Sixgun vs HawkHybrid

[sixgun]

40 minutes ago, SilverPirate007 said:

Russia is the biggest peddler of propaganda and media influence in the world and systematically undermine and demean UK interests.

Speechless - this could be trolling at the highest level if i didn't believe you might actually believe what you are saying here.

[SilverPirate007]

1 hour ago, goldmember44 said:

No I formulate my own views and they have existed even before RT existed. In any case, I see this is not going to be a fruitful discussion so I will not continue it with you.

Probably for the best. Russian propaganda has permeated our society to the point that UK citizens are turning on their own to promote the Russian narrative. You are a very good example of how successful they have been. Good day to you.

[SilverPirate007]

30 minutes ago, sixgun said:

Speechless - this could be trolling at the highest level if i didn't believe you might actually believe what you are saying here.

I am not surprised you promote the Russian narrative, seems you tick all the boxes; anti-vaxer, conspiracy theorist now Russian propaganda promoter. A doctor, lawyer and related to secret agents at GCHQ. Remain as ‘speechless’ as you want.

 

a small selection of the Russian propaganda machine in full force;

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-novichok-nerve-agent-russia-ambassador-london-alexander-yakovenko-sergei-skripal-poisoning-a8268541.html?amp

[sixgun]

9 minutes ago, SilverPirate007 said:

I am not surprised you promote the Russian narrative, seems you tick all the boxes; anti-vaxer, conspiracy theorist now Russian propaganda promoter. A doctor, lawyer and related to secret agents at GCHQ. Remain as ‘speechless’ as you want.

Members can see who posts content of merit and who has nothing worth reading. 

[SilverPirate007]

3 minutes ago, sixgun said:

Members can see who posts content of merit and who has nothing worth reading. 

Indeed so 😂😂😂, very glad you pointed that out! ‘Merit’ is in the eye of the beholder sir. 

[goldmember44]

16 minutes ago, SilverPirate007 said:

Probably for the best. Russian propaganda has permeated our society to the point that UK citizens are turning on their own to promote the Russian narrative. You are a very good example of how successful they have been. Good day to you.

You don't know what you're talking about and you know nothing about me, so don't pretend that you do. If anyone is brainwashed it's you not me.

 

[SilverPirate007]

9 minutes ago, goldmember44 said:

You don't know what you're talking about and you know nothing about me, so don't pretend that you do. If anyone is brainwashed it's you not me.

 

I’m afraid you don’t have the faintest idea what you are talking about so don’t pretend that you do. Every opinion is valid but Unfortunately there has been an explosion in the brainwashed Russian promoters recently. Either way I don’t think I will be continuing this line of discussion as there doesn’t seem to be any point. 

[Nick1368]

2 hours ago, HawkHybrid said:

 

it's like saying you know our sun is going to die

 

 

HH

It’s gonna take sun billions of years to die but it’s not going to take that long for dollar to lose it’s power 🤣

[HawkHybrid]

49 minutes ago, Nick1368 said:

It’s gonna take sun billions of years to die but it’s not going to take that long for dollar to lose it’s power 🤣

 

how long is it likely to take. years, decades?

people are still piling into treasury bonds when

they are scared. think about this, almost 50 years

since bretton woods and we've barely moved from

when we started?

the collapse of the dollar is a generational event?

think of all the people who only recognise the dollar

as the global way to price assets. it's going to take a

lot of time for it to happen. in the mean time pm's

could quite possibly drop for 4 years because when

you are counting decades, 4 years might not be even

a blip.

 

from memory,

around 2013 china had ~$1.4T in treasury bonds/usd.

recent estimates puts that figure at ~$1T. it's taken

them over 5 years to reduce by about a third. should we

be guessing decade+?

