sixgun

You are a collector - you are arranging your collection - this is not a business, you aren't a commercial entity in this. You are living life and doing your thing with your private property. Yeah i forgot you were dealing with a 400 oz good delivery bar. i guess a £615k transaction would be declared.

Are you are collector? Did you buy that gold bar as part of your collection? Seems like it - you kept it for 'some years' - hardly the thing a trader would do. You clearly aren't doing this commercially. The bar belonged to you, it was part of your private property - it was a chattel. You sold the bar for £1500. That's less than the £6000 per sale threshold for chattels. No need to declare it. This has been covered before on the forum - and i feel sure you were involved in some of those discussions. Stop trying to give your hard earned money away to the criminals in Westminster, they only squander it anyway.

This would be a Queen Victoria duty mark - after rotating the mark it is super obvious. Here is a reference example @Carptastic1 - there is another mark on the right that we cannot see - this is the maker's mark - if you can ahow a better photo of that we might be able to work out who the maker is.

Looks like it. The manmade climate change is a scam - a hoax. Ordinary people struggling to get along are being hit with rising mortgage cost, runaway inflation in general, in London the ULEZ scam and now this BS. You will own nothing.

@ZRPMs - looks like the Bill passed.

i take it this ring is gold and it is 'very old'. i see a lion passant guardant there - well it think that is what it is. Looks like the lion is facing forwards. https://www.marklittler.com/the-history-of-british-hallmarking/ The lion passant still appears on silver but it used to appear on gold as well. The lion passant was the fineness mark used on 22 carat gold from 1544 until 1844. The 18 carat gold standard was introduced in 1798 and was marked with a crown and the number 18. After 1844 both 18 ct and 22 ct standards were marked with a crown and either the number 22 or 18. So on that basis we are looking at a 22 ct gold ring from between 1544 and 1844. Are we looking at the date letter for 1839 on its side? If we say a gothic D, that is 1839 for the London assay office. It is other years for other offices. So it appears to our eye as It all depends on what we think this mark is - which i think is the mark for the assay office.

i don't think this plating, or whatever it is, has affected the definition. If you look around you can find these cast copies of minting medallions. Some people make silver objects using lost-wax casting. A copy mould is made and then wax reproductions poured. This was repro is then put in a sand mould with sprues which is a treelike structure of wax that will eventually provide paths for the molten casting material to flow and for air to escape. This is why i asked if the lump at the top of the metal was a sprue. You get a pretty good copy but it isn't the quality of the minted medallion.

Well unless you have given it a really good polish i would guess this is something like chrome plated and in your first photo the plate is coming off. The second medalleon is even cheaper than the King George V medallion. The quality is shocking - it looks like it is very poorly cast - the definition is dreadful. What is going on at the top edge of this medallion? Is this a sprue from a casting. It is a copy of something of a much higher quality. When you compare the pieces side-by-side. https://en.numista.com/catalogue/exonumia87724.html

This is to do with the British Empire Exhibition in Wembly in 1924. The hole at the top of the medal appears to have been drilled in afterwards. The quality of the piece appears low. The look of the medal is not that of silver, it does not look like silver to me, which is probably a disappointment. It has the general appearance of this medal from the same period and was previously for sale on Etsy. This doesn't look like silver either.

Britannia looks a bit man-like on that coin. Is this the first 'trans' Britannia?

A few additions to the pirate's chest over the last week - all off TSF. Five Gillicks from @flyingveepixie Then a nice double Jubilee sovereign from @Stuh Then 5 interesting 2 oz Korean silver 'masks' (Kitsune) from @Johnboysilver Then the last for today - a whole load of Sterling Pincher's medallions at less than the spot price of silver at the time from @AdamDutton - one medallion got missed off the photo but you get the impression.

