The Big 5 bullion, 25 years?

[ozzie456]

Oh, yes, I see now. The press release says "a new animal every five years". CoinInvest says "Each year, a coin featuring one of the five animals will be released starting with the Elephant". Atkinsons says "This coin is the first in this series with a new one every five years" which to me is completely ambiguous as to whether it's a new animal or a new series every 5 years.

I now wish I hadn't sounded so certain about that particular aspect in my summary in the earlier post 🙂

[Tn21]

Don't worry, 

We will all figure it out with time 

[Bogart]

I have emailed the mint so might get a definitive answer. Damn I am tempted to buy one. That is unless ozzie456 wants to offload his cheap due to not being shiny enough😁

[ozzie456]

I now view the lack of shininess as a rare minting error. I'm charging double for this unique version 🙂

[Bogart]

And there I am trying to help him!

[Happypanda88]

8 hours ago, ozzie456 said:

Oh, yes, I see now. The press release says "a new animal every five years". CoinInvest says "Each year, a coin featuring one of the five animals will be released starting with the Elephant". Atkinsons says "This coin is the first in this series with a new one every five years" which to me is completely ambiguous as to whether it's a new animal or a new series every 5 years.

I now wish I hadn't sounded so certain about that particular aspect in my summary in the earlier post 🙂

It sounds to me that the South African Mint are looking to emulate something like the Lunar coins series, albeit with a 5 coin series instead of twelve of Lunars.

The Big 5 bullion series, a new animal every five years beginning with the elephant, followed by the lion, the rhino, the leopard and lastly, the buffalo. Then repeat the cycle.

[Roy]

Yes, that's what I finally decided on.

Like a Series 1, Series 2 and so forth.

The Big 5 Series, like the Lunar (12) Series.

All a bit meh to me.

[Bogart]

Finally got an answer from the SA mint regarding the big 5 bullion coins.

Right we have the Elephant, which I have in fact just received today, dated 2022. Same design will appear in years 2023, 2024, 2025 and 2026

The the Lion will take over for another 5years. Rhino, Leopard and Buffalo will then follow with 5 year stints.

So the first Buffalo will not appear until 2042!  By then I will probably pushing up the daisies so will just have the Elepahant.

So if one was keen you could go 5 coins or if very keen 25 coins

 

[Tn21]

Thanks for the clarification @Bogart

[James32]

11 minutes ago, Bogart said:

Finally got an answer from the SA mint regarding the big 5 bullion coins.

Right we have the Elephant, which I have in fact just received today, dated 2022. Same design will appear in years 2023, 2024, 2025 and 2026

The the Lion will take over for another 5years. Rhino, Leopard and Buffalo will then follow with 5 year stints.

So the first Buffalo will not appear until 2042!  By then I will probably pushing up the daisies so will just have the Elepahant.

So if one was keen you could go 5 coins or if very keen 25 coins

 

Are you sure because there seems to be full sets out?!

[Bogart]

Is confusing as there are sets from series 2 whereas these 1oz bullion are called series 1

As I mentioned before the SA mint are vying with our RM to confuse people. Releasing this series that series some in proof only or small value ones.

I believe I am right here in what I said applying to the 1oz gold bullion.

Edited January 24, 2023 by Bogart

[James32]

1 minute ago, Bogart said:

I thought the full sets were proofs

You could be right tbh. I haven't a clue what's going on.

These must be the previous generation 

https://www.emk.com/en-us/big-five-i-prestige-set-ibsud21149

[Bogart]

Yes they are the proof ones. Bullions apparently taking a different route.

[Bogart]

Another confusion is the Ivory Coast released a big 5 series also which I think are 5 x 1g

Anyway I know I like my Elephant

[ShineyMagpie]

It's a mystery, but an exciting one... if not slightly frustrating....  wait a minute is it a sales tactic 😅

[ozzie456]

4 hours ago, Bogart said:

Finally got an answer from the SA mint regarding the big 5 bullion coins.

