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Absolutely! I decided to take early retirement last year, safe in the knowledge that my cash savings should comfortably carry me through until when I want to claim some of my smaller pensions. Then the Queen passed away after the Platinum Jubilee release and then all of the other releases came out and I blew most of my spare cash on just some of them. My fault for liking quintuples and for not taking into account the death of Her Majesty when pension planning.

The word on the streets is that those mintages are just @GoldDiggerDaves personal allocation.

According to my old notes there were several SOTD sovs in 2017 @SovCollector 1st SOTD = 6 Feb 2017 which was the 65th anniversary (Sapphire Jubilee) since Elizabeth was proclaimed Queen on the death of her father on 6 Feb 1952. The coin had a mintage of 750 and was a BU hand held triple strike. Reeded edge with narrow ribbing. 2nd SOTD = 1 Jul 2017 which was a plain edge BU sovereign with a mintage of 1,817 coins. 3rd SOTD = 20 Nov 2017 which was the 70th anniversary (Platinum Wedding Anniversary) of the marriage of the then Princess Elizabeth to Philip Mountbatten on 20 Nov 1947. Mintage of 750 coins. Almost identical to the 1st SOTD but it had wider ribbing on a reeded edge. Therefore only the 1 Jul SOTD had a plain edge. Finally there was the standard proof sov (which wasn’t standard at all with its magnificent garter design). Limited Edition mintage of 10,500 (individual boxes) and Maximum Coin mintage of 13,050 (including the ones in box sets). I hope all of this info helps you in your quest.

I’ve seen 1989 NGC PF70 sovereigns being advertised for sale or selling at £2K on a FB group. Though the mintages were high, they seem to be in demand particularly by new collectors. I believe that 70 grades are difficult to obtain on the 1989 series which is now well over 30 years old. My own 4 coin set is currently with NCS/NGC for conservation and grading.

Wow. I’ve been keeping @ST1986 busy as well today, but not as much as you though. I’m looking forward to receiving the 5 sovereign piece which will be an upgrade to my raw matte quintuple.

Hi @ST1986 PM sent.

I take your point, particularly about it killing off collecting for the normal person. My concern is the issue prices of recent sovereign releases. The specials create extra customer demand hence the RM can name its price and we buy them if we can afford to do so. Should we decline the opportunity to buy, then FOMO along with even a short passage of time might make us think what was I doing not grabbing one when they were “so cheap” at issue price? The spot price of gold remains high into the bargain yet the baseline issue prices of even regular proof sovereigns will continue to increase regardless of spot or specials. Sovereign collecting becomes more and more expensive and I feel that this will divert new collectors of proofs on to half sovs rather than full ones (purely because of affordability). The alternative is to collect bullion coins of course. With specials being the new norm in the last year or so (as determined by Royal events) I wonder how long it will be before we’re talking about special specials (2022 and 2023 for example) as opposed to normal specials or pretty average specials (2002 and 2005 I dare say with apologies)? Interesting times, but let’s get back to traditional rather than modern anytime soon please. God save the King (at least until we’re ready for more specials) 😉

No wonder RM quality control is so c**p if they’re pecking the coins now!

How very true Paul. I sometimes struggle with the same gripe.

I’m sure you haven’t. My comments were made in jest because you’re on Nicola Sturgeon’s doorstep so to speak. Please don’t take it personally.

Hi timsk Thanks very much for your insight. I completely agree with all of your reasoning and respect why you choose not to use a safe deposit box. Each to their own, as you say. As for insight into the criminal mind I’m no expert. I was a civilian worker for the Police but I obviously amassed a lot of knowledge and intelligence over the years. Your old fashioned burglar is an opportunist. He sees a key left inside the lock of a back door or a window left partially open and he decides whether to try and quietly force entry there and then, or to return in the small hours. In Scotland a lot of people don’t lock their doors when they’re at home both in the daytime and nighttime believe it or not, so the sneak thief can be in and out in seconds without the occupant realising, until they notice stuff has gone missing. They’ll target purses and wallets for cash and cards, along with mobile phones, cigarettes, alcohol and whatever’s conveniently lying around that takes their fancy. They don’t target properties which look too risky and they’d rather have an easier target and easier time of it. If the perpetrator has a vehicle then he can operate further afield and hit several properties in one area before driving on to another. Those without transport prefer to burgle nearby properties and even neighbours in order not to be caught still out on the streets if Police resources can permit swift attendance. Properties backing onto parks and other open land are also targeted as the culprit can use paths and other short cuts to make good his escape where Police vehicles cannot go. You’re probably well aware of modern day burglars. They usually operate in teams of 2,3 or 4 and their objective is to force entry into your property to obtain your car keys and drive off in the high performance vehicle which is parked up outside on show to all. They’ll stop at nothing and will use violence if they want to, in order to steal the vehicle by any means. Never leave your car keys in jacket pockets or ladies handbags downstairs overnight (assuming you live in a house) and don’t go down and open your front door if there’s a knock. Open a top floor window if you want to see who’s there, don’t assume there’s only one person and call the Police if you smell a rat. Better still, tell them that your partner isn’t happy with them being on your property and has just phoned the Police. I’m saying don’t do this and don’t do that but it’s just general advice and not specifically aimed at you of course. Suffice to say that the Police have ways and means of how they go about dealing with the above situations, depending on whether they are live incidents or not. As for our coin collections, I don’t believe anyone will specifically target our properties for our coins if nobody knows we collect coins in the first place. Due to the nature of our hobby and investments we can be just as cunning and furtive as your average criminal. Thanks for the chat @timsk