(my data may not be quite accurate but the gist of it is

that china still has a sizeable holding despite being

unhappy many years ago with america using qe to

inflate away their assets)

 

HH

[Michal]

On 05/03/2020 at 14:24, zhoutonged said:

Reading your previous post I was pleased to see you mention the lie that we need an ever expanding money supply to grow an economy. If you think about it there is only one effect of an ever expanding supply of counterfeit money backed by confidence. An ever expanding wealth gap between the counterfeiters and the productive (and somewhat productive)

Clearly in a system that employed honest money the productive (and somewhat productive, me lolz) would be rewarded. This in turn would create a more productive economy, thus expanding the economy creating more wealth and opportunity for everyone. 

Socialism is not the answer to inequity, honest money is.

Socialism makes everybody equally poor. It is cutting everyone to down level never other way. 

[SilverPirate007]

29 minutes ago, Michal said:

Socialism makes everybody equally poor. It is cutting everyone to down level never other way. 

Socialism is an interesting construct and probably the fairest political ideology, I’m relatively rich but would prefer to pay more so others don’t suffer.

[silenceissilver]

On 05/03/2020 at 14:03, sixgun said:

We are in a world of many opposites - there is a simple reason for this -

Reality or the perception of it being turned upside down has  a name - satanism

On 05/03/2020 at 16:09, sixgun said:

HH i have gone over this several times in the past - gone over it with you. i have explained - the bank has no currency. The currency does not exist until i enter the equation. It is my promissory note - the one i created that creates the currency. i created the currency. The bank had nothing to lend and does not lend the currency. 

We have been over this several times - you just don't accept this or something. You just don't accept that a bank that had nothing can suddenly be owed £millions if not £billions and i have to focus my energy to create the value to exchange for this currency and then hand it over to the bank with interest.

This is what happens. i am leaving it there - i believe you are a good chap but in some subjects i feel like i am banging my head against a brick wall with you.

You have a claim against them to pay you legal tender, they have the obligation to deliver. At a bank run this becomes very obvious.

On 05/03/2020 at 16:09, sixgun said:

HH i have gone over this several times in the past - gone over it with you. i have explained - the bank has no currency. The currency does not exist until i enter the equation. It is my promissory note - the one i created that creates the currency. i created the currency. The bank had nothing to lend and does not lend the currency.

Spot on, they undergoe the promise to deliver legal tender should you ask for it. Btw, this way they also buy bonds. Would the government not offer bonds, the banks wouldn't have the money to buy them because money creation and issuing credit are two sides of the same coin, they happen simultaneousl . Which is odd because the taxpayer pays the banks interest on these bonds. I don't say the government wouldn't be tempted to print money if they issued currency themselves, simply that we pay banks interest because they have the legal power to create money by the means of balance sheet extension. (That means the enter the figure they give to you as credit into both sides of their balance sheet, once as their obligation to deliver legal tender, once as their demand against you to repay the credit. They add the same sum on either side and the balance sheet remains balanced. No other company has the power to carry out this balance sheet extension.

On 05/03/2020 at 15:27, sixgun said:

i sometimes think a complete collapse is the solution - rebooting. You might call that a revolution.

You overlook how revolutions happen. They don't just happen, they are merely a catalyst event at the end of a long process that proceeds - the change of the narratives has to happen before a revolution can take place. Think of the French Revolution. There were caricatures ridiculing the Royals many years prior to it. The hope for a collapse is the wet dream of the old right and an admission that they have failed to change the Overton window (changing what is deemed acceptable, in society). The mistake is to equal power with force rather than with authority. A father who has to beat his child every evening for it to go to bed in time, has no authority over his child, thus he needs to use force. Of course a collapse CAN result in a chang to the better, IF the prevailing narratives have been attacked and suffered enough at that point. Otherwise a collapse will strengthen the already existing powers and their authority over people as they can argue it's an emergency and they need more power to deal with it.

 

I don't know that much about silver mining, about the paper markets as sixgun and HH but, HH, your view on money creation helps me to put in place your views on the discussion about the question whether or not to view silver as money or not, as your views on money creation are completely off (reality).

