KleinerVogel

Ewwww wouldn't touch fleabay with a bargepole.
 
Good on you guys for reporting the seller.

Just something about "building reputation" or trying to win a popularity contest for the sake of selling a few quids worth of silver now and again just rubs me the wrong way. That's fine, it's not for me. I want to sell on my terms and not basically just hope some random stranger on the internet is going to do the right thing just because he/she is in "the trusted ranks". But as I've stated a few times, I get why this situation exists and understand why you guys like it, and that's great for you. More power to you.
It's really not much of an issue for me anyway, I didn't join this forum to buy or sell, I originally just joined for conversation with like minded people on the subject of stacking and PM. And on that side of things I have found this place to be great, lots of knowledgeable and friendly people here.
 
 
 
 

Just something about "building reputation" or trying to win a popularity contest for the sake of selling a few quids worth of silver now and again just rubs me the wrong way. That's fine, it's not for me. I want to sell on my terms and not basically just hope some random stranger on the internet is going to do the right thing just because he/she is in "the trusted ranks". But as I've stated a few times, I get why this situation exists and understand why you guys like it, and that's great for you. More power to you.
It's really not much of an issue for me anyway, I didn't join this forum to buy or sell, I originally just joined for conversation with like minded people on the subject of stacking and PM. And on that side of things I have found this place to be great, lots of knowledgeable and friendly people here.
 
 
 
 

I don't doubt it works exceptionally well, very well for the trusted. Not so well for the new people who still have to worry that they won't be ripped off on the word of other forum users saying "don't worry he is fine" Just look at the recent example, the guy who scammed, people vouched for him using the trust point system here, he used that trust to make his final transaction here an act of theft. But as I said, i get it, we live in a dangerous world with scammers everywhere, of course no system is perfect. I'm not saying the system here is bad, I just have my concerns about it.
 
It might be my loss, but I'm not too concerned about my reputation, no one here will be buying from me because I won't be selling. Not because I don't like the people here, i actually like a lot of you, you seem like really nice people.

I wasn't actually really making an argument. I was just posting my feelings on the matter, my opinion. I think I mentioned that. I also stated I understand the reasons for the policy of trusted members receiving goods first then paying later.
 

Been here for awhile and already been involved in conversations. I mostly lurk here to read topics that interest me. But as I mentioned, I'm not that concerned about my rep because I probably won't be buying or selling on here. I like the people here, you all seem like nice people, but I think the trust system you have here is flawed for the reasons I already stated.
 
 

Although I understand the post first get paid later when selling to well known forum users, it still leaves bit of a bitter taste in my mouth because it feels like the community is being split into the privileged popular people who can have things sent to them with no risks and then the rest of us who just have to trust some guys on a forum who says don't worry that person is fine. I mean those trust worthy people had to start out like the rest of us didn't they.
 
But I get it, we live in a world where bad people exist who want to take things that don't belong to them from honest people. But it seems one of the unfortunate side effects of that reality and the counters you guys are making to it, is the haves and have nots on the forum, the privileged "trusted" and the rest being great unwashed untrusted who must take all the risks when selling. That's just my feelings on the matter, just my opinion. There is no right or wrong, or any kind of argument to be had.
When I joined the forums awhile ago, i was tinkering with the idea of perhaps selling on here one day, but after the recent scams from a "trusted" person, I decided to perhaps not bother, which is why I'm not too concerned about building my rep now and just speaking plainly.
I suppose I am more angry at the thieves and dishonest people who ruin good things, rather than being upset with the system here.

You are trusted because you are an active participant in the community and the way you conduct yourself. 
Feedback is a worry for me as I said before. I don't think I've seen anyone with negative feedback on here and if I was not happy with something I would just not leave any (eBay as well). 

I completely understand your points and they are very valid, I guess it's by no means a perfect system, but we make the best of it because it's the system we have. I don't think I've ever tried to be popular, I was born this way😆 but I do take great pleasure in being trusted, I'm from the school of my word is my bond ( becoming a rarity) outside this forum especially. As an aside, I put more faith in a members interaction than I do feedback, it tells me more about their character which puts me at ease during a deal. Feedback is only half the story in my book. 

