World War 2

[Iamdeadboy]

Hi there, i'm new to precious metals and even newer to "collector" coins as well.

 

Just curious have any of the government mints released anything regarding the second world war? I know the RCM has a couple but I am looking for more... 

[Martlet]

Not a government mint, the London Mint churn out all sorts of war related coins.  I would expect to see a wave of related coins in the next year or so as the 80th anniversaries roll around.

[MancunianStacker]

No but I’m sure the royal mint will in exactly 11 years time.

At the moment they have a lot of WW1 coins available. 

I think you’d just have to wait but in 2039, there will be lots to collect so start saving 

[augur]

24 minutes ago, MancunianStacker said:

No but I’m sure the royal mint will in exactly 11 years time.

Thanks, I missed that

(WW I ended on 11/11 at 11:11; didn't realise that WW II started 11 years later...)

[MancunianStacker]

8 minutes ago, augur said:

Thanks, I missed that

(WW I ended on 11/11 at 11:11; didn't realise that WW II started 11 years later...)

I just meant that they seem to launch on the centenary and then again 100 years after the end of the war so I’m expecting the same again.

[Roy]

isn't that 21 years away?

[augur]

1 minute ago, Roy said:

isn't that 21 years away?

It is indeed 

[Murph]

5 hours ago, Martlet said:

Not a government mint, the London Mint churn out all sorts of war related coins.  I would expect to see a wave of related coins in the next year or so as the 80th anniversaries roll around.

What about the battle of Britain 50p, VE day £2, Dove of peace 50th Anniversary of the end of WW2 £2 and many others I'm sure that I just can't recall?

[ZatStackz]

I've seen this one at a number of dealers.  I think there was a half ounce version as well.

https://monumentmetals.com/2015-australia-1-10-oz-gold-war-in-the-pacific-coin.html

[Steviesteve]

If you go to goldsilver.be they have some aviation coins -

[Steviesteve]

£32.09...

 

[KevinG]

The RCM has a new one of the invasion of Sicily.  Besides that there are coins from Poland and Russia you can find them on Ma Shops

[MancunianStacker]

On 07/09/2018 at 10:18, Roy said:

isn't that 21 years away?

Doh!! Sorry yes 21 years away. It’s amazing how much has changed in just 80 years!!! Sad how so many kids don’t know anything about history. At school I was never taught about the wars just about the industrial revolution and such during my GCSEs. They need to ensure the kids don’t forget, because forgetting will lead us into more unnecessary wars and being conned into them by the powers that be.

On another note, I heard this week that Churchill ordered the aerial bombing of a boat in Norway (I believe) carrying heavy water used in creation of an atomic bomb. The Nazis were months away from destroying the whole of London.

Churchill didn’t know what cargo it held, it was a random choice but with some intel. Bomb this boat or that boat kind of choice. Had he chosen a different boat, WWII could have had a totally different result. Most countries would have immediately surrendered upon such a weapon without a deter not being used on an City such as London as an example.

Anyway, such coins ensure we never forget. Thanks to those heroes who gave their lives and to those who returned with mental and physical injuries, reminded every day of the horrible things they witnessed.

[Martlet]

1 hour ago, MancunianStacker said:

On another note, I heard this week that Churchill ordered the aerial bombing of a boat in Norway (I believe) carrying heavy water used in creation of an atomic bomb. The Nazis were months away from destroying the whole of London.

Churchill didn’t know what cargo it held, it was a random choice but with some intel. Bomb this boat or that boat kind of choice. Had he chosen a different boat, WWII could have had a totally different result. Most countries would have immediately surrendered upon such a weapon without a deter not being used on an City such as London as an example.

The funny thing about history is how it gets rewritten.  Not sure what you read, assume its about the heavy water production in Vemork that was in the news this week, it was a very deliberate commando raid to knock out the shipment .  There was a film about it, Heros of Telemark i'll wager you've seen on TV on wet winter Sunday afternoon.

[augur]

1 hour ago, Martlet said:

The funny thing about history is how it gets rewritten.

After all Churchill himself said "History will be kind to me for I intend to write it."

[MancunianStacker]

1 hour ago, Martlet said:

The funny thing about history is how it gets rewritten.  Not sure what you read, assume its about the heavy water production in Vemork that was in the news this week, it was a very deliberate commando raid to knock out the shipment .  There was a film about it, Heros of Telemark i'll wager you've seen on TV on wet winter Sunday afternoon.

Well great job done by those involved.

I agree with history being re-written. It already is by Govts deciding what is and what isn’t on the National Curriculum.

Nowadays people ask a question and someone says “Google it”. The problem with this is anyone can create content and then Google decides what it shows you. Could be dangerous if they get to monopolise the search engine market. 

Even Wikipedia is changed to absolute rubbish on various topics. 

It could get changed for the worse.

[kimchi]

34 minutes ago, augur said:

After all Churchill himself said "History will be kind to me for I intend to write it."

