Help with markings on cup (maybe kiddush?)

[benj]

Hello, 

Newbie here -- can someone help me identify this? Thanks in advance!!!

Ben

[Petra]

That is an Austrian hallmark 19th century

[Zhorro]

I was thinking it was Russian - they used 84/96 as a measure of fineness.  And possibly St Petersburg?  Who's next to have a guess?

[Petra]

The two headed bird mark is from a town that at the time was in Hungary, was part of then Austro  -Hungarian empire. However it is missing other marks you would expect to see from that time.

[LawrenceChard]

38 minutes ago, benj said:

Hello, 

Newbie here -- can someone help me identify this? Thanks in advance!!!

Ben

 

I am sure TSF members will try to help you, but...

Have actually looked at the marks yourself, and thought what they say or mean?

What do you see?

What do you think they mean?

You may think my response is unhelpful, but it will help you far more than simply telling you the answer, as it will help you to think for yourself.

It would also let others know what you already know, so they don't have to waste time telling you something you already know, and can spend more time helping you progress beyond that.

😎

[stefffana]

Hi, @benj.

The town hallmark with double headed crowned eagle it is for sure for Kamenetz-Podolsk, before 1880, when the town mark has changed.

Kamenetz-Podolsk is actually in Ukraine, but was before in the Kingdom of Poland until 1648 (this is why crowned double eagle mark),  when after a long civil war, the Poland-Lithuanian Union has dissolved and part of Poland and Ukraine was integrated in Russian Empire.

The number 84 is showing the purity of silver. 84 zolotniki = 84/96 = 875/1000 silver. 

The three letters stamped are the maker mark, difficult to know the name now. After 1700 was mandatory stamped the year under the maker mark. On your goblet is missing, meaning it was made before 1700.

From all these informations, we can deduct that your goblet was made in Kamenetz-Podolsk between 1648 and 1700 using silver .875.

Your town mark of Kamenetz-Podolsk can be seen on this page: https://www.925-1000.com/Frussia_city_02.htlm.

About the balance shown on first stamp, I can only speculate, I can not find any informations.

Very nice goblet!🤗

Stefan.

 

Edited: the link is not opening the exactly page, I don't know why, so I have added two pictures of my screen with more details.

Edited July 25, 2022 by stefffana

[Arganto]

Needs more elbow grease

[Petra]

Changed my mind🫢

upon closer look, it’s definitely Russian, as previously mentioned probably Poland