Just something about "building reputation" or trying to win a popularity contest for the sake of selling a few quids worth of silver now and again just rubs me the wrong way. That's fine, it's not for me. I want to sell on my terms and not basically just hope some random stranger on the internet is going to do the right thing just because he/she is in "the trusted ranks". But as I've stated a few times, I get why this situation exists and understand why you guys like it, and that's great for you. More power to you.
It's really not much of an issue for me anyway, I didn't join this forum to buy or sell, I originally just joined for conversation with like minded people on the subject of stacking and PM. And on that side of things I have found this place to be great, lots of knowledgeable and friendly people here.
 
 
 
 

Just something about "building reputation" or trying to win a popularity contest for the sake of selling a few quids worth of silver now and again just rubs me the wrong way. That's fine, it's not for me. I want to sell on my terms and not basically just hope some random stranger on the internet is going to do the right thing just because he/she is in "the trusted ranks". But as I've stated a few times, I get why this situation exists and understand why you guys like it, and that's great for you. More power to you.
It's really not much of an issue for me anyway, I didn't join this forum to buy or sell, I originally just joined for conversation with like minded people on the subject of stacking and PM. And on that side of things I have found this place to be great, lots of knowledgeable and friendly people here.
 
 
 
 

I too sometimes wish they would go back to the older way of making the sovs, you can't beat that golden luster. Saying that however, the newer sovs  golden copper look is growing on me slightly and I find they have their own strangely attractive charm.

Hmm when did I say that? I literally didn't make that statement, so why should I try to defend it? I can think your system is flawed but not offer an alternative system to replace it. You can also ignore my feelings on the matter without becoming triggered.
 
Cheers.

Although I understand the post first get paid later when selling to well known forum users, it still leaves bit of a bitter taste in my mouth because it feels like the community is being split into the privileged popular people who can have things sent to them with no risks and then the rest of us who just have to trust some guys on a forum who says don't worry that person is fine. I mean those trust worthy people had to start out like the rest of us didn't they.
 
But I get it, we live in a world where bad people exist who want to take things that don't belong to them from honest people. But it seems one of the unfortunate side effects of that reality and the counters you guys are making to it, is the haves and have nots on the forum, the privileged "trusted" and the rest being great unwashed untrusted who must take all the risks when selling. That's just my feelings on the matter, just my opinion. There is no right or wrong, or any kind of argument to be had.
When I joined the forums awhile ago, i was tinkering with the idea of perhaps selling on here one day, but after the recent scams from a "trusted" person, I decided to perhaps not bother, which is why I'm not too concerned about building my rep now and just speaking plainly.
I suppose I am more angry at the thieves and dishonest people who ruin good things, rather than being upset with the system here.

Yeah I can see more people swapping out to half sovs, or 1/4 brits/1/10 brits as the price of gold rises. Unfortunately the dealers will probably see that trend as a prompt to raise the premiums too. So either way, the less wealthy will end up eventually being priced out of gold, even with the lesser weights. Then again, I have to ask myself, is gold really increasing in price or is it simply adjusting it's value to the weakening of fiat currency?

Been here for awhile and already been involved in conversations. I mostly lurk here to read topics that interest me. But as I mentioned, I'm not that concerned about my rep because I probably won't be buying or selling on here. I like the people here, you all seem like nice people, but I think the trust system you have here is flawed for the reasons I already stated.
 
 

Although I understand the post first get paid later when selling to well known forum users, it still leaves bit of a bitter taste in my mouth because it feels like the community is being split into the privileged popular people who can have things sent to them with no risks and then the rest of us who just have to trust some guys on a forum who says don't worry that person is fine. I mean those trust worthy people had to start out like the rest of us didn't they.
 
But I get it, we live in a world where bad people exist who want to take things that don't belong to them from honest people. But it seems one of the unfortunate side effects of that reality and the counters you guys are making to it, is the haves and have nots on the forum, the privileged "trusted" and the rest being great unwashed untrusted who must take all the risks when selling. That's just my feelings on the matter, just my opinion. There is no right or wrong, or any kind of argument to be had.
When I joined the forums awhile ago, i was tinkering with the idea of perhaps selling on here one day, but after the recent scams from a "trusted" person, I decided to perhaps not bother, which is why I'm not too concerned about building my rep now and just speaking plainly.
I suppose I am more angry at the thieves and dishonest people who ruin good things, rather than being upset with the system here.