[silenceissilver]

16 minutes ago, SilverPirate007 said:

Socialism is an interesting construct and probably the fairest political ideology, I’m relatively rich but would prefer to pay more so others don’t suffer.

It has killed 100.000.000 people but hey, this time it will work, promised.

Socialism is an euphemism for slavery. As effectively the top functionaries OWN everything, nobody else owns anything. (Owership means you can do whatever you want with your property. Despite some legal distinctions, effectively, the top functionaries own everything.)

 

Apart from that, socialism means to put upmost emphasis on equality. If everything was completely equal, you could not distinguish individual things from each other. If that was the case, no individual things would exist. Perfect socialism means nothing would exist, so there would be the big nothingness. Socialism therefore is the denial of being. It's therefore another word for satanism. Satan too hates the creation and wants to destroy it.

Socialism always wants to make everything completely equal, destroy the family, art, religion and even moaning for an individual. It has been outlined in utopic writings in similar ways for many centuries (e.g. "Utopia") and was practiced millennia ago (e.g. in ancient Egypt) back then not known under this term. Read the Socialist Phenomena by Igor Shavarevic who wrote this book in the USSR and unrevealed what Socialism really is.

[Michal]

10 minutes ago, SilverPirate007 said:

Socialism is an interesting construct and probably the fairest political ideology, I’m relatively rich but would prefer to pay more so others don’t suffer.

It is utopia, conception is great but it has one weak point, humans. People greed and power demand will never allow true socialism to exist. Ever read G. Orwell "Animal Farm"? I was living in such system and see on my own eyes what does it to society. You say you would prefer to share that other don't suffer, but would you give away everything you ave and get in return exactly the same amount of goods as everybody else, even that nine of 10 didn't move a finger for it? If you want to share do charity, don't dream about socialism coz it will become nightmare and you won't be able to wake up.

[SilverPirate007]

10 minutes ago, zhoutonged said:

You can without Socialism, it's called charity. You do not need to be forced and you do not need to force anyone else.

Ah that is where you are wrong, most rich people don’t give two hoots and don’t give to charity, I include myself in that statement. Not because I don’t care, just because I don’t think about it. Taxing me and others like me is the only way!

[SilverPirate007]

2 minutes ago, Michal said:

It is utopia, conception is great but it has one weak point, humans. People greed and power demand will never allow true socialism to exist. Ever read G. Orwell "Animal Farm"? I was living in such system and see on my own eyes what does it to society. You say you would prefer to share that other don't suffer, but would you give away everything you ave and get in return exactly the same amount of goods as everybody else, even that nine of 10 didn't move a finger for it? If you want to share do charity, don't dream about socialism coz it will become nightmare and you won't be able to wake up.

Animal farm is modelled on Bolshevism not socialism but I understand what point you are making. Orwell is a master political commentator.

[SilverPirate007]

13 minutes ago, silenceissilver said:

It has killed 100.000.000 people but hey, this time it will work, promised.

Socialism is an euphemism for slavery. As effectively the top functionaries OWN everything, nobody else owns anything. (Owership means you can do whatever you want with your property. Despite some legal distinctions, effectively, the top functionaries own everything.)

 

Apart from that, socialism means to put upmost emphasis on equality. If everything was completely equal, you could not distinguish individual things from each other. If that was the case, no individual things would exist. Perfect socialism means nothing would exist, so there would be the big nothingness. Socialism therefore is the denial of being. It's therefore another word for satanism. Satan too hates the creation and wants to destroy it.

Socialism always wants to make everything completely equal, destroy the family, art, religion and even moaning for an individual. It has been outlined in utopic writings in similar ways for many centuries (e.g. "Utopia") and was practiced millennia ago (e.g. in ancient Egypt) back then not known under this term. Read the Socialist Phenomena by Igor Shavarevic who wrote this book in the USSR and unrevealed what Socialism really is.

