SOS Help.... Can Anyone give information

[ronny]

I've also emailed BBP to find out the exact testing techniques used.

[CadmiumGreen]

@ronny, I did some google searching yesterday, obviously not as extensively as your ten years of ownership. Please forgive me, but possibly my recommendation would be an assay testing of the bar to certify it is truly 1 ounce of gold. As I am honorific of the remembrance of September 11th, I would find more value in the recovered coins from the WTC. I bought a 1 ounce Krugerrand certified as recovered from the WTC and find sentimental value in that remembrance. From what I can tell your bar/plaque isn’t COA certified as having been minted from WTC recovered gold bullion...which would be ideal and provide provenance. As such, unless you have true attachment, I humbly suggest verifying the bars/plaques gold content and either keep for sentimental value or sell for bullion. Sorry if I am out of line, but just my thoughts. Best of luck and welcome to The Silver Forum...from the many, can possibly be found an answer!

[ronny]

7 hours ago, CadmiumGreen said:

@ronny, I did some google searching yesterday, obviously not as extensively as your ten years of ownership. Please forgive me, but possibly my recommendation would be an assay testing of the bar to certify it is truly 1 ounce of gold. As I am honorific of the remembrance of September 11th, I would find more value in the recovered coins from the WTC. I bought a 1 ounce Krugerrand certified as recovered from the WTC and find sentimental value in that remembrance. From what I can tell your bar/plaque isn’t COA certified as having been minted from WTC recovered gold bullion...which would be ideal and provide provenance. As such, unless you have true attachment, I humbly suggest verifying the bars/plaques gold content and either keep for sentimental value or sell for bullion. Sorry if I am out of line, but just my thoughts. Best of luck and welcome to The Silver Forum...from the many, can possibly be found an answer!

Hi and Thank you. Yes it's frustrating but I will keep in my collection and continue to search for anymore of these. Thanks again for the welcome.

[Goldhooked]

Look what I just found on eBay...!!

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F273414468339

[Roy]

Half troy pound?

[Goldhooked]

9 minutes ago, Roy said:

Half troy pound?

Yeah, bit weird that.  6 Troy ounces apparently.  At least we know there are other versions of the bar.

[jonrms]

Email the seller asking for the maker ... I did last time and got no where see page 1. 

 

[ronny]

On 01/09/2018 at 22:14, Goldhooked said:

Look what I just found on eBay...!!

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F273414468339

First time I've seen similar. Is there a reverse side ?

[Goldhooked]

1 minute ago, ronny said:

First time I've seen similar. If there a reverse side ?

Click on the link which will take you to ebay.  There is a picture of the other side on the listing and its the same as your bar.

[jonrms]

Look at the link it's identical apart from the Silver verse gold. Note it says pound.    

[Goldhooked]

Just now, jonrms said:

Note it says pound.    

Apparently a half troy pound equates to 6 troy ounces.  It sounded an odd way to describe it to me but if you google it does seem fairly common in the US to use the term half troy pound and troy pound.

[ronny]

I've contacted the ebayer and waiting for a reply. The reverse is similar but not the same.

[jonrms]

I wasn't getting a reply, but I hope you do. 

[ronny]

53 minutes ago, jonrms said:

I wasn't getting a reply, but I hope you do. 

The seller is selling for a friend.The  friends mother had a small collection of silver and this is the only one of the collection.

[jonrms]

Hmm ironic. 

I am going to look at their feedback and other items again. 

[jonrms]

LOL, that seller is telling porkies.  He is a classic Del boy. LOL. 

 

[ronny]

52 minutes ago, jonrms said:

Hmm ironic. 

I am going to look at their feedback and other items again. 

ok thanks. he has 100% feedback

[Pritchard]

Just been catching up with this.

looks like a lot of groundwork has been done.

 

quick question - have bullion by post actually seen or held this? because, when you say 'they will buy this as bullion' i *would assume* that means they will accept delivery of the item, regardless of what it looks like in photos or its hallmarks (or lack of), and then only when they have it and carried out their own tests would they release funds to you. Until you have funds from them it could be made of pure gold or painted iron.

this being the case, i think using BBP as a kind of reassurance to it being real is probably null? but, i have never sent anything off myself. i just assume this is the process.

 

if this were my bar (again, dont know if you have done it), just get a good set of scales. The tollarence on gold produced by mints is marginal. someone will know, but a troy ounce is 31.1g. if its 31.3g then its alarm bells. (<<again, someone here will correct me on these numbers).

another alarm bell for me is the lack of search results. < its a US focused product, in english, depicting a major US landmark event...but no googe results on this item? possibly because the item sells in hanzi    this says to me small batch, not sold direct to US/English markets. Sounds like a gift shop present.


Just my opinion from what i am reading in this thread, i know gold is yellow, thats it. But having come across cheap remakes in import car parts in the past i have seen similar flags to spot and avoid.

[MickB]

If you file the edge of the bar you can see what is beneath the surface. If it is pure gold then a decent jeweller could fill it in afterwards. When you look at proof finishes there are tell tale signs if it's plated.Electro plating is too smooth. It's worth buying just one fake coin or bar so you can compare the difference. If you have a microscope then you can see it closer.

[dicker]

There is something here that is a bit fishy.  Can’t quite put my finger on it.....

[ronny]

Hi , it was sent away to BBP for testing which they did for free which is unusual ? here is there response 

9 hours ago, Pritchard said:

Just been catching up with this.

looks like a lot of groundwork has been done.

 

quick question - have bullion by post actually seen or held this? because, when you say 'they will buy this as bullion' i *would assume* that means they will accept delivery of the item, regardless of what it looks like in photos or its hallmarks (or lack of), and then only when they have it and carried out their own tests would they release funds to you. Until you have funds from them it could be made of pure gold or painted iron.

this being the case, i think using BBP as a kind of reassurance to it being real is probably null? but, i have never sent anything off myself. i just assume this is the process.

 

if this were my bar (again, dont know if you have done it), just get a good set of scales. The tollarence on gold produced by mints is marginal. someone will know, but a troy ounce is 31.1g. if its 31.3g then its alarm bells. (<<again, someone here will correct me on these numbers).

another alarm bell for me is the lack of search results. < its a US focused product, in english, depicting a major US landmark event...but no googe results on this item? possibly because the item sells in hanzi    this says to me small batch, not sold direct to US/English markets. Sounds like a gift shop present.


Just my opinion from what i am reading in this thread, i know gold is yellow, thats it. But having come across cheap remakes in import car parts in the past i have seen similar flags to spot and 

[Pritchard]

@ronny ah, now i understand where and why the XRF testing diiscussion came from.

 

Ok, i hadnt realised they had seen it first hand. then ignore abotut half of my previous post : )

[Goldhooked]

Take the money and run!  I don’t think it will ever be worth much more than bullion because it is a complete unknown so most people won’t trust it.

[ronny]

3 minutes ago, Pritchard said:

@ronny ah, now i understand where and why the XRF testing diiscussion came from.

 

Ok, i hadnt realised they had seen it first hand. then ignore abotut half of my previous post : )

No worries at all and thanks for your interest.

[ronny]

4 minutes ago, Goldhooked said:

Take the money and run!  I don’t think it will ever be worth much more than bullion because it is a complete unknown so most people won’t trust it.

It's not for sale. Just interested on people's opinions.