Viking-Saxon gold 'Stolen'

[kimchi]

2 minutes ago, Notafront4adragon said:

Suicide accounts for the most deaths of men, gay or otherwise, under 40. Also white men are represent more than 3/4 of those deaths.

Per capita?

[Notafront4adragon]

2 hours ago, KDave said:

White British have a sub replacement birthrate of 1.8 children per couple, I'd say we are in need of native population growth. Population growth from immigration is agree we don't need any more. 

Who are native British people and where do you get a 1.8 birth rate? 

[Melon]

13 minutes ago, Roy said:

Do we have a choice?

Sure we do. 

12 minutes ago, kimchi said:

Which sub-population does it affect do you think?

Gender dysphoria impacts many who struggle with gender identity - so within the LGBT group it would be the T. There's quite a stark difference between being attracted to same-sex relationships (LGB) and believing yourself to be born into the wrong body (T). This is obviously a huge simplification and I'm no expert on the topic. 

[Notafront4adragon]

24 minutes ago, kimchi said:

Per capita?

If you are a white man under 40 in the UK you are most likely to die by suicide.  

Yes per capita. If you're Scottish it's even more likely you'll die by suicide. 

Rates spiked in 2017. Hmm what happened then?

Sorry rates spiked in 2018 but began rising in 2017.

[Roy]

3 minutes ago, Melon said:

There's quite a stark difference between being attracted to same-sex relationships (LGB) and believing yourself to be born into the wrong body (T). This is obviously a huge simplification and I'm no expert on the topic. 

Unlike Darwin?

[Notafront4adragon]

4 minutes ago, Roy said:

Unlike Darwin?

Darwin may have suggested ideas for evolution but he himself wasn't too sure and he couldn't explain mechanisms for how a species evoles. 

I don't think he had much of a stance on LGBT issues however.

He shagged his much younger cousin too so not sure he cared too much for social sensibilities.

[Roy]

1 minute ago, Notafront4adragon said:

I don't think he had much of a stance on LGBT issues however.

Then someone should've educated him! 😃

[kimchi]

Just now, Melon said:

Gender dysphoria impacts many who struggle with gender identity - so within the LGBT group it would be the T. There's quite a stark difference between being attracted to same-sex relationships (LGB) and believing yourself to be born into the wrong body (T). This is obviously a huge simplification and I'm no expert on the topic.

Thanks, that's what I understood from a very articulate transgender lady who transitioned in the 70s and imo has a long and deep insight into the issues.

I am confused though, because your post argues against putting people in groups, and yet a sentence or two later and you are grouping transgenders with lesbian, gay and bisexual folk (?)

10 minutes ago, Notafront4adragon said:

If you are a white man under 40 in the UK you are most likely to die by suicide.  

Yes per capita. If you're Scottish it's even more likely you'll die by suicide.

Sorry, I should have asked if that is a % of the ethnic group.

[Notafront4adragon]

6 minutes ago, Roy said:

Then someone should've educated him! 😃

Probably wasn't a big deal. There were some looooong sea voyages.

[Melon]

14 minutes ago, Roy said:

Unlike Darwin?

I'm struggling to follow your questions!

5 minutes ago, kimchi said:

Thanks, that's what I understood from a very articulate transgender lady who transitioned in the 70s and imo has a long and deep insight into the issues.

I am confused though, because your post argues against putting people in groups, and yet a sentence or two later and you are grouping transgenders with lesbian, gay and bisexual folk (?)

Sorry, I should have asked if that is a % of the ethnic group.

On the contrary, the sentiment of my post was quite clear - it doesn't make much sense to group LGB and T together. I think that response was a little pedantic to be honest. 

[KDave]

36 minutes ago, Notafront4adragon said:

By this logic then being a white male under 40 is the not good state of being. 

Suicide accounts for the most deaths of men, gay or otherwise, under 40. Also white men are represent more than 3/4 of those deaths. 

So yeah I guess we should not promote being a white man as a good state of being. It's clearly wrong.

Are we comparing the white race to a lifestyle choice now? Where is the logic in that position? Ill not be rude.  

White suicide rate is a recent trend, what could cause a race of people to want to opt out of existence, where before they were content to stay around, I wonder. 

LGBT is a lifestyle choice associated with a high suicide rate, it has always been high despite an increase in acceptance socially. You can't tell me they have it hard today compared to historically, yet the suicide rate is still high. Apply some logic to it and what conclusion do you reach? Apply the same conditions to white people, how have they had it in the past and how are they treated today. Tell me what you conclude. 

[sovereignsteve]

13 minutes ago, Melon said:

it doesn't make much sense to group LGB and T together

Why not? These groups are the ones outwith the traditional heterosexual male/female stereotypes. As such, all are in a minority grouping whose "pathophysiology" is unknown but probably connected in some way.

I use the term pathophysiology loosely, for want of a better one, being aware that the word is commonly used in reference to disease states. That impression is not my intention.

[Melon]

1 minute ago, sovereignsteve said:

Why not? These groups are the ones outwith the traditional heterosexual male/female stereotypes. As such, all are in a minority grouping whose "pathophysiology" is unknown but probably connected in some way.

I use the term pathophysiology loosely, for want of a better one, being aware that the word is commonly used in reference to disease states. That impression is not my intention.

