Anyone Want to Play at Being a Coin Expert? - Try This - Question about a 5 pound 1887 gold coin - forgerie or a variation?

[LawrenceChard]

Anyone Want to Play at Being a Coin Expert? - Try This

This morning, I saw a Teams message, and e-mail, from one of the @ChardsCoinandBullionDealer Customer Service Team:

Fw "Question about a 5 pound 1887 gold coin - forgerie or a variation?"

Who fancies offering an answer before they read any further?

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[Darr3nG]

11 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

forgerie or a variation?

Oui, logiquement

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forgerie

[James32]

13 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

Anyone Want to Play at Being a Coin Expert? - Try This

This morning, I saw a Teams message, and e-mail, from one of the @ChardsCoinandBullionDealer Customer Service Team:

Fw "Question about a 5 pound 1887 gold coin - forgerie or a variation?"

Who fancies offering an answer before they read any further?

😎

Variation of a forgery?

[LawrenceChard]

2 minutes ago, Darr3nG said:

Oui, logiquement

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forgerie

Vous pensez que l'écrivain est Français?

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[evende]

Why don't you come on over Forgerie

[Stuntman]

I'd vote 'forgerie' without any further information.  The 1887 double and quintuple sovereigns are the sort of coins that people really only should buy from a reputable numismatic dealer and with a guarantee from that same dealer that the coin is genuine.

I do hope that the coin is genuine.  The genuine item is a lovely coin..

[Stuntman]

5 hours ago, LawrenceChard said:

Vous pensez que l'écrivain est Français?

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peut-etre (apologies for lack of circonflexe).

[LawrenceChard]

3 minutes ago, Stuntman said:

peut-etre (apologies for lack of circonflexe).

Relax, I've found one peut être.

BTW: It is circumflex.

When I want an accent, I just Google the word without, and almost always get a foreign language page with correct word with accent. It is usually quicker and better than searching for Unicode etc.

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[LawrenceChard]

8 minutes ago, Stuntman said:

I'd vote 'forgerie' without any further information.  The 1887 double and quintuple sovereigns are the sort of coins that people really only should buy from a reputable numismatic dealer and with a guarantee from that same dealer that the coin is genuine.

I do hope that the coin is genuine.  The genuine item is a lovely coin..

Just from his title "Question about a 5 pound 1887 gold coin - forgerie or a variation?"

and without looking at anything else, I replied:

"Fake".

Jane said exactly the same!

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[Darr3nG]

4 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

without looking at anything else, I replied:

"Fake".

But that wasn't one of the choices... although "Fake" could be considered a variation of forgerie 😜 

[Stuntman]

7 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

Relax, I've found one peut être.

BTW: It is circumflex.

When I want an accent, I just Google the word without, and almost always get a foreign language page with correct word with accent. It is usually quicker and better than searching for Unicode etc.

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En Francais, c'est l'accent circonflexe... 😉

[SidS]

I think it's real. 

[Stuntman]

I admire your optimism.

[LawrenceChard]

30 minutes ago, SidS said:

I think it's real. 

 

23 minutes ago, Stuntman said:

I admire your optimism.

I often find myself telling people a coin is real. You can feel it touch it, hear it. It must be real, as opposed to imaginary. But it's fake.

I am of course being slightly pedantic while having a little fun.

Here's some more information:

"I would like to ask for аn expert opinion regarding a 5 pound 1887 gold coin .

It has a curious differences in the shape of letters in the inscription on the obverse. 

The base of all letters in right of Queen's portrait have's a specific curve which is not present in other images of the coins tath l have the opportunity to examine . In left part of the inscription the huck is longer at top of the letter D , C is with short space between two ends of the letter,the middle part of the order is wider and bigger in size than other coins from the same yare. 

There are also three large differences on reverse side of the coin . The mane of the horse is longer and the lines continues to the back. The tail is longer than usual and the space between the in the yare 1887 is shorter. 

Are all these differences are indicating tath this coin could be one of many forgeries of 5 pound coins made in the same time or later? I read Chards and other articles on the subject .

I read tath there are reported a large number of forgeries of this coin, and that although some are of poor quality and can be easily detected by the experienced numismatist there are also very competent fakes tath are difficult to detect.

The coin is bought from a reputable coin dealer which had provide me a document for authenticity. 

The test of the quantity of it's gold is showing exactly 22 carats , the weight of the coin is 39.55 g and the diameter is the same as an original coin. If it's a presumably a fake coin why did the forgers made it so different from other and how would it then pass as an original ?

How could those variations in obverse and reverse side of the coin be explained ?

Do Chards has a image of a similar coin in it's database ?

The last two photos are for comparing. 

I would be very obligated to you if you can help me. 

 

Kind Regards, "

 

(Russian name in Cyrillic lettering)

 

Any more opinions?

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[LawrenceChard]

53 minutes ago, Stuntman said:

En Francais, c'est l'accent circonflexe... 😉

Why can't the French just speak English, llike normal people?

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[Silverlocks]

4 minutes ago, LawrenceChard said:

Why can't the French just speak English, llike normal people?

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@LawrenceChard - I think someone from America has compromised your account.

[Stuntman]

I think the enquirer has answered his/her own question and has his/her own remedy if he/she wishes to return it to the seller.  After all, he/she has been given 'a document for authenticity'...

Edited September 1, 2022 by Stuntman
pronoun pedantry!

[SidS]

8 minutes ago, Stuntman said:

I think the enquirer has answered his/her own question and has his/her own remedy if he/she wishes to return it to the seller.  After all, he/she has been given 'a document for authenticity'...

Well if there's a document of authenticity provided, it must be real. Those are never faked. 😉

I know all too well it's probably fake, but I like playing devil's advocate, cos you never know.

I suspect it's as real as my 1984 Brass threepence of George V. 😁

[Silverlocks]

1 minute ago, SidS said:

I suspect it's as real as my 1984 Brass threepence of George V. 😁

Proof or Brilliant Uncirculated?

[SidS]

17 minutes ago, Silverlocks said:

Proof or Brilliant Uncirculated?

EF