"Venters" silver 10 ounce bar Test results

[LawrenceChard]

On 19/06/2020 at 18:06, LawrenceChard said:

4 x "Venters" silver 10 ounce bars:

I must admit I had never heard of Venters before.

I intend to ensure we test one of them.

It took us some time to get round to it, but we did end up testing all 4 of these bars, with strange results.

All were under 999 p.p.t. silver, but all were overweight, but I am happy to say that all worked out to contain more than 10 troy ounces of pure silver.

The Niton test results for the worst of the 4 is shown here:

Calculation: 339 grams / 31.1035 = 10.89909496 troy ounces gross, x .928 = 10.11436012 troy ounces of fine silver.
The other 3 are also shown in adjacent screenshots.

[ChrisSilver]

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[Arganto]

I suppose if they didn't have "Fine Silver" stamped on them it wouldn't be an issue 😁 

If the advertised 10 oz of silver is in them I'd be happy buying but they should really have something on them stating 'Nominal 92.0' or 'Min 92% Ag". Wouldn't look as fancy then though!

Cool find and thanks for sharing @LawrenceChard

[LawrenceChard]

47 minutes ago, ChrisSilver said:

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Thanks.

Quick suggestion, how about a thumbs up emoji response, signifying seen and understood / agreed, we use it in Microsoft Teams, where it is very useful.🙂

[LawrenceChard]

34 minutes ago, Liam84 said:

I suppose if they didn't have "Fine Silver" stamped on them it wouldn't be an issue 😁 

If the advertised 10 oz of silver is in them I'd be happy buying but they should really have something on them stating 'Nominal 92.0' or 'Min 92% Ag". Wouldn't look as fancy then though!

Cool find and thanks for sharing @LawrenceChard

I agree.

Most people I have seen offering these for sale omit to disclose any test results, probably because they do not know.

This is partly why I have published detailed information here, on Flickr, and eventually on our website, as we believe in transparency, honesty, and full disclosure.

[5huggy]

6 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

Thanks.

Quick suggestion, how about a thumbs up emoji response, signifying seen and understood / agreed, we use it in Microsoft Teams, where it is very useful.🙂

👍

[LawrenceChard]

34 minutes ago, WotNxt said:

Is that composition similar to sterling silver?  

Well, yes, as sterling silver is at least 925 p.p.t., and this one is .928; then I would say it is not just similar to, but actually is sterling silver.

Would that suggest these might have been made from melting down jewellery?

Who knows? Perhaps. Does it matter?

If you care to scrutinise all 4 test results shown on Flickr, you will see traces of Cadmium and even Gold, in some of them, whioh may tend to indicate a scrap jewellery provenance, but both those metals also occur naturally in conjunction with silver in ore deposits, but...

The bars are what they are.

[LawrenceChard]

1 hour ago, ChrisSilver said:

Moved to a new topic as to not let the “Today I received.....” topic go too much off topic  

More questions...

How can I, as a user, move a post to a new topic?

and... Is that the best treatment when it relates to or is a follow-up to an existing post in an existing topic?

Do many of your members ask so many questions?

Am I being dumb?

[MrUpwardlyMobile]

11 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

Well, yes, as sterling silver is at least 925 p.p.t., and this one is .928; then I would say it is not just similar to, but actually is sterling silver.

Would that suggest these might have been made from melting down jewellery?

Who knows? Perhaps. Does it matter?

If you care to scrutinise all 4 test results shown on Flickr, you will see traces of Cadmium and even Gold, in some of them, whioh may tend to indicate a scrap jewellery provenance, but both those metals also occur naturally in conjunction with silver in ore deposits, but...

The bars are what they are.

It’s bars of sterling. The only issue is that they’re stamped fine instead of sterling.

[ChrisSilver]

22 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

Quick suggestion, how about a thumbs up emoji response, signifying seen and understood / agreed, we use it in Microsoft Teams, where it is very useful.🙂

There is the "Thanks" and "SuperThanks" emojis.
 

8 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

How can I, as a user, move a post to a new topic?

It is not possible, so please post in the correct areas. However, a user can hit the report button and report a post/topic as in the wrong section add the Moderation team and move it if  needed.
 

8 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

and... Is that the best treatment when it relates to or is a follow-up to an existing post in an existing topic?

Some posts will take the original topic off topic and may be better suited to their own topics.

If you require further assistance on the forum, please private message me. Rather than discussing in a topic and making that go off topic.

[5huggy]

5 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

More questions...

How can I, as a user, move a post to a new topic?

and... Is that the best treatment when it relates to or is a follow-up to an existing post in an existing topic?

Do many of your members ask so many questions?

Am I being dumb?

Nope

maybe

yes

nope

I hope that answers your questions @LawrenceChard

Seriously now!

To actually move ,having posted - one needs to contact the admin /moderators - easy way is just tag @HelpingHands, @morezone, @ChrisSilver they are usually "on the ball"

and sort that sort of request with "alacrity"!  😉

[LawrenceChard]

1 hour ago, 5huggy said:

Nope

maybe

yes

nope

I hope that answers your questions @LawrenceChard

Seriously now!

To actually move ,having posted - one needs to contact the admin /moderators - easy way is just tag @HelpingHands, @morezone, @ChrisSilver they are usually "on the ball"

and sort that sort of request with "alacrity"!  😉

I was quite happy with the 4 x one word answers!

Edited July 4, 2020 by LawrenceChard
fixed typo

[5huggy]

Just now, LawrenceChard said:

I was quite happy with the 4 1 one word answers!

👍

[LawrenceChard]

1 hour ago, MrUpwardlyMobile said:

It’s bars of sterling. The only issue is that they’re stamped fine instead of sterling.

Sure, they all qualify for sterling, but some of them exceed sterling standard, which is not quite the same as calling them sterliing, and I agree that stamping them as "Fine Silver" is questionable, as is the behaviour of numerous vendors reselling them as fine silver when they do not know, and have not tested them. At least the actual silver content exceeds the stated weight.

If the makers could be questioned, they might argue that they do contain 10 ounces of fine silver, but it still does not excuse the somewhat lax wording.

[MrUpwardlyMobile]

7 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

Sure, they all qualify for sterling, but some of them exceed sterling standard, which is not quite the same as calling them sterliing, and I agree that stamping them as "Fine Silver" is questionable, as is the behaviour of numerous vendors reselling them as fine silver when they do not know, and have not tested them. At least the actual silver content exceeds the stated weight.

If the makers could be questioned, they might argue that they do contain 10 ounces of fine silver, but it still does not excuse the somewhat lax wording.

Agreed. Objectively, the resellers should have noticed the weight was off as well.

[Darr3nG]

@LawrenceChard - any chance you still have the test results still available? The original flickr link is dead.

They are beautiful bars!

[LawrenceChard]

11 hours ago, Darr3nG said:

@LawrenceChard - any chance you still have the test results still available? The original flickr link is dead.

They are beautiful bars!

I found some photos of the bars:

They all tested slightly different!

... and they look slightly porous.

Above and below are 2 phone pics of quick Niton tests, but I don't know which related to which bar.

I believe we supplied an original Niton test sheet with each of the bars when we sold them.

😎