For the exact reasons I stated in the previous post. Attraction to same-sex and a belief you're in the wrong body are very different things. The latter is strongly linked to health problems, the former is not. I suspect the rational for grouping them is that the transgender society is so tiny that they wouldn't have much of a voice on their own. 

I'm not really sure how we've ended up on a debate about LGBT to be honest. 

[Melon]

15 minutes ago, KDave said:

LGBT is a lifestyle choice associated with a high suicide rate

I don't think this is true - do you have a source? Again, a tiny minority of LGBT (being the T) have that high suicide rate. The rest of the community does not to the best of my knowledge. 

[Notafront4adragon]

1 minute ago, Melon said:

For the exact reasons I stated in the previous post. Attraction to same-sex and a belief you're in the wrong body are very different things. The latter is strongly linked to health problems, the former is not. I suspect the rational for grouping them is that the transgender society is so tiny that they wouldn't have much of a voice on their own. 

I'm not really sure how we've ended up on a debate about LGBT to be honest. 

The conclusion I've drawn is the government(s) is/are stealing money from metal dectorists to fund a gay cabal intent of destroying family values and promoting Satanism. Also immigration is bad.

[KDave]

1 minute ago, Melon said:

I don't think this is true - do you have a source? Again, a tiny minority of LGBT (being the T) have that high suicide rate. The rest of the community does not to the best of my knowledge. 

Must we play games about sources and definitions, I very well understand that it's called LGBT for reasons of political expediency and that the rules of this game are malleable as the meanings. Sources are easy to find if you look in the right places. 

[Melon]

4 minutes ago, Notafront4adragon said:

The conclusion I've drawn is the government(s) is/are stealing money from metal dectorists to fund a gay cabal intent of destroying family values and promoting Satanism. Also immigration is bad.

Spot on 🤣

Just now, KDave said:

Must we play games about sources and definitions, I very well understand that it's called LGBT for reasons of political expediency and that the rules of this game are malleable as the meanings. Sources are easy to find if you look in the right places. 

Yea kinda. If you're going to accuse gay people of being likely to kill themselves, you should probably be ready to support that assertion. Otherwise it's just fiction isn't it? 

[KDave]

4 minutes ago, Notafront4adragon said:

The conclusion I've drawn is the government(s) is/are stealing money from metal dectorists to fund a gay cabal intent of destroying family values and promoting Satanism. Also immigration is bad.

If you can not entertain an idea, it is perhaps best not to engage at all. Clearly it is too difficult.  

[KDave]

2 minutes ago, Melon said:

Spot on 🤣

Yea kinda. If you're going to accuse gay people of being likely to kill themselves, you should probably be ready to support that assertion. Otherwise it's just fiction isn't it? 

You can find the data yourself, they publish it themselves for thier own purposes. Only now that is not convenient, suddenly it's fiction. Not surprising really is it. 

[Notafront4adragon]

2 minutes ago, KDave said:

If you can not entertain an idea, it is perhaps best not to engage at all. Clearly it is too difficult.  

Ok boomer.

[KDave]

Just now, Notafront4adragon said:

Ok boomer.

I am too young for that one sorry, i am technically of the Millennials God help me. 

[Notafront4adragon]

3 minutes ago, KDave said:

I am too young for that one sorry, i am technically of the Millennials God help me. 

Calm down Snowflake??

[Melon]

5 minutes ago, KDave said:

You can find the data yourself, they publish it themselves for thier own purposes. Only now that is not convenient, suddenly it's fiction. Not surprising really is it. 

I subscribe to the church of the mighty Flying Spaghetti Monster. We have evidence that a Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe with his giant noodly appendage. He decreed from the heavens that it's OK to be gay. None of us were around to hear that decree of course, but we have written accounts of it. He is the source of all wisdom. 

There's loads of evidence of course, but I can't be bothered to provide it. You can find the data yourself.

[AndrewSL76]

The initial posting was about the issue relevant to sentencing. It is important to understand that the sentences handed down were not just in relation to theft, but also conspiracy to conceal criminal property. Sentencing guidelines set out clearly that theft carries a maximum sentence of 7 years and that money laundering (conspiracy to conceal criminal property) carries a maximum sentence of 14 years. 

Given the extent of the theft and the actions of the two individuals, the sentencing, in my view, is correct.

If anyone has ever been to Leominster, this will not present as a surprise. It is caked in history and has vast farming land that is no doubt hiding tonnes of beautiful old coins! I have spent a fair bit of time there and it is a strange old place. I often wondered what was buried 'neath' the fair fields.........now we have an idea. Just a shame these two people decided to act in the way that they did.

PS - Catholics take communion and receive the blood of Christ and the Body of Christ. Do members of the congregation of the 'Church of the mighty Flying Spaghetti Monster' receive Ragu and Massive Meat Balls? If so, where can I sign up, please?

[KDave]

49 minutes ago, Melon said:

I subscribe to the church of the mighty Flying Spaghetti Monster. We have evidence that a Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe with his giant noodly appendage. He decreed from the heavens that it's OK to be gay. None of us were around to hear that decree of course, but we have written accounts of it. He is the source of all wisdom. 

There's loads of evidence of course, but I can't be bothered to provide it. You can find the data yourself.

A cowardly deflection from a topic you are clearly neither willing or comfortable talking about. Discourse requires some generosity to take place, you may not know me to take my word on the data, but it wouldn't take much to find it.