At the end of the day, i.e. the end of your appointment, you either have to take your coins home with you, or say goodbye and give them a hug until next time. It removes some of the fun of collecting gold coins when you can’t stroke them or read them bedtime stories every night.

Simples. Don’t use bank boxes. Banks are becoming more scarce on High Streets all over the UK. Private companies offer safe deposit boxes which require opening by the company key along with your own key. With ample but thorough research it’s not too difficult to source a company that meets your requirements. You may have to be prepared to travel beyond your normal area though, which is a small price to pay for peace of mind. Just stay alert when approaching and exiting the premises though. You may be being watched. There’s a bus shelter outside my present facility and I just stroll up a few minutes before my appointment and pretend I’m waiting for a bus whilst I scan my surroundings. 14 years in Police surveillance taught me a trick or two and I know a lot of the local scallies 😉

Hmm. However if your Safe Deposit Box Facility is located where I used to store my coins in Glasgow then that would be in the constituency of the MSP Nicola Sturgeon. Should Police Scotland make enquiries regarding her and/or her husband there, then they can instruct that locus to open up whatever boxes they choose (assisted by a locksmith if necessary). I wouldn’t lose too much sleep over it though, unless the Police notice a box belongs to a Mr TheShinyStuff 😁

Of course you remember them! You just roll up your sleeves and there they are, tattooed on both of your arms!

I have this DPL quintuple coin raw as well as a PF70 proof version, so I can compare the 2 coins together. Anyone tempted by Quantum Stacker’s coin has to know that it’s a very attractive and much cheaper alternative to the proof quintuple version. The reverse on both versions is almost identical. The only difference to my eye is the field is slightly darker on one version than the other version. So you get a proof matching special design on the reverse of the DPL for roughly half the price of PF70 asking prices (currently £6.5K to over £7K). The one noticeable difference being the obverse of the DPL is BU, whereas the proof is er, proof. But who looks at that side of the coin when there’s a special design on the reverse (as the coin in the slab shows)? A top grade DPL is a superb alternative to the proof version in my opinion. Good luck with your sale @QuantumStacker.

Very good argument for the motion! I’m starting to chill already.

It takes a lot to offend me but when I read the topic title “Big nugget You tube” I want to know why you’re calling me a big nugget and a tube? C’mon now, lets have some respect on this forum please!

The Royal Mint Coin Club clearly had some spelling issues back then. The description goes from half sovereign to soveriegn, plus the coins are masterpeices when they should be masterpieces… unless they only come in the 22 carrot version of course!

I think the Mint slipped up by putting the initials BP on both coin versions @GoldDiggerDave. Surely only Prince George’s 5th Birthday deserves the Birthday Party invites?

Totally agree. The smooth rim on the SOTD gave it away for me when comparing the 2 side by side pics (they opened up in a separate tab so I only noticed the pics with the NGC labels afterwards). The numerals look nicer on the SOTD as well, plus the field is clearly visible between George’s head and the horse’s mane. The gap between the two isn’t apparent on the standard proof. The SOTD does lack the privy mark though.

“Wonkies” hey? Can you copyright that? I can’t say I noticed it listed as a choice of NGC grading labels.

Seriously my friend, your eye for coins and proclamation details are second to none and your dedication to TSF is much to be admired. Whereas folk like me can just occasionally sneak in and out on the forum without anybody noticing, you cannot creep away without alerting the forum guard dogs. I’d say keep up the good work but I know you will. Cheers for now. S

Are you sure you don’t have 2 separate coins in separate square holders buddy? It looks to me that, when you were looking for your camera, the King took the opportunity to grab a quick peek at the design on the reverse of the coin above him. He was fed up hearing it’s behind you!

Plus you’re in Cyprus which doesn’t really help matters. Bankman-Fried may get his first jail release before you get a first release.