SilverMike

Look this thread was started by people talking about what they do or don’t like, you attacked the people that do grade. It was a naïve statement, but aggressively put. I personally don't care if people do or don’t grade, what services they do or don’t get. Im indifferent to it, I can see the reasons for not grading completely. But you accused me (the group I belong too) of only grading because we are greedy and want to artificially inflate a price, which is your opinion, but it simply isn’t true. Yes there is a market for PF70 anything in modern releases that sell above raw prices, but thats created by a supply and demand, people want them in PF70 as much as people want to sell them PF70. Ultimately they sit in a collection as much as an ungraded coin does.

You’re welcome, but hang on, while you are feeling sorry for yourself, this started by you accusing me of someone “…who want[s] to achieve a greater premium on their coins than they are really worth...(Greed)”, so not only greedy, but a fraudster because I grade.

😂 i didnt say that I was an expert on all coinage, but that doesnt matter does it. Keeping going, get the post count up up up!

Again, drivel and snippets you have gleaned in your short but busy time on this forum and compiled into utter nonsense.

Blimey, slightly hypocritical, if I put togther all of your posts over the last few months I could create an encyclopaedia of many volumes (not a very one good one though). No, you are wrong. The above is a statement, uninformed drivel and completely wrong, but a statement and an attack on people and a group you clearly have no awareness or comprehension of and you’ve jumped on something for the ride without any idea of where its going. There is a world outside of pure PM stacking, which you aren’t involved in, thats fine, each to their own, but you can’t expect to make sloppy statements like that about something you have no idea on and not expect one of us to waste our evenings trying to correct you. the equivalent comment in the reverse is something along the lines of “stacking bullion is just for luddites, tax evaders and those without the nerve to trade proper stock” [this isn’t my position for all the stackers, but it is as inaccurate as @CollectorNo1 statement] Alas, i am no Sir, but my thanks to you and your fellow Opions for the honour!

Utter rubbish. Grading isn’t just for people who want to achieve a greater premium or greed. I see the market of grading and flipping modern coins where a 70 is a winner, everything else is second best. For which I do participate. However there are plenty of collectors who get a new release and grade immediately and hold it longterm. It provides an easy way to store a coin and also allow handling without worrying about damage or printing it. Grading is also a preservation of rare and expensive numismatics, for which I also participate. These are coins that do deteriorate and wear over a longtime in cabinets and capsules from gentle movements, regardless of what the auctioneers would have us believe, it isn't a good thing. I have some very rare and valuable coins that could easily have many thousands of pounds wiped from it’s numismatic value simply by a tiny knock, peck or smallest of prints to the point they would likely never see the light of day if they weren’t slabbed. Being in a slab allows me to enjoy and handle them. yes, keep the bullion and low premium coins out of slabs, but if you have a rarity or valuable coin and you want to seriously increase it’s likelihood of not being damaged or deteriorating in your custody or that of those in the future, put it in a slab. this all said, I do take the points of the gentlemen earlier in this thread and it is nice to fondle the metal, but there is a line where the value makes this too risky, which is where the slabs come in imo. also @CollectorNo1 don’t cast aspersions on those grading more recent coins, they are protecting the collectables of the future as they were minted.

Back from grade 🙂 looks fabulous, it was conserved.

In all honesty, when it comes the shipping side, I just tick the box you have and then pay the bill NGC send and not thought too much more about it. Your coin is only insured by NGC while it is in their possession though. Once they hand it to the courier its under the insurance and custody of the courier. NGC again, will pay for the correct insurance banding as shown on the table ,i.e. your QB will be 1 coin between 250 and 5000 in England so would be 39.60 on its own (I think the rates fluctuate though and the prices are just a guide). but if the overall package is more it may push it into a higher banding. They will group coins together though and keep shipping costs down (while keeping them fully insured.... to the value you gave them). As I say, all the guys I have ever had anything to do with at NGC London have been spot on and very helpful, it can take a few days for them to get back though, but they have always got back to me.

👍, no not quite "variety plus" is asking them to put a reference or attribution on that they recognise, they recognise Spink and W&R and a few others that relate to British coinage, but they won't stick anything on. However, they won't charge you if they don't

No probs. Yes you can put Unicorn of Scotland in there if you wanted, although they would likely recognise that and put it on. On shipping yes, I use their insurance and let them sort the return out. Yes, you can take to the London office in person although you need to book a slot with them. Email is definitely easier I have found, getting through on the phone can be tough.

Sorry, I missed your post while I was writing mine, in answer to your questions: 1. Yes, Ship to USA 2. Ha, thats up to you. If you go too low NGC will just adjust your invoice higher if they think you have been a bit too conservative. But do remember that what you decide as the value, is the amount your coin is insured for should the worst happen, even if NGC subsequently see you as been on the wrong side of the assessment and charge you more. I know a lot would just go on the back of what they have paid, but its a personal choice. 3. No, the images on the census (the ones you find if you look up a coin, in most cases) NGC take anyway. Internet imaging is just another photo service, I've never used any of them but if you had a really nice coin and wanted a nice photo I know they do take a good one. 4. You can put the description in the "mintmark" box, if you start typing you'll see the font in the box is to big, click out and click back in again and you get two lines in small text. But they do know British coins, its really if you want them to put something specific on like a W&R or a Spink number (but then make sure you tick Variety plus). Skip the shipping form if you are picking up, you can talk to them when you call in just to double check if you would be happier. Personally yes, I just tick for NGC to sort shipping out.