Morning all.
I can see both sides of the debate here and I don't think there is a right or wrong in this debate.
The community feedback system we employ does appear to work very well there will always be issues of trust and as trust is a personal thing it is earned it cant be bought or sold.
in the past I have left positive feedback for a transaction that I had with someone who turned out to be a scammer, was I wrong to leave positive I don't believe so as the transaction I had with the person went to plan.
There has been attempts at a 50/50 system but without the trust this still doesn't appear to be a good system either.
Do I feel privileged that I can ask a new member if they would consider posting 1st, privileged isn't the word I would use but I do feel a sense of pride that I have earned the trust of so many good people that they are willing to stake their personal reputation on it.
@KleinerVogelI am really sorry you feel you can't interact in the sales side of the forum as I am sure you have seen it is a great place to pick up items or sell items on that you no longer need.
Not trying to trigger anyone just trying to bring harmony to an interesting long running debate.
 

Although I understand the post first get paid later when selling to well known forum users, it still leaves bit of a bitter taste in my mouth because it feels like the community is being split into the privileged popular people who can have things sent to them with no risks and then the rest of us who just have to trust some guys on a forum who says don't worry that person is fine. I mean those trust worthy people had to start out like the rest of us didn't they.
 
But I get it, we live in a world where bad people exist who want to take things that don't belong to them from honest people. But it seems one of the unfortunate side effects of that reality and the counters you guys are making to it, is the haves and have nots on the forum, the privileged "trusted" and the rest being great unwashed untrusted who must take all the risks when selling. That's just my feelings on the matter, just my opinion. There is no right or wrong, or any kind of argument to be had.
When I joined the forums awhile ago, i was tinkering with the idea of perhaps selling on here one day, but after the recent scams from a "trusted" person, I decided to perhaps not bother, which is why I'm not too concerned about building my rep now and just speaking plainly.
I suppose I am more angry at the thieves and dishonest people who ruin good things, rather than being upset with the system here.

I don't doubt it works exceptionally well, very well for the trusted. Not so well for the new people who still have to worry that they won't be ripped off on the word of other forum users saying "don't worry he is fine" Just look at the recent example, the guy who scammed, people vouched for him using the trust point system here, he used that trust to make his final transaction here an act of theft. But as I said, i get it, we live in a dangerous world with scammers everywhere, of course no system is perfect. I'm not saying the system here is bad, I just have my concerns about it.
 
It might be my loss, but I'm not too concerned about my reputation, no one here will be buying from me because I won't be selling. Not because I don't like the people here, i actually like a lot of you, you seem like really nice people.

I don't doubt it works exceptionally well, very well for the trusted. Not so well for the new people who still have to worry that they won't be ripped off on the word of other forum users saying "don't worry he is fine" Just look at the recent example, the guy who scammed, people vouched for him using the trust point system here, he used that trust to make his final transaction here an act of theft. But as I said, i get it, we live in a dangerous world with scammers everywhere, of course no system is perfect. I'm not saying the system here is bad, I just have my concerns about it.
 
It might be my loss, but I'm not too concerned about my reputation, no one here will be buying from me because I won't be selling. Not because I don't like the people here, i actually like a lot of you, you seem like really nice people.

Hmm when did I say that? I literally didn't make that statement, so why should I try to defend it? I can think your system is flawed but not offer an alternative system to replace it. You can also ignore my feelings on the matter without becoming triggered.
 
Cheers.

I wasn't actually really making an argument. I was just posting my feelings on the matter, my opinion. I think I mentioned that. I also stated I understand the reasons for the policy of trusted members receiving goods first then paying later.
 

Been here for awhile and already been involved in conversations. I mostly lurk here to read topics that interest me. But as I mentioned, I'm not that concerned about my rep because I probably won't be buying or selling on here. I like the people here, you all seem like nice people, but I think the trust system you have here is flawed for the reasons I already stated.
 
 

I wasn't actually really making an argument. I was just posting my feelings on the matter, my opinion. I think I mentioned that. I also stated I understand the reasons for the policy of trusted members receiving goods first then paying later.