the crowd for once, I should have learned my lesson from last time (bitcoin 2017).

I like LGEN I bought some back in march but have not looked into them properly since, on my list for high yield diversification. I have a few insurance plans with them I thought I might as well get them to pay for some of those for me with the dividends they spin off.  

[blackadder]

I also looked at AO at 60p and always thought what a c**p company went to £2.10 mainly i think to everyone buying stuff on tick when iin lockdown.

[blackadder]

1 minute ago, KDave said:

Interesting thanks I had heard of Horizonte minerals are they a nickle miner? Well done on the buy nearly tripped your money, when do you plan to sell them? Apple after the split yes if only, both Apple and Tesla have been the bitcoin of 2020 powered by pure belief and bubble levels of greed, if only I had followed the crowd for once, I should have learned my lesson from last time (bitcoin 2017).

I like LGEN I bought some back in march but have not looked into them properly since, on my list for high yield diversification. I have a few insurance plans with them I thought I might as well get them to pay for some of those for me with the dividends they spin off.  

I guess alot depends on how much you invest or for how long etc,I looked at tesla at $250 but backed out of buying them thinking the same as you.to expensive not worth it etc etc etc.

then they went to £2000 plus lol   I can see them going back up even after the split so bought some.

Horizonte are a nickle miner yes,I don't hold that many so will just keep em and see where it goes.As put all my money in other stuff

[KDave]

7 minutes ago, blackadder said:

here's your 99p/£1 and lows of 32p etc,this is where alot made a killing

 

 

4 minutes ago, blackadder said:

I also looked at AO at 60p and always thought what a c**p company went to £2.10 mainly i think to everyone buying stuff on tick when iin lockdown.

Trading in and out good if you can do it and get it right more often than getting it wrong but this is a different game to investing in value. I understand that selling at a loss can mean you have more capital to trade and potentially make the loss back (reducing opportunity cost), if you can do it then fair play.

Personally the opportunity cost for me is just which value stock do I put money into this month vs which one is bought next month. My buys are based on the macro economic picture as I understand it, I am accumulating rather than trading, perhaps you could say I am trading in the long term with greater certainty than if I was trading in the shorter term. Perhaps not the best way to make money in the market right now given that everything is a winner, but it offers more certainty for me based on my understanding, so long as I can hold through the volatility (I wouldn't be investing if I couldn't) and I am not too far off the mark, which I could be. Limiting the downside is important in trading, perhaps the most important thing followed by when to take profits, that is what diversification is for and establishing a rough holding period and sell point before you start. 

I am confident the sectors I am buying will do well long term, I could not say that about the AIM shares you listed, certainly not Tesla or Apple which are in a bubble, but for making returns there is no doubt it would have been better to speculate in Apple and Tesla or Horzinte than it was to invest in value stocks over the short term. I am looking at the macro economic picture as best as I can understand it and so where all of these stocks will be longer term is clearer to me than where they will be next week or next month, which is why I am confident in what I am buying and what I am not buying, and I am enjoying falling prices while I accumulate as it means my targets are hit quicker and for a lower average on already cheap shares.

But who knows I have been wrong many times, I was wrong with bitcoin I backed out way too early in 2017, then I mostly stayed out of bitcoin and kept being wrong until I wasn't, now I was wrong on Apple and Tesla. The only question now, is this April 2017 wrong, or is this November 2017 wrong 

[blackadder]

10 minutes ago, KDave said:

 

Trading in and out good if you can do it and get it right more often than getting it wrong but this is a different game to investing in value. I understand that selling at a loss can mean you have more capital to trade and potentially make the loss back (reducing opportunity cost), if you can do it then fair play.

Personally the opportunity cost for me is just which value stock do I put money into this month vs which one is bought next month. My buys are based on the macro economic picture as I understand it, I am accumulating rather than trading, perhaps you could say I am trading in the long term with greater certainty than if I was trading in the shorter term. Perhaps not the best way to make money in the market right now given that everything is a winner, but it offers more certainty for me based on my understanding, so long as I can hold through the volatility (I wouldn't be investing if I couldn't) and I am not too far off the mark, which I could be. Limiting the downside is important in trading, perhaps the most important thing followed by when to take profits, that is what diversification is for and establishing a rough holding period and sell point before you start. 

I am confident the sectors I am buying will do well long term, I could not say that about the AIM shares you listed, certainly not Tesla or Apple which are in a bubble, but for making returns there is no doubt it would have been better to speculate in Apple and Tesla or Horzinte than it was to invest in value stocks over the short term. I am looking at the macro economic picture as best as I can understand it and so where all of these stocks will be longer term is clearer to me than where they will be next week or next month, which is why I am confident in what I am buying and what I am not buying, and I am enjoying falling prices while I accumulate as it means my targets are hit quicker and for a lower average on already cheap shares.