As a history graduate who got a good degree largely by critical thinking and arguing against what I was expected to simply articulately regurgitate by my faculty, and instead followed my instinct and made a case for an alternative (often despite the 'accepted truths') this is 100% true.

My whole department's results were held up for hours because a couple of decent/honest professors were arguing against the ones who didn't like my independent thought. God forbid anyone studying history at university who challenged the official narrative should be allowed to have a different view, backed up by fact

Interestingly now, given what is going on with Trump, Russia etc - any politics or history teacher who says JFK was murdered by the Deep State working with the Mafia (which should be any of them with half a working braincell) is now officially a conspiracy theorist! In the 1990s when I studied it was open knowledge.

Anyone who says they know anything about history I give the 'Nelson Mandela test'. That is - sum up Nelson Mandela in three sentences. It tells you everything you need to know about that person's programming/brainwashing.

I don't agree with some of his stuff but John Hamer's 'The Falsification of History' is an interesting read - thought-provoking at least if you like books

What really makes me mad about the drunk, war-mongering nutter Churchill is that he provoked the Nazis into bombing us by launching the first attack (was it Dresden, I forget? It was a war crime whichever city it was). They had no intention in bombing us before that. There was almost a direct hit on my grandparents home in London and everyone was expected dead. Amazingly they survived (though it meant they had to spend their nights staying in Chislehurst caves afterwards).

[Martlet]

4 hours ago, kimchi said:

What really makes me mad about the drunk, war-mongering nutter Churchill is that he provoked the Nazis into bombing us by launching the first attack (was it Dresden, I forget? It was a war crime whichever city it was). They had no intention in bombing us before that. There was almost a direct hit on my grandparents home in London and everyone was expected dead. Amazingly they survived (though it meant they had to spend their nights staying in Chislehurst caves afterwards).

Not having that, Churchill certainly enjoyed a drink and war, but he was hardly being in a position to provoke anything in 1940.  As someone once said, they started it.  

[kimchi]

1 minute ago, Martlet said:

Not having that, Churchill certainly enjoyed a drink and war, but he was hardly being in a position to provoke anything in 1940.  As someone once said, they started it.  

So you are saying that the Nazis bombed us first without provocation?

They never wanted to bomb us, it's well documented. They retaliated because we (drunken nutter warmonger Churchill) bombed them first. It wasn't Dresden, I apologise for my mistake there in a previous post. That seems to be at the end of the war and was a horrendous war crime (worse than 9/11 by huge orders of magnitude), I guess it sticks in the mind similar to Hiroshima and Nagasaki (when the Japanese were already on their knees begging us to accept their surrender).

[Roy]

20 minutes ago, kimchi said:

I guess it sticks in the mind similar to Hiroshima and Nagasaki (when the Japanese were already on their knees begging us to accept their surrender).

Bayonets and babies.

They got what they deserved.

 

[MancunianStacker]

Lots of wars, lots of crimes on both sides no doubt. The interesting thing for me is these “rules of war”. As though it was a game and all sides had agreed on how people could die before they started their game.

I also saw an interview on sky news today and they were reviewing the papers and the younger Asian lad brought up Tony Blair, war crimes and The Hague. interestingly the interviewers didn’t have an opinion and just went quiet and changed the subject. Basically all he said anyone else who did what he did would end up on trial etc. Quality independent journalism from sky news as always (not).

[kimchi]

34 minutes ago, Roy said:

Bayonets and babies.

They got what they deserved.

Yes that's horrendous. Take a look though at Mountbatten and what he ordered his troops to do though, it was just as bad (I won't go into too much detail because it's horrific, but e.g. killing babies and then raping them etc) - under pain of death if they didn't comply with his sick wishes.

This is the guy who set up the British monarchy as we have them today and introduced Jimmy Savile (by all accounts we have so far the most sick and depraved individual - child rapist, necrophiliac and probable serial killer - in modern times) as mentor to Charles. He (Savile) was 'marriage' counselor to Charlie boy and Di, and Andrew (don't mention the underage teenage masseuses, I think the Daily Mail did once but they got away with it!) and Fergie. I could go on but I'd prefer not to.

He was blown up on his boat likely because of the child (boy) raping and murdering he was doing on his yacht across to Ireland. I can understand the Irish there even if I don't condone it. Remarkable really they didn't deal with Edward Heath (another proven paedophile and murderer of young boys from his yacht) in the same way I think.

[Roy]

yawn

[kimchi]

1 minute ago, Roy said:

yawn

I know someone whose father was under Mountbatten in WW2 and saw this first hand. He is elderly and his life has been broken ever since - he is a broken man, he never ever spoke of it until the last ten years years or so, and then only once, when he utterly broke down (and this is a 'stiff upper lip' old school British Empire guy).

Killing pregnant mothers and tearing the foetuses out to rape them both, under direct orders from Mounbatten (or get shot yourself, or worse).

Hope you enjoy your 'yawn' Roy.

 

[Roy]

sigh