1864 Sovereign - Myth or True

[dicker]

Hello Ladies and Gents,

I suspect a few hard core Sov collectors here either own or know about rarities / oddities that they might not have shared but I have a question.

I have previously heard of, but not seen there being a 1864 Sovereign with the following characteristics.  The source was someone that I purchased a very hard to find Melbourne Half sovereign, and themselves only collected very high grade Sovereigns.

- No die number

- On truncation, a numeral “1” in relief next to “W W”  which is incuse.

Has anyone else ever heard of this - or even seen this? 

Best

Dicker

[Booky586]

No, unfortunately I've never even heard of this one but I've not been collecting long.

Just thinking aloud, possible trial piece or something similar to the 827 variety?

Do you have any photos?

[dicker]

22 minutes ago, Booky586 said:

No, unfortunately I've never even heard of this one but I've not been collecting long.

Just thinking aloud, possible trial piece or something similar to the 827 variety?

Do you have any photos?

I don’t have one. If it does exist, it does exist it will be very very rare.

Its not in any reference books.

Real or myth..I don’t know.

Edited October 26, 2023 by dicker

[Booky586]

Real or myth...... I'll be looking out for it 😀

Edited October 26, 2023 by Booky586

[Allgoldcoins]

3 hours ago, dicker said:

Hello Ladies and Gents,

I suspect a few hard core Sov collectors here either own or know about rarities / oddities that they might not have shared but I have a question.

I have previously heard of, but not seen there being a 1864 Sovereign with the following characteristics.  The source was someone that I purchased a very hard to find Melbourne Half sovereign, and themselves only collected very high grade Sovereigns.

- No die number

- On truncation, a numeral “1” in relief next to “W W”  which is incuse.

Has anyone else ever heard of this - or even seen this? 

Best

Dicker

In a word No, I am not aware of any 1864 sovereign which appears without a die number. That does not mean there isn't one, only that my 20yrs of sovereign research has yet to see one.

 

[ZRPMs]

Around that time weren't they trilling some slightly different pattern designs. Could this possible be one of them. I'm most likely wrong but it might account for it's super rarity if it exists. 

[dicker]

Interestingly, someone PM’d me this…

http://www.coins-of-the-uk.co.uk/dieno.html
 

Which also indicates this might exist….