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This is why they lie. They lie to make people believe there is plenty of silver, no shortages, no chance of missing out, no chance a manufacturer will run short of supplies. As long as they can keep enough people on the paper side of silver and away from physical it can and has worked. They can cycle price up and down, smashing price as they like, driving down morale amongst investors. They've done it for years. It all works as long as there is enough physical for those they cannot fob off. Once enough people start taking physical out of their system, once the actual level of actual physical in the inventories get exposed - then there is trouble for the price rigging cabal. The physical market then take over - they lose control b/c no longer do they have physical to dump into the physical market. They lose control over silver and this will spread to gold.

What i am talking about isn't in the silver chart. Their system will have broken when it does. The price of metal can and will be manipulated until there is no metal to sell at the rigged prices. Breaking the current price manipulation means removing the physical from the control of the cabal. i posted showing that the SLV and LBMA lied about how much silver they had. They vastly inflated the amount to prevent a panic. This came about b/c of #silversqueeze. The LBMA has admitted the social media frenzy pushed their Ponzi system to the limit and nearly broke it. They had to lie to cover - they had no other way around the physical demands but to pretend they had a lot more. Wall Street Silver now has 78.5k members - it grows everyday. This is getting a lot more coordinated now. It isn't a bunch of spotty faced kids with a pocket full of coins. For example WSS has transformed the Sprott PSLV silver trust - it now has more silver than the COMEX registered category. You clearly don't believe / follow the significance of what is happening behind the scenes - the chart looks about the same so everything must be the same.

@BiigT - if you have an ETH address, the KVT could be sent there. The alternative is to open a KMS account. This will have a KVT address in the KVT account section. Personally i think it would be better to open a KMS account. Jim is doing all the work here so you could use his referral link Jim's referral link Open a KMS account and then come back to me.

i don't know what this form is. KAU is the gold token in the Kinesis system. Send me the link to this form so i can see what you are looking at. i expect you will need to open a KMS account - fund it with fiat (which means you will need to go through a KYC - passport image / utility bill or bill statement image) buy some KAU and then you send Jim the KAU and he sends you a KVT. The project has de-risked a lot since i jump on board - there was nothing but an idea in those days - come to think, i was involved before there was even a name.

Why does it seem everything was better in the past. i wish i could wind the clock back to the 1980 / 90's.

i think you will be talking about Jim Forsythe. i know Jim and he is 100% sound. i was just about to suggest if you were interested you could contact Jim through Wall Street Silver. His Twitter is

KVT's are an investment opportunity. The last batch on the Kinesis Exchange sold out yesterday and they put some more up at a higher price $1400. The KVT will pay a yield - the size of this will depend on how much the Kinesis money system is being used. The transaction fees are shared between those who put into the system. So the value of the KVT will ultimately depend on the yield being paid - plus the yield itself which is paid in KAU and KAG (tokens which are title of ownership over gold and silver).

Why not give Chards or whoever a call. Tell them what you are looking for. Ask if they have grade C in stock there and then - ask if you place an order right there and then, do they have stock to fill an order of 5 sovs? If the answer is we have plenty in stock right now, then you know where you stand. There was a member who placed an order with Chards. The member had to wait - a lot longer than he liked. He posted a thread. There were a lot of opinions. Personally i side with Lawrence Chard here. i don't buy with money i need and i don't sell. So if i have to wait a month, 3 months, 6 months, a year - as long as i have locked in the price and i trust the dealer then there isn't a problem for me. It turns out to be a nice surprise in a few months time. As mentioned here, a member has got what they consider nice coins in the grade C category from Chard. As also mentioned here another member suggests you will have more of a problem selling a lower grade coin. This is true. Personally i would go for better coins but at the same time i have got some really nice coins in what one might call the lucky dip section. Always, always think about the time you would sell the coins before you buy. If you are going to be disappointed with a coin it will most likely be when it comes to sell it. Disappointed you had to sell it or disappointed you can't sell it for what you had hoped to.