But who knows I have been wrong many times, I was wrong with bitcoin I backed out way too early in 2017, then I mostly stayed out of bitcoin and kept being wrong until I wasn't, now I was wrong on Apple and Tesla. The only question now, is this April 2017 wrong, or is this November 2017 wrong 

Sometimes you gotta jump on the hype wagon same as some of the aim stocks when they get to a point where your research/proven results make it less risky.

I never bought some of what i have now way back when due to the risk etc,Another reason i stayed away from cineworld as in my books was to risky for me.Atleast with tesla they make alot of stuff apart from cars,plus ofc all the hype over say a company like nikola that has no trucks yet and buys their batteries from tesla.

All i had before covid were dividend stocks,which 95% crashed around march time.So I changed tactics and sold of alot,If i didn't id be thousands down now rather then up and in the green.

But i had ofc made on the dividend from the stocks,but if i still held it would be a sea of red still,alot went down even more and still not stopping lol.

Adding at these lvls for longer term holding should see you do well.

[KDave]

2 minutes ago, blackadder said:

Sometimes you gotta jump on the hype wagon  

Agreed this is true, for a small part of the money. I am not willing to get into this bubble now though. It is something I have not learned to do yet. In the last 2 days Apple has added to its market cap the equivalent of Exxons entire worth. Apple is now worth more than all 100 companies in the FTSE100, it is almost as much as the Russel 2000 index! These indices include a fair few shares that the macro says will do very well from here if I understand it. These figures also tell me that apple is in a huge titanic bubble, that most of the market is wrong, and the long term is in value. The concern/risk to the last part is if the tech bubble takes the entire market with it, that risk can be offset with a cash holding ready to go. 

4 minutes ago, blackadder said:

All i had before covid were dividend stocks,which 95% crashed around march time.So I changed tactics and sold of alot,If i didn't id be thousands down now rather then up and in the green.

But i had ofc made on the dividend from the stocks,but if i still held it would be a sea of red still,alot went down even more and still not stopping lol.

I am glad this worked out, the right call in hindsight. I have read a lot on this stuff and this example right here is the one used as what not to do - selling low after the crash to crystallise the loss, and then chasing a piece of the excitement, it is the example used as to why people lose in the stock market over the long term.

15 minutes ago, blackadder said:

Adding at these lvls for longer term holding should see you do well.

Yes perhaps, we will see (who knows!). Have you considered crystallising some of those speculative gains to have at a look at value stocks. 

[blackadder]

5 hours ago, KDave said:

I am glad this worked out, the right call in hindsight. I have read a lot on this stuff and this example right here is the one used as what not to do - selling low after the crash to crystallise the loss, and then chasing a piece of the excitement, it is the example used as to why people lose in the stock market over the long term.

truth be told there was really no loss,as the dividend from each over time  more then covered any of that.plus some even were in profit when sold plus all the dividend overtime.I never sold all,only the c**p i could see dropping like a stone and taking years to recover Ie bt if it ever does.I also will add after looking at my options i never really had the money to average each stock i had down.

I still have a mix of many different things,plus if you're in a small loss of £200 say and know you can get that back plus why not if the money is better spent elsewhere.also does  it matter if some of these stocks are in a bubble,if you don't mind the risk and can make money on them who cares.I've even bought back in to some of the stuff i sold out on,as knew these were going rock bottom.

5 hours ago, KDave said:

Yes perhaps, we will see (who knows!). Have you considered crystallising some of those speculative gains to have at a look at value stocks. 

Na as still more gains to be had by far,I have a core set of stocks to,and alittle bit of money for trading regularly

[Stacktastic]

15 hours ago, Kman said:

Might drop off again after that though for the next 6 weeks 

I shall get some more if that happens, its my only junior miner. Damn - wish I had put in £4k now
Too risky for me. £400 was quite a punt & I largely only invested because of Herford, which is quite foolish. 

15 hours ago, blackadder said:

So haven't seen the bottom yet i think.

Ah - gonna cost me a fortune. Gonna cap it at £2k each I think - £4k is a good amount of stock as it really should double if not triple in the next 3 years.  

14 hours ago, KDave said:

To invest where though?

I have my eye on Cameco (waiting for a pull back). Oil tankers too.
5G and Space stuff is a good one for long term. 

14 hours ago, RichmondStacker said:

It is a risk as their mines are in Egypt and Saudi Arabia

Nah your fine, the USA are too busy screwing up their own people & economy atm . They don't have the time, the money or political reasons to invade/build empires properly. The middle east thing is largely done now - they will be on to project blue book after this vaccine has been administered.  

13 hours ago, blackadder said:

Ain't they also 3 billion in debt. 

cinemas might well be as defunct as Blockbuster especially the cheaper ones. Everyone has streaming & Tech is bigger and better than before. Not long until holodeck type stuff I recon, of at the very least AI/holgraphic experiences at home. I think investing in any sector like this (retail especially) is a bit risky if you ask me, but I am no expert? Maybe good for a short term play, not for me. 

13 hours ago, KDave said:

 powered by pure belief and bubble levels of greed

11 hours ago, KDave said:

Agreed this is true, for a small part of the money. I am not willing to get into this bubble now though. 

