SilverTanner

2 hours ago, Jester said:

Managed to pick up two beautiful "As Struck" Edward VII Sixpences.  Can't wait to see what NGC says about these!

1909

1910

Very nice, they look great. I guess you went to the right place!

My 1909 is currently at NGC thanks to Numistacker.

11 minutes ago, MrGeorge said:

Gold just went up £14 in 20 mins ?

North Korea saying the US has declared war and threatening to shoot down the US planes?

4 hours ago, sg86 said:

1989 Five Sovereign BU & 1897 Victoria Diamond Jubilee Medal (the 93g version!)

 

Not my images, i'll take some when they are in hand

Very nice medal - these are always impressive in real life. You will now need all the different sizes it comes in and the different metals!

1 hour ago, Jester said:

My first foray into sixpences...

Very nice indeed! Great start

2 hours ago, Numistacker said:

 

I watched a few nice sixpence go past yesterday. I thought you may be bidding. There was an interesting 6p essay coin.


I watched a few nice sixpence go past yesterday. I thought you may be bidding. There was an interesting 6p essay coin.

 

Too many good coins available at the moment, having to save funds for some things next week! 

Every September (and January etc) it would be easy to spend £500K, pity I only have £500?

8 hours ago, Numistacker said:

Picked up this little beauty at heritage tonight...

 

 

 

 

 

Congratulations, as you said you were after one of those!

1 hour ago, Numistacker said:

Spent a lot on just a penny

This one will get NCS or crossover treatment as it annoys me that the design is on the wrong side Bought from www.greatcollections.com overnight

Will join my 20p and 5p from 2002

I saw these and thought you may be interested, I don't often bid on GreatCollections as the starting prices seem to be a little high for things I would be interested in - resulting in zero bids whereas a realistic starting price usually attracts lots of bids!

It also annoys me that the obverse seems to be the side of the coin that is put on the side with the label, for alot of older coins the date and the actual design differentiating the coin is the reverse!

24 minutes ago, Sovereign said:

Just noticed 

NGC cert long number is the same on both ? 

 

Just means they were submitted on the same invoice - different line, and hence coin, numbers i.e. the 002 and 003.

Thanks to Numi there will be lots of coins, such as 2017 sovereigns, with the same invoice number?

7 hours ago, shawy2510 said:

Ouch

As I tend to go for the older stuff I looked at the prices for their 'old coins' £1279 for a 1/3guniea which is usually about £250 absolute tops in that condition!

I am obviously in the wrong job, but I would happily sell them my higher grade examples for half their selling price

44 minutes ago, Coinan said:

One of the finest Swedish 20kr I received so far. Very shiny.

Great coin, can I ask where from?

I have always looked at slabbed versions of these as 'bullion' was often low grade and not worth the extra premium.

1 hour ago, Numistacker said:

Bought something a little different today.



It's a rare France 5F coin graded the K mintmark is for Bordeaux. Only 1 has been graded at NGC and one at PCGS

A = Paris An 4 to 1898
AA = Metz An 5 to An 8
B = Rouen An 5 to 1846 and 1853 to 1857
BB = Strasbourg An 5 to 1870 - BB until 1831 and two B (one on other) since 1831
CL = Genoa 1813 to 1814
D = Lyon An 5 to 1840 and 1848 to 1858
G = Geneva An VIII to 1805
H = La Rochelle An 12 to 1835
I = Limoges An 4 to 1835
K = Bordeaux An 4 to 1857, 1861 to 1867, 1870 to 1878
L = Bayonne An 4 to 1835
M = Toulouse An 12 to 1836
MA (mixed letters) = Marseille An 9 to 1839 and 1853 to 1857
Q = Perpignan An 5 to 1835
R = Orleans An 5
T = Nantes An 4 to 1820 and 1826 to 1835
W = Lille An 4 to 1846 and 1853 to 1857
Mast and flag = Utrecht 1812 to 1813
U = Torino An 12 to 1813
R with crown on it = Rome 1812 to 1813
R = London 1815

So that's a new collection with a coin from each mint then?