2008 Proof, 2015 Proof - taken.

These are Germania bars - not Geiger.

i see on the European Mint website they advertise that items are sold using the VAT margin scheme. So yes there is some VAT in the price - a full 20% on the base price which isn't the VAT margin scheme but hey let's roll with it. But as the coins would be exported out of the EU, this should be done VAT free. i wouldn't even think to buy coins unless VAT were deducted. When the package arrives at the UK border the chances are there will be VAT and additional charges levied. So expect 20% on the VAT free price of the coins plus VAT on the cost of shipping. Shipping costs are counted in the value of the package. https://www.europeanmint.com/terms/ i am thinking whether you would get shipping VAT free or will get clipped for EU VAT and UK VAT. Perhaps someone knows this. Then there will be a handling fee - for the pleasure of someone applying VAT to your parcel. When i get stuff delivered to Spain from the UK the value of the parcel is generally low - so there isn't much IVA to pay (VAT) - it is pennies BUT there are nearly always charges. Very occassionally i have got away with nothing but it is unusual. The extras are usually around 15 €. So you need to factor all of this in. i can see they are selling to the EU with no VAT if you arrange the shipping separately. So i would subtract VAT and there would be nothing extra to pay other than shipping costs. Doing the sums goldsilver.be works out cheaper for me.

For once... It nearly had me convinced. Good job you got there ahead of me.

They are selling on goldsilver.be at this price - except if you are in the UK you'd have been pay customs' charges. Very good price.

i'll take all of them - pm coming

It's in the pirate chest now.

As a minimum you should put up photos of your bar.

Tell us where you bought these bars. What you paid and what sort of bar they are. Show us photos. I have lots of 1 oz silver bars that aren't in a capsule. I'd say the majority don't have a capsule. Some of them are in a plastic shrink wrap. I have never bothered to weigh my 1 oz bars so i don't know what the variation in weight is. I know i have seen LOTS of 1 oz bars that are fake. I have some in a drawer myself. This is in the back of the minds of all those who have replied. This is your 'main concern' - are the bars genuine silver or worthless plated bars. The variation in the weight makes me concerned. So give us more information and photos. NEVER buy silver bars like this on ebay. You can get '1 oz silver bars' from places like Alibaba - they are fake and cost a dollar or two - then sellers put them on ebay for the full silver price. Even when you report this ebay does nothing about it. Where you buy the bars is very important. You are pretty safe buying from The Silver Forum especially if you buy from a well respected member. The alternative is to buy from a proper dealer. i don't know dealers in France. https://goldsilver.be/en/112-bars sells a few bars and generally have good prices. Also don't worry that you never introduced yourself - i never did that, i can't be bothered with that sort of thing. You're here now and that is what matters.

Well it is under spot.

kk i'll take these.

It's the Birmingham Assay Office hallmark.

There isn't really a moot point when looking at rounds. Rounds aren't legal tender - they aren't coins - they are shiny things with patterns stamped on them that people collect. As long as you are acting as a collector, as a private individual, not involved in commerce, they are private possessions and that means chattels. So collect away UK coins, rounds foreign and domestic, along with bars (other than non-UK coins bars). UK coins are CGT exempt and rounds / bars are chattels. You can sell lots of chattels of less than £6000 - as many as you like in a tax year and you don't declare this. As your accountant - look it up. Members get too bothered about CGT. Most of us are private individuals, we are collectors rearranging our private collections - non of HMRC's business.

It depends on the rounds. Rounds are not as common in the UK. If you go to dealer sites you will see that rounds are a lot sparser. This means they can go for good prices in the aftermarket. Atkinsons have quite a few on offer at the moment - i think this is unusual - they are a touch more than KCIII coins. Silver Coins | Atkinsons Bullion If the round has a pleasing design it will probably do better than the run of the mill coin, b/c the coin is run of the mill. As far a CGT goes - we have talked about this a lot. You are a collector. These items are part of your collection - they are your personal private property. Take a look at this post (below) and my post a couple of posts after this. I believe rounds (which are not legal tender or else they would be coins) are Chattels. As long as when you sell them each sale is not more than £6000 then it is you selling your private personal property and there is no requirelemt to declare this. If you split the lots you sold to one person into multiple £5999 lots to get round declaring the sales, HMRC says you must declare these sales. By the looks of things you should have UK coins or silver rounds / bars. Non-UK coins are chargeable under CGT.