However, as a short summary: Some boxes are pre-populated for you Tick box 3 and box 4, sign under box 5 (I have found I can only part complete online, I do what I can then print it off and fill the rest in by pen) Fill in the "UK shipping form" if you want your coins posted back to you or skip it if you are picking them up On box 6, tick "ship to NGC USA", the other two I think are used if there are special shows / events in London or Germany, I've never used them anyway Box 9, tick either pick up or post back to you Box 10, tick where the coin is from, USA, anywhere else (WORLD) or ancient. Box 11, decide if you want conservation, if you do pick whichever banding your coins fall into (based on coin value, thats your call) Box 12, again decide on your service base don coin value, but there is some options here, the sheet at the end will help you decide (if you give m an example of a coin I'll let you know what I would pick) Box 13, if its just straight forward grading you want (no pedigree, first releases, mint error, references on the slab etc) just skip it unless you are sending a thicker coin then you should tick the relevant holder, although I think NGC would just decide for you if you miss it Box 14, 15 & 16, probably irrelevant for now, but I think they are fairly self explanatory Box 17, just fill. table in as you think, if you mess it up NGC will contact you but give it your best shot. the mintmark column is a bit unclear, in here I just put the Spink reference if I want it on the slab, and also anything else "200th anniversary sovereign" for example or just leave it blank. Indicate wether its Proof (PF) or Bullion (MS). Probably sp the next few columns, fill in the metal type, weight and the value you want to give it. Box 18, tot up what you think you owe them. Then take the forms along to NGC and submit your coins. Happy to help though 🙂

Hi @Touvex, I think you are accessing the USA side of the system. You need to click the UK submission tab at the bottom (assuming you wish to submit via London which I think you do), or go directly to it here: https://www.ngccoin.uk Then go to Submit -> submission form -> fillable PDF. The form is all in GBP and easier to follow. Its not a slick online form like you have for the US side and seems a bit clunky but it works. If you do that, Im more than happy to help you complete it here in the open forum or in PM, or I understand you can call into the office itself and they will help you. They NGC guys in London are a good bunch.

Interesting perspective and I've seen guys mention the colour before and fair enough, each to their own. But I don't mind it at all, to me from a numismatic and historical point of view looking back in 50yrs+ it’ll just show the development of the coin and alloys over the ages. I look at my sovereigns and 1/2’s all the way back to 1817 and each one is slightly different to the next, some very different, yes toning is part of it and certainly what light the coins are viewed in, but the alloys clearly change over the time and in some cases its interesting to understand why. I also don’t think of a sovereign as being effected by decimalisation, but again each to their own.

Agree the mock up is nice but its traditional, I sincerely hope they are more inventive / abstract / different / controversial , making the most of the opportunity as they have done on the G&D special reverses.

Ah, sorry it's two coins

Just the one coin then you think @westminstrel? interesting on the 2oz, may have a grained or plain edge...

Great website, thank you. Very interesting and informative.

Apologies, they are a sovereign in that it is what The London Mint Office have called it, but they have no association with the Royal Mint... A quick search of the forum: https://www.thesilverforum.com/topic/10691-london-mint-office-sovereigns/ And some other related articles: https://24carat.co.uk/frame.php?url=londonmintoffice.html https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/experts/article-2799829/tony-hetherington-london-mint-coin-collection-worth-tenth-paid.html https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/2018327/the-london-mint-office-scam/p12

These aren't a proper 1/4 Sovereign @CollectorNo1 and they are a rip off at 35% over spot in my book, and not very desirable as you recognise. I wouldn't pay spot on it personally. Buy this proper proof 1/2 sovereign here at chards (was available at time of posting) for 30% over spot: https://www.chards.co.uk/1980-gold-half-sovereign-elizabeth-ii-proof/1040

And these… perseverance has paid off on the 1979, ive graded many many 1979 proofs to get to a 70 🤩

I had some spectacular grading results back of some beautiful coins today, so before they go off to the safe I thought id share this special set. @Chrisplym 🥳😉

Not sure I’ll get away with this 😄 but there is gold in the nib!? A very lovely thing, a present from the children combining all major reason for a present this year into one (inc xmas coming 😊)

Welcome Chris 😀

Hey @westminstrel, I take onboard what others have said and see their point, but looking at the video I do wonder if its a slightly circulated / poorly looked after proof or early strike circulation coin (proof-like). Seems expensive if it is just circulation, but if the dealer is reputable its probably worth a call to him to discuss because if proof the price probably isn't too far off imo... Best of luck!