Ideologies don’t kill people. People kill people and no socialism has not killed 10000000 or whatever

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10 minutes ago, zhoutonged said:

I can understand youngsters with under developed levels of critical thinking buying into Socialism, but adults? Seriously?

Ah the arrogance of ignorance

[silenceissilver]

2 minutes ago, SilverPirate007 said:

Ideologies don’t kill people. People kill people and no socialism has not killed 10000000 or whatever

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Ah the arrogance of ignorance

If that is the case, Nazism has killed 0 people and it could be tried again.

[SilverPirate007]

Just now, silenceissilver said:

If that is the case, Nazism has killed 0 people and it could be tried again.

Sorry what are you implying? Nazism is a far right ideology and the polar opposite of socialism. I don’t think I will be drawn into some ignorant debate about it being national socialism as only those uneducated in history make that supposed  point.

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1 minute ago, zhoutonged said:

You don't give two hoots, you dont give to charity but you want to give bureaucrats draconian powers to steal from productive members of society. WOW

Oh seriously? You enjoy bending points I notice. Rather pathetic no. WOW

[silenceissilver]

10 minutes ago, SilverPirate007 said:

Ah that is where you are wrong, most rich people don’t give two hoots and don’t give to charity, I include myself in that statement. Not because I don’t care, just because I don’t think about it. Taxing me and others like me is the only way!

It's a fact that the poorest in the most capitalistic countries are richer than the poorest in socialistic countries. The rich don't need to give that much in a capitalistic society. And some still do.

[silenceissilver]

1 minute ago, SilverPirate007 said:

Sorry what are you implying? Nazism is a far right ideology and the polar opposite of socialism. I don’t think I will be drawn into some ignorant debate about it being national socialism as only those uneducated in history make that supposed  point.

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Oh seriously? You enjoy bending points I notice. Rather pathetic no. WOW

Nazism is the same as socialism. The only difference is who they have on their kill list. They both are universalistic ideologies with an eternal enemy that stands in the way of reaching paradise on earth.

[Martlet]

12 minutes ago, SilverPirate007 said:

Ideologies don’t kill people. People kill people and no socialism has not killed 10000000 or whatever

The ideologies do help though, giving people justification and cause for their actions. 

[Michal]

Socialism, bolshevism, leninism, maoism, komunism, natzism are all the same in their's core and ideology standing behind has the same principles. They are not called totalitarian regimes without reason. It always starts with good and honorable ideas and ends as slavery of mind and suffer of millions. "It wasn't real socialism, this time it will be different..." 

[SilverPirate007]

20 minutes ago, zhoutonged said:

Nazi = National Socialist Party

Get a grip

Another ignorant post from someone clueless in history. Shall I school you?

 

i think I shall. Hitler aimed to appeal to a broad a spectrum of society as possible. He targeted the working and middle classes, as well as big business. Hence the name ‘national’ and ‘socialist’. Opposites as socialism has the breaking of international borders at its core. 
 

socialism is about equality for all workers irrespective of national boundaries. Nazism is an ultra-right wing expansionist and ethnic fascist ideology. In fact the first thing Hitler did was imprison socialists and communists. 
 

Expansion into the east and the aryan ideology was closely aligned with the far right. Nazis immediately moved to promote and align with big business.

socialism and nazism are polar opposite. People in the right wing hold on to the name like some kind of safety blanket to protect themselves and their views.

[SilverPirate007]

1 minute ago, Michal said:

Socialism, bolshevism, leninism, maoism, komunism, natzism are all the same in their's core and ideology standing behind has the same principles. They are not called totalitarian regimes without reason. It always starts with good and honorable ideas and ends as slavery of mind and suffer of millions. "It wasn't real socialism, this time it will be different..." 

Good god!! The true ignorance of this post is breath taking. You lot may know economics but your history and political history is embarrassing.