1905 Shilling

[DTL1982]

Any shilling experts out there know if this coin is commonly faked?  It’s the rarest of the 20th century silver shillings so I’m leary about a price of $60 usd when it appears to be in decent condition. The pictures look okay to me but I’m a novice compared to many on this forum so I’d appreciate any options. 
 

 

[Happypanda88]

Look on eBay and you will found that there is a replica of this coin for sale. Though this seller does state it is a "Retro" "Souvenir" meaning a copy. Others sellers may not be so forth coming and try to pass it on as genuine.

But your coins seems genuine to me.  

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Retro-Edward-VII-1905-Shilling-Souvenir-Gap-Filler-Same-size-as-/354702908250?hash=item5295f0db5a:g:gJUAAOSwzAFkMEqo&amdata=enc:AQAIAAAA4PNc3eQt8njz0nGJpL2heDrXm7G+jwtPr0TK0W1+1ZslOcghNURq5YR2vThAdZSioE/A/peDxI1ls65ipdT82AXVfG6xAQ0K66hV+g0kvPkPYNLAMeumWFRh/Dp6MKcfGGJl8hjdQC3Kp0YGi1Uq5LgFj2K36UP+NCixN3S8Owgw98NhCNjkRVJaxbdbkudXuaeavXCfqhw4j1JG647IhfFPFt0lgmZ58d2vCeIgJfAQF9BDClQk3ILhcXdmGCOFhv7QTU9AG/vvfHjnHMode39jJuL7PI/fnc3f0o1m42rg|tkp:Bk9SR7SX0MW2Yg&pageci=da0e3ea2-cb97-4fe0-88cc-71ad504232af&redirect=mobile

 

[SidS]

Never easy to tell purely from pictures, I've looked at this three times now and I'd like to think it's genuine... BUT I have a sense of unease about it. For me, with a coin that is clearly worn, the date seems very bold. Usually with these, the last two digits would be showing wear in this grade. It's normally a, "is it an 03 or an 05 dilemma" - this coin doesn't do that, the 05 is so strong. So what you have here is either a very well struck coin that is worn or a possible fake.

I'm erring more towards the genuine, but I wouldn't like to swear on it in court.

[pricha]

I'm selling a 1905 at this moment on ebay in similar condition.  The coin shown looks fine but probably worth not much more than £30. I've had a few over the years. I'd love a about uncirculated but you'd be talking £1000s.  If someone wanted to put time , cost and energy in creating a good fake , they wouldn't be bothered with a 30 quid worn coin. 

Edited August 2, 2023 by pricha

[DTL1982]

7 hours ago, Happypanda88 said:

Look on eBay and you will found that there is a replica of this coin for sale. Though this seller does state it is a "Retro" "Souvenir" meaning a copy. Others sellers may not be so forth coming and try to pass it on as genuine.

But your coins seems genuine to me.  

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Retro-Edward-VII-1905-Shilling-Souvenir-Gap-Filler-Same-size-as-/354702908250?hash=item5295f0db5a:g:gJUAAOSwzAFkMEqo&amdata=enc:AQAIAAAA4PNc3eQt8njz0nGJpL2heDrXm7G+jwtPr0TK0W1+1ZslOcghNURq5YR2vThAdZSioE/A/peDxI1ls65ipdT82AXVfG6xAQ0K66hV+g0kvPkPYNLAMeumWFRh/Dp6MKcfGGJl8hjdQC3Kp0YGi1Uq5LgFj2K36UP+NCixN3S8Owgw98NhCNjkRVJaxbdbkudXuaeavXCfqhw4j1JG647IhfFPFt0lgmZ58d2vCeIgJfAQF9BDClQk3ILhcXdmGCOFhv7QTU9AG/vvfHjnHMode39jJuL7PI/fnc3f0o1m42rg|tkp:Bk9SR7SX0MW2Yg&pageci=da0e3ea2-cb97-4fe0-88cc-71ad504232af&redirect=mobile

 

Yikes!  The price being that low would make me suspicious but I’m glad this seller was honest. 

6 hours ago, SidS said:

Never easy to tell purely from pictures, I've looked at this three times now and I'd like to think it's genuine... BUT I have a sense of unease about it. For me, with a coin that is clearly worn, the date seems very bold. Usually with these, the last two digits would be showing wear in this grade. It's normally a, "is it an 03 or an 05 dilemma" - this coin doesn't do that, the 05 is so strong. So what you have here is either a very well struck coin that is worn or a possible fake.

I'm erring more towards the genuine, but I wouldn't like to swear on it in court.

Thanks for taking a look. I appreciate it. I’m still on the fence about pulling the trigger. 

5 hours ago, pricha said:

I'm selling a 1905 at this moment on ebay in similar condition.  The coin shown looks fine but probably worth not much more than £30. I've had a few over the years. I'd love an about uncirculated but you'd be talking £1000s.  If someone wanted to put time , cost and energy in creating a good fake , they wouldn't be bothered with a 30 quid worn coin. 

I tend to agree on the point of why would someone bother faking a coin in a lower grade but who knows why people do some of the things they do haha. This one is also on eBay and is on the lower end price-wise of current listings. NGC price guide has this coin at $50 for good and $100 for VG and this is listed at the midpoint between those.

[SidS]

There are fake 'worn looking coins' on eBay though! Is a relatively recent development. It's a scary development too.

[pricha]

2 hours ago, SidS said:

There are fake 'worn looking coins' on eBay though! Is a relatively recent development. It's a scary development too.

That is scary , but I'm sure the coin shown is genuine. No problems there.   Early Victoria crowns always make me weary.  Genuine coins In good condition look sort of fake. It's a minefield unless you can see them in the flesh,  buy slabbed or from a reputable dealer. 

[Stuntman]

Nothing about it screams fake to me, so I would presume it was genuine.

I have one in similar condition - photos for comparison below, if it helps:

 

[DTL1982]

4 minutes ago, Stuntman said:

Nothing about it screams fake to me, so I would presume it was genuine.

I have one in similar condition - photos for comparison below, if it helps:

 

Thanks!  Does the top of the five curl up on yours or is it the lighting?  The example I posted seems to have a more level top to the five. Or I could just be imagining things lol. 

[Bruce06]

22 hours ago, DTL1982 said:

Any shilling experts out there know if this coin is commonly faked?  It’s the rarest of the 20th century silver shillings so I’m leary about a price of $60 usd when it appears to be in decent condition. The pictures look okay to me but I’m a novice compared to many on this forum so I’d appreciate any options. 
 

 

I also think there is problem free, if all measurements and weights are qualified.  I am still looking for a decent 1905 shilling to add to my collection.

[Sovhead]

Looks real to me, 99% positive.

[Sovhead]

On 02/08/2023 at 04:04, DTL1982 said:

Any shilling experts out there know if this coin is commonly faked?  It’s the rarest of the 20th century silver shillings so I’m leary about a price of $60 usd when it appears to be in decent condition. The pictures look okay to me but I’m a novice compared to many on this forum so I’d appreciate any options. 
 

 

Numerous fakes and they’re easy to spot the Edward head looks very dodgy as per this eBay crank…

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/284693385535?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=6UE7nOkwTTe&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=yvjAM_HqRB-&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY