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@Silverlocks It really would be worth you setting up your own grading thread rather than taking other dedicated discussions off course with your views on grading.

520.713 is the total mintage of that year (1874) for the london sovereign coniage. But that includes both the St George and the shield reverses. How that number is split between the 2 is officially unknown

that s an interesting contribution but i feel this discussion is going a bit off topic; my intention was to focus on the scarcity (r3? /r4?) of a specific sovereign (1874 London shield) and to get all thoughts that could be shared on that
 

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There's a few on here who might get accused of that in Iran😁

Shocked maybe, but not as surprised as Vahid Mazloumin and his colleague. We often lose sight of the fact that our western society is relatively benign and genteel.

shotgun every time...  maintenance is doable and ammo is cheap and stackable..   but mainly because most people can't shoot for terrible so you want a big spread. 

Well if it's good enough for St George..............

There are a really surprising number of bunkers in the U.K. 
Lots of Cold War bunkers ranging ROC Bunkers (many sadly  vandalised) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Royal_Observer_Corps_/_United_Kingdom_Warning_and_Monitoring_Organisation_Posts_(A–E)
To regional control centres - many of which have been sold off to
I have been to a few.  The one I have never been able to confirm is one that is supposed to be a super deep level control centre beneath Moorgate tube, quite possible that it’s still in use or mothballed until needed.   These are generally known as “Citadels”.  Fascinating!
 

There is a lot of sovereigns being scraped today for being under weight especially Jubilee heads……if they look worn they are almost under weight all the time on the carat scales. 

Trust me loads of jubilee heads sold on here are very likely to be under weight.   I suspect some selling scrap sovereigns as full weight sovs……..I know my sovereigns. 

@trp Many thanks for running another year’s Christmas raffle!
Awesome as always!
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@trp Many thanks for running another year’s Christmas raffle!
Awesome as always!
Best
Dicker

Marsh scarcity rating is subjective, but measures coins in grade VF or higher and NOT all coins that exist.
The first edition of Marsh was published in 1980.  A time that there was no way of consolidating data sources easily to be super accurate about populations.  Four subsequent versions of Marsh have revised some of the population metrics, but not extensively or radically so.
I suspect that using meta analysis of auction results and dealer inventories (if this were ever possible) would allow for much more accurate population reports. This is is standard practice in academia where data from multiple experiments are pooled to get a better view using larger data sets.
Die numbers listed in Marsh are an example of where Marsh is lacking.  You don’t have to look at all far in auctions / sales to find die numbers that are not listed in Marsh.  
Marsh is a great reference, but the reader needs to understand:
- The point about VF
- Scarcity rating is a guide only
- Marsh certainly doesn’t contain all rarities / varieties
- There will be sovereign collections that exist / bags of Sovs in vaults that could fundamentally change the scarcity ratings once “found”

 
 

@trp Many thanks for running another year’s Christmas raffle!
Awesome as always!
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@trp Many thanks for running another year’s Christmas raffle!
Awesome as always!
Best
Dicker

@trp Many thanks for running another year’s Christmas raffle!
Awesome as always!
Best
Dicker

First time for me as well, and I’m a bank note collector!

Found these on the Bank of England website. Won’t be issued until mid 2024 though. When they do, please keep any AA 01………..Serial numbers. Treat them like proof coins - no folds etc, and I will pay good money! 😃
 

Marsh scarcity rating is subjective, but measures coins in grade VF or higher and NOT all coins that exist.
The first edition of Marsh was published in 1980.  A time that there was no way of consolidating data sources easily to be super accurate about populations.  Four subsequent versions of Marsh have revised some of the population metrics, but not extensively or radically so.
I suspect that using meta analysis of auction results and dealer inventories (if this were ever possible) would allow for much more accurate population reports. This is is standard practice in academia where data from multiple experiments are pooled to get a better view using larger data sets.
Die numbers listed in Marsh are an example of where Marsh is lacking.  You don’t have to look at all far in auctions / sales to find die numbers that are not listed in Marsh.  
Marsh is a great reference, but the reader needs to understand:
- The point about VF
- Scarcity rating is a guide only
- Marsh certainly doesn’t contain all rarities / varieties
- There will be sovereign collections that exist / bags of Sovs in vaults that could fundamentally change the scarcity ratings once “found”

 
 

Thought it might be interesting to see where members see Gold price in 1 year.
My prediction is GBP1525

Marsh scarcity rating is subjective, but measures coins in grade VF or higher and NOT all coins that exist.
The first edition of Marsh was published in 1980.  A time that there was no way of consolidating data sources easily to be super accurate about populations.  Four subsequent versions of Marsh have revised some of the population metrics, but not extensively or radically so.
I suspect that using meta analysis of auction results and dealer inventories (if this were ever possible) would allow for much more accurate population reports. This is is standard practice in academia where data from multiple experiments are pooled to get a better view using larger data sets.
Die numbers listed in Marsh are an example of where Marsh is lacking.  You don’t have to look at all far in auctions / sales to find die numbers that are not listed in Marsh.  
Marsh is a great reference, but the reader needs to understand:
- The point about VF
- Scarcity rating is a guide only
- Marsh certainly doesn’t contain all rarities / varieties
- There will be sovereign collections that exist / bags of Sovs in vaults that could fundamentally change the scarcity ratings once “found”

 
 

Try looking at ‘Marsh Scarcity Rating - How Accurate?’ Topic  by Dicker Feb 20th this year! 

thing is, 
NGC reports 22 slabbed 1874 london shield sov
PCGS reports none. Or at least i couldt find any record. Assuming (if) a similar population of 20ish slabbed coins that would make a total of around 40 slabbed coins (and i am exaggerating)
i find quite unlikely that a single dealer is holding 7 of them all together at the same time

Which is why safety deposit boxes are so important!
The more people that know you collect PM’s the more risky it is to keep anything at home.  Particularly safe fitters and insurers…..

Chichester antiques fair had about half a dozen coin dealers last time it was on. Sellers had a mixture of Sovereigns, Gold Coins, proof coins, pre 20, world coins and silver bullion bars and coins.
Mostly antiques and jewellery though as around 60 other traders.