Milkspotting and tarnishing on Proof coins

[MCJ]

Just found this example of a coin, 2 pictures, one scanned - looks cool to me, and the same coin, but this time as a picture - just looks dirty, what a difference

 

Yes - this is the same coin

[watchesandwhisky]

Yep scanned coins look massively different on the toning side..can get rainbow toning in the hand though this is a 1911 shilling:)

 

[MCJ]

Ah, so it can be seen in the hand some times.

[watchesandwhisky]

Yep, but if looking at coin on ebay and wanting due to how the toning looks its worth asking if its a scan or photo.

[MCJ]

For sure, from the pictures I've seen of coins that look wonderful as scans. I'd be extremely disappointed.

[Murph]

I'd have thought the sulphur in egg yolk would just have blackened silver.

Oxidising them more quickly in the oven might artificially produce coloured toning?

[HelpingHands]

I'd have thought the sulphur in egg yolk would just have blackened silver.

Oxidising them more quickly in the oven might artificially produce coloured toning?

 

I can't remember how I saw someone making patterns.  They may have used a stencil or something.

[HighlandTiger]

I hate toning, if it wasn't for the sheep mentality of coin collectors who have been indoctrinated, (probably from birth) that cleaning coins is bad, and therefore the coins are not worth as much if they did, I'd be cleaning every coin I find.

 

The daft thing is, this "no cleaning" coins rule only seems to exist on coins minted over over the last few hundred years. Ancient coins are regularly cleaned by museums and the like, without a murmur from the collecting mafia, nor with a difference in market value.

[sovereignsteve]

I hate toning, if it wasn't for the sheep mentality of coin collectors who have been indoctrinated, (probably from birth) that cleaning coins is bad, and therefore the coins are not worth as much if they did, I'd be cleaning every coin I find.

 

The daft thing is, this "no cleaning" coins rule only seems to exist on coins minted over over the last few hundred years. Ancient coins are regularly cleaned by museums and the like, without a murmur from the collecting mafia, nor with a difference in market value.

If you disagree with these "sheep", hate toning and believe cleaning is good, then just do it!

Why should you care what they think? They're your coins.

Personally, I like toning in older silver coins and like seeing the original lustre that only exists in coins that are truly raw in terms of wear and lack of "cleaning". There's no sadder sight than a nice old sovereign in good condition that's been "cleaned" by way of a little polishing.

The reason collectors don't like cleaning is that it adversely affects the look of a coin not because of any indoctrination, and consequently the value is affected simple due to demand.

Ancient coins are a different issue and probably need cleaning to some degree simply to be able to see any detail through the muck and corrosion.

They were also not made in the same way as modern milled coins and probably don't react in the same way. I've no real knowledge of such coins so just guessing really.

[HawkHybrid]

I hate toning, if it wasn't for the sheep mentality of coin collectors who have been indoctrinated, (probably from birth) that cleaning coins is bad, and therefore the coins are not worth as much if they did, I'd be cleaning every coin I find.

 

The daft thing is, this "no cleaning" coins rule only seems to exist on coins minted over over the last few hundred years. Ancient coins are regularly cleaned by museums and the like, without a murmur from the collecting mafia, nor with a difference in market value.

 

what's better to own?

1, a decent example of a genuine 1780 maria theresa thaler

2, a 2015 minted correct metal restrike dated 1780

 

I like good toning, it's not as striking and harsh as freshly

minted coins, and have a calmness to it.

 

correctly cleaning ancients takes months and maybe years.

if someone correctly cleaned modern coins of only their dirt

and left everything else intact, I'm sure some collectors wouldn't

mind. it's the cleaning that sucks the life out of the coin that

collectors object to.

 

coin collecting is an art and not a science, if you whittle it down

to a science then you're merely dealing with bullion and 

shouldn't expect the price premium associated with it's rarity.

 

HH

[watchesandwhisky]

It can happen, note the three tiny spots by the P mint mark..very small but they are there.