Right we have the Elephant, which I have in fact just received today, dated 2022. Same design will appear in years 2023, 2024, 2025 and 2026

The the Lion will take over for another 5years. Rhino, Leopard and Buffalo will then follow with 5 year stints.

So the first Buffalo will not appear until 2042!  By then I will probably pushing up the daisies so will just have the Elepahant.

So if one was keen you could go 5 coins or if very keen 25 coins

 

Thanks for taking the time to ask them.

Using the same design for five years seems bizarre, especially when they already have other designs of the same animals! It's not likely that I'll buy exactly the same design again next year, so that will be their loss. You'd have thought that if they wanted to do 5 consecutive years of elephants, they would have at least done the elephant Series 2 in 2023, and Series 3 (assuming it will exist) in 2024, and so on, before going back to Series 1 for the lion in 2027.

Do we think they're already planning ahead for a 25 year run of Series 2 in bullion, starting in 2047 and ending in 2072?! 🙂

[Happypanda88]

There are plenty of info on the SA Mint website. So best to obtain accurate info on there.

The series II Lion has already been released.  Though a strong local demand may have caused supply issues abroad.

A radio interview (14 mins long) with the SA Mint Managing Director is here.  She talks about the bullion Series II collection. So no need to second guess !

 

 

 

 

 

The Rhino is next. Just as I though, a five coin series - Elephant, Lion,  Rhino, Leopard and lastly, the buffalo. Then repeat the cycle.

[Bogart]

Lion next

[Tn21]

This just gets better and better. 

 

[Happypanda88]

7 minutes ago, Bogart said:

Lion next

Correct! ...... not 4 more Elephant coins !

[CheetahX]

3 hours ago, Happypanda88 said:

There are plenty of info on the SA Mint website. So best to obtain accurate info on there.

The series II Lion has already been released.  Though a strong local demand may have caused supply issues abroad.

A radio interview (14 mins long) with the SA Mint Managing Director is here.  She talks about the bullion Series II collection. So no need to second guess !

 

 

 

 

 

The Rhino is next. Just as I though, a five coin series - Elephant, Lion,  Rhino, Leopard and lastly, the buffalo. Then repeat the cycle.

Isn't it a proof coin not a bullion? It is listed on LPM website as Big 5 Series II Proof.

[ozzie456]

Yes, the proof series has been released every 6 months since 2019, with a different animal each time:

• Series 1, five different animals, between 2019 and early 2021
• Series 2, three animals so far, two more to come, started in late 2021

The radio interview is from early 2022, when the second coin in the series 2 proof was being released, and before the bullion series had started. So far there is only one bullion coin, the elephant series 1, released in late 2022. It's specifically the bullion series release schedule that we've been trying to understand.

[Happypanda88]

1 hour ago, ozzie456 said:

Yes, the proof series has been released every 6 months since 2019, with a different animal each time:

• Series 1, five different animals, between 2019 and early 2021
• Series 2, three animals so far, two more to come, started in late 2021

The radio interview is from early 2022, when the second coin in the series 2 proof was being released, and before the bullion series had started. So far there is only one bullion coin, the elephant series 1, released in late 2022. It's specifically the bullion series release schedule that we've been trying to understand.

You're right. The series II coins are proofs again. I originally thought Series I were proofs and Series II are bullion. I stand corrected.

The quest for a definitive answer on the Bullion Series Big 5 continues.

(Still, my guess is that the Bullion series will follow the same cycle as the proof coins).

[stich]

Elephant 2023 is the same design as elephant 2022. Metal Market has got the new coin.

[Tn21]

Word on the street, first 5 years will be the elephant. Following that the next 5 years will be a new animal etc. The 2023 elephant as stated above will be shortly available 

Taking 25 years to complete. 

 

Source- German dealer 

Edited March 21, 2023 by Tn21