Personally i would look to selling your bars and getting UK gold coins at some point. But not at a loss. I presume you got these https://www.royalmint.com/invest/bullion/bullion-bars/gold-bars/500-g-gold-bar-cast/ There are a number of reasons for this: The CGT is a point - currently UK tax payers don't pay CGT on UK coins. So there may be the issue of CGT in the future. A 500g bar is a heavy duty piece of gold to sell. At spot right now that is £20 770. Let's say you put one up for sale on the forum - there aren't many here who would be potential takers. There would be lots of admiring looks but not many here with the firepower to bag such an item or indeed the inclination to buy such a large bar. You are stuck with dealers mainly to sell back to and they are going to give you the bottom book price - they don't want to get stuck with such a bar. This bar might even end up going to melt. If it goes to a dealer then that information will likely be transmitted to HMRC. This isn't to imply you wouldn't have told them if you incurred a CGT liability but who the hell knows if you sold 60 odd gold sovereigns? Gold bars are not trusted as much as coins. The bigger the bar the less they are trusted. It is much easier to fake a gold bar than say a gold sovereign. When a person needs a bit of cash, with a 500g bar they have to sell the whole thing. If they had 60 sovereigns they could sell 1 sovereign or as many sovereigns up to their 60 sovereigns that they need to. i am mentioning this b/c it may be something you would want to think about at some point. i am involved in the Kinesis monetary system. i think Kinesis would take such a bar in their Exchange Physical for Digital Gain liquiditiy when you exchange physical gold to digital | Kinesis Money There would be a cost and i'm not sure how much it would be. You would get the bar(s) switched into KAU tokens in the system. Each KAU = title over 1g of gold. You can send, spend and sell these tokens. The yield system should be starting to pay its first yield on 'minting' soon. There is a holder's yield, so you could hold the gold inside the system and get paid a holder's yield which would be paid in KAU. The vaulting is free. If and when you wanted to spend your gold, a GBP debit card is due to be launched in the next few months. There will be a bank account associated with the Kinesis monetary account. It is something possibly to think about but not just yet. i mention it, so that i have mentioned it and perhaps later this year if you still have your bars it might be something to consider.

You need to have watched all the videos involved in the #silversqueeze and know the characters, this is so funny.

i am living in my mother's basement - have you seen the inflation down here? i think i'll have to move .... into a cardboard box in a lake.

Peter Schiff has exposed himself as an unrepentant seller of unallocated Perth Mint silver which has been exposed by John Adams as not existing. Rickards is a CIA asset. He admits he has worked for the alphabet agencies - one in their grip, always in their grip (or you are on the run). Rick Rule (top man) has admitted in the last video he did for Wall Street Silver that he didn't really know much about the COMEX - not that the topic i introduced here is immediately about the COMEX. The tweets i posted came from Arcadia Economics - Chris Marcus - he works full time on the silver market. Interviews all the good and the great, researches on stop. Bullion Star - Ronan Manly - one of the best researched and respected analytics of COMEX and the precious metal markets. i posted the same piece on the Kinesis Ambassadors' thread that i posted here. i spoke to Jim Forsythe about it - that some didn't accept the content had merit. Jim is the ex-US Senator of New Hampshire / Campaign manager Ron Paul. He recently founded of Citizens for Sound Money. i said the information wasn't deemed credible - his response was "I guess I am not credible. Or Andrew Maguire." The point is the SLV claimed it deposited a massive amount of silver in its vaults in response to huge buys coming from the Wall Street Silver crew. Ronan Manly and Chris Marcus along with Andrew Maguire pointed out the amount was impossible to source or process in the time claimed. In its report the LBMA itself admitted it was very stressed by this. Then a large tonnage of silver just disappeared from the LBMA inventory (which is at least 85% ETF silver). https://www.bullionstar.com/blogs/ronan-manly/lbma-misleads-silver-market-with-false-claims-about-record-silver-stocks/ At the same time, Jim Forsythe has been plotting the decline in SLV inventory which virtually matches the disappearing silver in the LBMA. It all points to the silver never existing. It was a paper certificate conjured up out of thin air. The amount of silver in the bullion bank vaults is a lot less than is publicly admitted. They are in a perilous situation. Wall Street Silver has exposed the Emperor has no clothes and is circling its prey.

i haven't done a video. i am sure a few minutes on Google will find videos - these facts are just starting to surface, so i would give it a few days.

Futile? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 It is a million miles from futile. This is not and never was a matter of a single event. The silver squeeze is relentless - week after week after week after week. There are silver raids on top to add gasoline to the fire. They know we are pursuing them. They know they are fecked. In the end we will be chasing a skeleton. Once they are out of physical it is game over, forever and ever Amen. As i always say when it comes to silver - it is not a matter of if, it is simply a matter of when. The COMEX is being drained. The SLV is being drained. The LBMA is being drained. It is a death by a thousand cuts.