12 hours ago, KDave said:

Trading in and out good if you can do it and get it right more often than getting it wrong but this is a different game to investing in value. I understand that selling at a loss can mean you have more capital to trade and potentially make the loss back (reducing opportunity cost), if you can do it then fair play

Exactly. There is power in holding back when it just looks too good to be true.  "Be fearful when others are greedy" (Warren Buffet). 

Interesting about the ETF's - I need to look at that, maybe emerging market might be a plan? ATM I am looking to buy good undervalued stocks that last the test of time (ie Shell), which is a great way to build proper long term wealth, rather than quick risky endeavours, although that can also be profitable (imagine putting £10,000 in Tesla in March).

There is strong evidence that the biggest stock crash in history is coming and yes its very worrying that companies like Apple have more market cap than the whole FTSE!! So its common sense that if the biog tech giants fall, they will bring most of the rest with them, but that's when the gold/tangible stocks will start rising massively I think (and hopefully oil too!). i will pull all nighter if or when this happens and nab companies like below. I will be sleeping well after that unlike the Robin hood Nasdaq guys who have not only lost thier savings but now owe money too! 😛

- MICROSOFT FACEBOOK PINTREST AMAZON TELSA 3M BITCOIN / FOREX COSTCO APPLE QUALCOM P&G VIRGIN GALACTIC / SPACE X / STAR LINK CANABIS GIANT JONSON & JOHNSON GOOGLE ALIBABA COKE DISNEY MC DONALDS FIVERR PEPSICO

 

[blackadder]

3 hours ago, Stacktastic said:

(imagine putting £10,000 in Tesla in March).

wish i did this when i was looking lol😂

 

3 hours ago, Stacktastic said:

cinemas might well be as defunct as Blockbuster especially the cheaper ones. Everyone has streaming & Tech is bigger and better than before. Not long until holodeck type stuff I recon, of at the very least AI/holgraphic experiences at home. I think investing in any sector like this (retail especially) is a bit risky if you ask me, but I am no expert? Maybe good for a short term play, not for me. 

I've always thought it's just a cinema you only really make whatever a seat costs per person plus how many seats a room etc,plus however much ripioff food you sell.

then you have all their overheads,same as i never really understood boohoo should have bought them when down to £1.60 etc  

[Stacktastic]

2 hours ago, blackadder said:

I've always thought it's just a cinema you only really make whatever a seat costs per person plus how many seats a room etc,plus however much ripioff food you sell.

then you have all their overheads,same as i never really understood boohoo should have bought them when down to £1.60 etc  

yes do they also rent the properties or own them?

This is a microcosm of the average stock trader these days!! She seems to be just buying stocks that are over valued? Microsoft, Apple, Tesla you name it!! I shall let her off though as she is very nice. 
 

 

[Roy]

Is she a 'millennial'?

[Kman]

Best youtube about stocks but not directly about stocks is Steven Van Metre, backs up everything he says with charts, speaks a lot of sense

He speaks too much sense for the markets lol he has been pretty wrong about what's happened since March with equities and commodities 

I think he will be right sooner than later though

 

[Roy]

15 minutes ago, Kman said:

I think he will be right sooner than later though

I've found stock market youtubers are as bad as precious metal 'experts'. They share the same material.

'It will probably go up, then pull back then shoot higher, then drop, then go sideways, then fall, then rise, then explode, hold for a while, then crash, or it could hover a bit, go up and down then stabilise and then fall, probably quite hard but then it will recover and make a new high, consolidate for a while and then....'

[KDave]

The higher the tech stocks go the harder that crash will be when it happens, as the gent above points out a lot of stars are aligning for a huge crash but we will see. Deflationary collapse was always the risk from the start, before it turns to inflation, its looking more likely by the day and it will mean inflation is much greater than most expect due to what the FED will do (print to infinity).

One thing I thought today when I was talking about this to colleagues was how many people are going to have to sell everything when the tech stocks blow up to cover leverage. I think a lot of the downward pressure right now is also from selling to invest in tech, selling in the likes of Shell, Exxon, etc as sentiment continues to turn on them and the money being deployed into Apple, Mircosoft, etc no brainer investments! When those blow up whats left in the value stocks will also likely be sold to cover leverage as mentioned, gold and silver will be the same, property, everything will potentially follow. A huge deflationary bust. Followed like day follows night by massive printing from the FED, and only then the inflation I have been expecting coming into play in a bigger way than anyone expects over the next few years. 

Tech stocks are hoovering up liquidity in a big way, even after the recent placings on Apple and Tesla, people are still buying the new diluted shares up like there is no tomorrow. Tesla are playing a blinder here basically free money for nothing, in return investors are getting about 1/10th the value of what they are buying long term if they are lucky, it is insane. I read Microsoft is now worth double every oil and gas producer on earth, one tech company is worth double the ENTIRE energy sector. Apple and Amazon are not far behind microsoft in market cap as well it screams tech bubble to rival the year 2000, perhaps even to rival 1929.