2015 Sovereign, 5th Portrait (Clark), Bullion - Does it exist?

[Charliemouse]

According to the Marsh book, no. 343 does not exist.  Jumps from 341 (bullion) and 342 (proof) IRB, to 344 (proof) Clark in 2015.

According to the price guide that comes with the book, 343 does exist, and is of normal value, therefore presumably relatively common.

My guess is that the price guide is wrong.  But does anyone know for certain?

[Petra]

There were two strike on the day sovereigns done, the second one for Prince Georges 2nd birthday was the fifth portrait, but was only in the hundreds. These were BU not proof.

[Booky586]

It's listed in the 2017 edition 👍

[Britannia47]

1 hour ago, Charliemouse said:

According to the Marsh book, no. 343 does not exist.  Jumps from 341 (bullion) and 342 (proof) IRB, to 344 (proof) Clark in 2015.

According to the price guide that comes with the book, 343 does exist, and is of normal value, therefore presumably relatively common.

My guess is that the price guide is wrong.  But does anyone know for certain?

Which book are you reading?

[SheepStacker]

2 hours ago, Charliemouse said:

According to the Marsh book, no. 343 does not exist.  Jumps from 341 (bullion) and 342 (proof) IRB, to 344 (proof) Clark in 2015.

According to the price guide that comes with the book, 343 does exist, and is of normal value, therefore presumably relatively common.

My guess is that the price guide is wrong.  But does anyone know for certain?

I have a few 2015 bullion Sovs, just checked and they're all IRB portrait.

[Simonz]

This is the only other mention I can find of 2015 5th head bullion.

https://goldsovereignexpert.com/coins/368/2015-Gold-Sovereign/

Can't find any listed for sale anywhere though, only proofs. Marsh 2021 edition makes no mention of 343, as you say. Most other sites seem to suggest only proofs of 5th head in 2015.

I have a BU 2015 SOTD Charlotte which has I.R.B 4th head.

[refero]

9 hours ago, Charliemouse said:

My guess is that the price guide is wrong.  But does anyone know for certain?

your guess is right; 2015 5th portrait bullion does not exist

[Charliemouse]

16 hours ago, Britannia47 said:

Which book are you reading?

I have the 2021 edition.  The previous page ends on 342.

[Charliemouse]

The case of the disappearing 343.

[Britannia47]

https://britanniacoincompany.com/search/?q=proof+2015+sovereign

It must be a book error then in the 2021 Marsh/Hill version. Both versions by IRB and Clark exist - Bullion and proof it seems!

Thanks Charliemouse 🙂

[Charliemouse]

6 minutes ago, Britannia47 said:

https://britanniacoincompany.com/search/?q=proof+2015+sovereign

It must be a book error then in the 2021 Marsh/Hill version. Both versions by IRB and Clark exist - Bullion and proof it seems!

Thanks Charliemouse 🙂

I still can't find any solid evidence, like a photograph or sales listing.  It's very elusive if it exists.

According to @Petra the only non-proof 2015 JC sovereigns might be a handful of SotD coins for the royal birth.

Considering it's not that long ago, I'd be amazed if someone on here didn't have one, or at least have heard of one.

[Britannia47]

2 hours ago, Charliemouse said:

I still can't find any solid evidence, like a photograph or sales listing.  It's very elusive if it exists.

According to @Petra the only non-proof 2015 JC sovereigns might be a handful of SotD coins for the royal birth.

Considering it's not that long ago, I'd be amazed if someone on here didn't have one, or at least have heard of one.

Hello again,

It may be worth emailing Steve Hill at SovR to get clarification on this issue, (as I have done in the past) If anyone knows he will. The RM has a nearly 25% stake in Sovereign Rarities so presumably gets access to expert information when needed, as well as a share in their profits…….!

[Petra]

Oh no

Edited November 21, 2022 by Petra
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[Petra]

6 minutes ago, Petra said:

Oh no

Ignore

[LawrenceChard]

On 20/11/2022 at 22:00, Charliemouse said:

According to the Marsh book, no. 343 does not exist.  Jumps from 341 (bullion) and 342 (proof) IRB, to 344 (proof) Clark in 2015.

According to the price guide that comes with the book, 343 does exist, and is of normal value, therefore presumably relatively common.

My guess is that the price guide is wrong.  But does anyone know for certain?

It's amazing how easy it is to forget stuff like this, and always risky to say or know a thing does not exist, rather like trying to prove a negative.

This is partly why I used to include information like this on our "Heritage Sites", although I still try to get our staff to include such information on our new site.

From memory, I would have instantly replied "no", but this would have been followed by "but I will check".

Of course, you have the Marsh book, but people have reported some errors.

😎

[Charliemouse]

1 minute ago, LawrenceChard said:

Of course, you have the Marsh book, but people have reported some errors.

Indeed.

And as you see above, two editions of Marsh disagree.

[Charliemouse]

Personally, at the moment, I am leaning towards it not existing, or at least being very rare.  Simply because it's only 7 years ago, and if it was common I would be amazed no one here has one.

[LawrenceChard]

5 minutes ago, Charliemouse said:

Indeed.

And as you see above, two editions of Marsh disagree.

I had not noticed that, but only briefly scanned the thread.

😎

[LawrenceChard]

4 minutes ago, Charliemouse said:

Personally, at the moment, I am leaning towards it not existing, or at least being very rare.  Simply because it's only 7 years ago, and if it was common I would be amazed no one here has one.

Lean on!

If there had been a buillion version, we would have been selling them, and would even have the photos to prove it!

😎