The LBMA counts ETF silver in its inventory. Indeed most of the LBMA's silver is supposedly in ETF's - like 85% of London's silver. How can the LBMA count ETF silver when it is owned by the shareholders? For a long time now i haven't believed the SLV had the silver it claims - indeed i have even suspected it hasn't got any silver. When the #silversqueeze got going and ramped up, the demand for SLV shares rocketed. It was the easy way for newbie silverbugs to stack. https://www.nxtmine.com/lbma-acknowledges-buying-frenzy-in-silver-market-and-silver-shortage-fears/ The LBMA described it as a buying frenzy and that there would be no silver if this carried on for much longer. What i suspect is there is very little silver. It is just a paper Ponzi. A sham. A scam. The SLV is crooked. The LBMA is crooked and couldn't supply silver b/c they had none. So the SLV made up the inventory out of thin air. All 3415 tonnes of it. This ledger entry then also appeared on the LBMA's books. As SLV shares have since been sold off - as Wall Street Silver people got rid of them and replaced with PSLV or actual coins / bars, the SLV has been able to reduce the float of shares and the matching entries in the vaults. The 3415 tonnes of silver that wasn't, now isn't. The SLV couldn't source 3415 tonnes in a matter of days. The LBMA didn't have it. So they play a game of pretend. What it shows is they are crooks and are being as crooked as they are b/c the cupboards are bare. Do not think the cabal is invincible. They are robbing Peter to pay Paul. They are juggling the little physical they have and filling all the gaps with make believe. Don't think #silversqueeze is a handful of characters and a pocket full of coins. There are now 77.6k members - it grows everyday. Personally i would like the game to go on a little bit longer but we can see a good big push and this scam will topple over.

The SLV claimed it added an impossible amount of silver at the beginning of the silver squeeze. This is when silverbacks were still in with Wall Street Bets and weren't as aware of the corruption. Then it was realised how much silver the SLV claimed to add - just impossible, so it didn't happen. Now we see the LBMA made an 'accounting' error - miscounting - adding 3863 tonnes of silver to its claimed inventory it never had. Funny the amount the SLV claimed to add to its inventory (which the LBMA counts in with its stash) was 3415 tonnes. i just wonder if the SLV just made it up. It added nothing to its inventory. It was just smoke and mirrors. The squeeze is squeezing.

@Paul

The squeeze is squeezing. (The is a political statement for the Squeeze Party.)

There is another option - i see you have yourself down as West Midlands. When i was in that neck of the woods i did 3 trades, maybe more, where the goods were handed over and cash was transferred to the seller's bank at the time. You could ask for a face-to-face sale but only do it with a regular on the forum. Never a newbie. There are a fair few people here who are in and around Birmingham. Remember everyone selling on the forum will be in the same position as you. The risk is generally on the buyer's side.

If you use bank transfer, how will it go belly up? Your issue selling here is you do not have a trading record for potential buyers to refer to. The risk is squarely with the buyer, you have the cash before the goods leave your hands.

Correct the risk is with the buyer - unless the buyer is a total crook who claims the goods never arrived (use registered post - video packaging the items) or they were fakes (there are stories from @SilverStan). This sort of skulduggery isn't something i have actually come across on TSF which is one of the reasons i have bought much of my treasure on TSF.

A few weeks ago i sold some 1 oz silver coins and 1 oz gold. These were a friend's coins. They aren't a member of the forum. They had asked me what a decent price was and what they had been offered by a dealer. i said they could do better on TSF, so i sold them on their behalf. i hadn't sold before but i had bought many times. i had a good trading reputation on that basis. I'm not going to diddle anyone - i value the forum membership too highly. The rules of engagement should be You put up decent photos and describe the goods honestly and exactly - if they have some milk spot, then you say so and show it. No-one can then come back to say you mis-sold items. You receive the payment before you send the silver. Do bank transfer. You package the coins well - proper secure. To be ultra safe you should video the packaging and presentation at the post office. You send the silver registered post only. You sell to members who have a decent trading record. Now your issue is you have no trading record. BYB has offered to act as an intermediary. If there are going to be multiple sales then you might use him for the first sale or two and then once you have a record then you might be able to go solo. The other way is to send and receive the cash after your buyer has received the goods. If you sell to let's say longstanding members - someone like me, i would say you are safe to do that.