A,s barred or unbarred?

[Xander]

I bought this Gold Sovereign from R Ingram Coins, they said the A,s were unbarred?  

 

[5huggy]

hmmm nice  - year ????

 

[Xander]

14 minutes ago, 5huggy said:

hmmm nice  - year ????

 

It's not the year, I paid a high premium for this supposedly unbarred A,s coin and now they refuse a refund.

[5huggy]

Ahhhhhhhhh   get you!😉

[Xander]

Just now, 5huggy said:

Ahhhhhhhhh   get you!😉

The swines are ignoring my emails. I'm in two minds whether or not just to return it Special delivery.

[Coolsmp]

Caveat Emptor

[Xander]

4 minutes ago, Coolsmp said:

Caveat Emptor

That would apply if sold as seen, this was misleading advertising.

[sovereignsteve]

5 hours ago, Xander said:

they said the A,s were unbarred?  

naughty. definite signs of bars, look likes a worn/broken punch was used.

[CadmiumGreen]

@Xander, sorry to hear.😞 

[Xander]

17 hours ago, sovereignsteve said:

naughty. definite signs of bars, look likes a worn/broken punch was used.

Yes, now ignoring my emails and phone calls. legal action may be required. You don't expect this from a reputable company like Ingram's. 

[JackKlugman]

On 04/09/2019 at 17:18, Xander said:

Yes, now ignoring my emails and phone calls. legal action may be required. You don't expect this from a reputable company like Ingram's. 

That's what small claims court is designed for. Keep a record of everything they and you have said and file a claim against them. Based on the evidence you have presented you should win

[TheGoldSovereign]

@Xander What date though? I must say that most "Unbarred As" are worn or damaged punches, often you can see half of the bar for example. Truly unbarred As are quite rare because the error is generally due to such punches, they were originally thought to be inverted Vs but they are not.

Also please do share the seller!

 

note: just read your post, yes Rendel is slippery and expensive. They take poor quality photos to hide condition and errors. I asked for a few images and received ones whereby you couldn't tell one way or the other

note2: I see from the photo it's in a slab, so if it is labelled as Unbarred I don't actually see how it's their fault ?

[Xander]

4 hours ago, sg86 said:

@Xander What date though? I must say that most "Unbarred As" are worn or damaged punches, often you can see half of the bar for example. Truly unbarred As are quite rare because the error is generally due to such punches, they were originally thought to be inverted Vs but they are not.

Also please do share the seller!

 

note: just read your post, yes Rendel is slippery and expensive. They take poor quality photos to hide condition and errors. I asked for a few images and received ones whereby you couldn't tell one way or the other

note2: I see from the photo it's in a slab, so if it is labelled as Unbarred I don't actually see how it's their fault ?

Hi. The coin was sold as unbarred A,s. The problem started when NGC quite rightly refused to grade it as unbarred, Rendel was adamant they were wrong, he said that NGC didn't know how to grade "English" coins, only American ones, so, after a lot of emails about the coin it was clear NGC was correct, we eventually came to an arrangement.

 

 The contradiction about NGC  though, he sells plenty of their graded coins at large premiums.

I meant to say the date was 1842 

[TheGoldSovereign]

10 minutes ago, Xander said:

Hi. The coin was sold as unbarred A,s. The problem started when NGC quite rightly refused to grade it as unbarred, Rendel was adamant they were wrong, he said that NGC didn't know how to grade "English" coins, only American ones, so, after a lot of emails about the coin it was clear NGC was correct, we eventually came to an arrangement.

 

 The contradiction about NGC  though, he sells plenty of their graded coins at large premiums.

I meant to say the date was 1842 

I've got a graded Unbarred 1842, let me check it.

[TheGoldSovereign]

PCGS, pictures can't quite grab the detail, not sure why actually I used to be able to focus a lot closer..... Maybe being a little lazy with lighting as wanted to take quick picture before shut PC off, plus it's slabbed.

Under scope there is a clear break though you can still see the sides, maybe the same punch but a little more worn?

[Xander]

I see what you mean.

Is this graded unbarred A,s?