6 hours ago, sovereignsteve said:

A couple of coins from the DNW auction last week.

1817 G3 Halfcrown

and a 1872 QV Gothic Florin

Very nice! I also got the group lot of tokens that I wanted at the DNW sale week.

Actually I only wanted one of them - a token issued by one of my ancestors in the early 1800's!

One US auction house labels things as 'metal samples for research' which is true, they just tend to be round and made of silver or gold

39 minutes ago, Jester said:

Thanks so much @SilverTanner.  So besides the damage to the portrait, you see it being a decent example?  I was guessing that the wear at the 8 o'clock on the obverse as well as the wear at the 10 o'clock on the reverse would further lower the grade in addition to the "adjustment mark" on the portrait.  That said, I don't see this being a NGC Details grade as it's not cleaned, repaired, hairline scratches, etc. it's simply damage to the coin just as any other damage a coin suffers that lowers its grade south of MS.  That's my theory anyway.  We'll see as this'll be going to Uncle Numi for grading and NCS Conservation 

The other marks on the rims are more typical adjustment marks and are very very common on Napoleonic coins. NGC seem to ignore these for grading purposes unless they are excessive but they seem to generally not like damage to the portrait, whereas tolerate it to the rims - if it gets a clean AU grade that will be a brilliant result.

In this case it looks like the mint worker slipped with the file and took a small gouge out of the portrait and hoped no one would notice as it still ended up in circulation?

It shouldn't need conservation. 

As everyone seems to have been bidding today (I have been stuck in meetings ?) anyone have plans for tomorrow? there is one item buried in a mixed lot that I have been after for more than 20 years, it is very low grade and not worth anything, other than personal reasons, so I will have to have it!

2 hours ago, Jester said:

Success!  Finally a winning bid on the DNW auction today.  While this 1807-A Negro Head Napoleon Quarter Franc is only in G/VG condition (though DNW had this as "Adjustment mark on face, otherwise about extremely fine"), I really wanted to pick up a specimen of this rare coin.  I'll look to upgrade from here but I'm happy to add it to the collection.

Congratulations!

I looked at this myself as it is in a good grade (AEF - the VG and KM are the reference book numbers).

I just wasn't sure how NGC would view the mark on the face???  which is probably why the estimate was so low at £120-150 as without the mark and in that grade it could have easily been more than £700!

Upgrading will be difficult?

Just now, mr-dead said:

Got some tinder lined up for a 10 oz gold purchase.

Grab pre or post election result for best bang for buck?

I have a similar issue, but on a much smaller scale?

I have to pay for a coin just won at a US auction and another at a French auction this week so which way are USD and euros going to go???

On 2017-5-13 at 18:50, LewisRichards said:

So are you the one in the recent video with the sixpences? They look stunning. very nice collection if it is! 

Guilty, my coins although I guess my name probably gives it away!

I have been sending a few to Numi each grading, now slowly running out of ones that I think will benefit from slabbing, I probably don't need 15 MS slabbed 1866's although it might make it easier to sell the extra ones if I decide to abandon the high grade die number goal?

36 minutes ago, Numistacker said:

 

I slept right through it but nobody outbid me ))

I slept right through it but nobody outbid me ))

 

I used to try that, but I have not been so lucky and often missed out by just one increment - so if it is something I really would like I now get up?

Unfortunately you now have me looking at pre-33 US gold rather than just the world coins which adds Tuesday and Sunday?

37 minutes ago, Numistacker said:

Picked up this during my sleep on ha.com. There are about 15 graded higher at NGC.



I guess I should get Indian and Canadian too

Very nice grade, I am glad it is not just me that sets the alarm for 3am?

I am also currently overpaying the mortgage, but less than I was, despite the low rate, to try and clear it in 10 years. Extra funds are mainly going into P2P as, at the moment, the return easily beats paying off the mortgage. As we are 'up north' the mortgage is only small anyway, or even tiny, and probably equivalent to a year or so of payments down south! The base rate would need to go up by more than 3% to switch back to paying the mortgage.

Moving to a bigger house will need a lottery win as at my age I would rather have some savings and coins? (which could always be sold on retirement to provide a lump sum to invest for income if it came to that)

38 minutes ago, sg86 said:

I will maybe attempt all numbers for a certain year

I'm looking at collating the information for a database, had the idea a few weeks ago but the amount of work is a little daunting, we'll see

Go for it, I think the smallest number of die numbers is the sixpence, there are many more for the sovereigns!

A database would be very valuable, I did this for the sixpences trying to record all mentions of each die number (auctions, dealers, Ebay) and get scans of everything so I didn't have to actually buy it! This should be alot easier with photos of coins up for sale/auction now being the norm? In addition to the Bentley Collection, Tony Claytons web page on die numbers would be a good start (not complete though)

30 minutes ago, sovereignsteve said:

I stand corrected. You are a hero sir!

I know some people take an interest in die numbers on sovereigns but I'm not aware of anyone making a serious attempt to collect them all.

I think the Bentley collection has been the best attempt to do this for the sovereigns and even with his very very deep pockets he didn't get there. He really did try - having a list kept with every dealer/auction house with the numbers he had missing! Others do this for the other denominations - even me?

I wish auctions/dealers would consistently put the actual die number on the listing and the TPGs on the label rather than just 'die number' as the pics don't always allow you to see it - it is very annoying having to keep asking what it is only to get told you are the 10th person to ask today (pet hate?)

1 hour ago, sovereignsteve said:

Interesting one this, it has perplexed me at times. (yes I'm sad)
According to MM "rare" as you say but mintage of 750k includes the G&D design from that year as well. The latter being given the designation "Scarce".
I've never noticed this as being in short supply at all and the market doesn't put a premium on them.

Which edition of MM are you referencing? It doesn't say that in mine but the years 1871 and 1872 saw a few changes and version of half sovs. I don't think MM has all the answers for these years and you need to collate his information with the Spink varieties to try to get to grips with the identification. There are a few different busts used for the obverses and it's not that easy to differentiate them unless you put them side by side. Yours fits nicely into Spink 3860C and MM has that die number listed for 1872 but his classification doesn't run to the individual sub-types. It's still a valuable coin whichever way you look at it.

MM is getting quite old now, the first edition was 1982, new die numbers were being recorded all the time and no doubt have continued to be so since the last edition in 2004.
TBH I'm not really convinced we need a full record of these numbers, I don't see the benefit. I don't think the mint has such a record, we don't really know why they were used and nobody is going to try and collect every die number for every year anyway.

Die numbers?

There are quite a lot of die number collectors out there - me included! Although it will be no surprise I started collecting the sixpences rather than the other denominations and as far as I know no one has managed to get them all for each denomination although I know someone who is very close to the full set for florins, shillings and sixpences. There are ~800 basic ones for the sixpences and I started to get regularly outbid for rare numbers and/or high grade examples which meant after 20 years I have almost given up - last time I checked we do have all the sixpence die numbers between my collection and a couple of others. It does mean lots of lower grade coins though?and a slabbed full set would be of immense numismatic importance - if it wasn't for the cost I could send at least another ~600 to Numi for grading??

The recent Bentley collection of sovereigns significantly updated the list of known die numbers for these.

I could go through all the possible reasons proposed for die numbers on coins from 1864-1879 but that's a longer story?

There has been a lot of half-sovereigns, sovereigns and double sovereigns up at auctions recently. There is a 5sov at the next VLNummus auction on 10th June lot 470 - it is only PCGS PF63 DC though?

(also the others if you want a matching set!)

5 minutes ago, Numistacker said:

 

Have to start somewhere can always trade up over time. There are some 67's around too

 

Great buy, your coins are starting to make up a serious quality numismatic collection!

As a result they should gain much value over time - the problem will be it will be much more difficult to sell?, just don't look at the full gold and silver proof sets for 1831 and 1839?