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Good spots! You often see a similar die clash (right hand side one) on the reverse of Victoria Young Head shillings.

I'm a collector more than I am a stacker. Like you, I really wanted this coin and I have saved up for some months in order to afford it. Personally I would keep it, live with it, and be happy with it. On very close reinspection, the better of my two coins may have one or more very tiny flaws on the reverse. These may actually be inscribed on the die, rather than a flaw with the coin. Who knows. I suspect that the majority of newly-minted BU and Proof coins (never mind the bullion) from the RM will have 'something wrong' with them somewhere if you look closely enough. My advice would be to enjoy the coin as a whole, as a beautiful object. It's big and lovely.

Having looked at the pictures of @Goldfever20's coin again after receiving mine - I would be tempted to keep the coin if I was him or her, and wanted to hold it for the long term. You may get a better one as a replacement but I would say the odds would be against you (assuming that you are happy with the obverse on your coin). Good luck with your decision. I know it's a lot of money and I can see why you might want a replacement or refund.

Also - the die number has not been 'centred' and the 0 is not straight. I suspect that it may have originally started life as a die with a single digit number, with the 1 and 0 then added and the 2 overpunching the original die number.

On Victoria's nose, and assuming that it definitely isn't ghosting of any of the wreath leaves from the reverse - perhaps it's just a worn die, or maybe partially weak strike? See also William IV half crowns on both obverse and reverse (OK, about 35 years earlier...)

Tricky, isn't it. Some people might find it OK to live with those small flaws, I don't feel that they detract from the overall coin too much. You're well within your rights to return it though anyway.

First of all, I think it's a really nice coin. I also spotted several letter in VICTORIA that appear to be double-struck, also noticed her nose being a bit funny, and the obvious die crack. I didn't notice anything untoward about her ear. On the reverse die number, I suspect that's just an overpunched number (reusing die 110 maybe?) or just overpunching the 2. What else has anyone noticed?

Cheers. Where's the QR code - is it on the parcel that they sent me today? Or do they need to send it to my phone/email when I talk to them about it?

Well, mine arrived today and it's very nice. Well, mine arrived today and it's very nice. (See the other thread for context) 😉

Well just when you thought that the RM couldn't get anything else wrong... Today my five sovereign piece arrived. The only problem was that actually two of them arrived. I then checked my credit card transactions online and yes indeed - two payments had been taken, and on two different dates. Thankfully it hasn't breached my credit card limit, but I didn't order two coins and cannot pay this credit card bill at the end of this month without having to move money from elsewhere. I will email the woman whom I've been dealing with recently. She, and the other two people I spoke with recently on the phone have been genuinely nice and helpful. But someone, somewhere at the Royal Mint has taken the money twice and sent me two coins. On the positive side, the coins are very nice. One appears to have no noticeable flaws under a 10x loupe, the other has a couple of tiny flaws but at least one of them may actually be something in the capsule, rather than on the coin. It's still very good. But I'm really not very happy. I don't even have access to a printer at the moment so can't even print out a returns slip myself. 😠😠

I think the enquirer has answered his/her own question and has his/her own remedy if he/she wishes to return it to the seller. After all, he/she has been given 'a document for authenticity'...

Cheers for that, @kimchi. All the more reason to be very sceptical regarding the grading number given to any coin, in my opinion. I don't have any graded coin - they just aren't for me, for that and many other reasons. I can see the appeal to others though, and I do enjoy seeing pictures of graded coins in their holders that TSF members post up on the site.

@apachebleu - it shouldn't be any different for vintage coins. 70 means 70 regardless of the age of the coin. Unlike UK exams, there should be no 'grade inflation' when it comes to coins according to their date of mintage!

I admire your optimism.

Today I bought another £2000-worth of units in the Silver ETF that I hold in my SIPP. This represented about 10% of the value of my existing holding in that fund before adding this new money. While the price of silver may continue to go down in the short term, I am happy with the decision that I made today based on the information I have today, and I think it will have been a good decision when I look back in five years' time.

What's your overall opinion of the quintuple sovereign when seeing the coin in hand, @LawrenceChard? Would you be pleased to own one as a collector?

En Francais, c'est l'accent circonflexe... 😉

peut-etre (apologies for lack of circonflexe).

I'd vote 'forgerie' without any further information. The 1887 double and quintuple sovereigns are the sort of coins that people really only should buy from a reputable numismatic dealer and with a guarantee from that same dealer that the coin is genuine. I do hope that the coin is genuine. The genuine item is a lovely coin..

Probably correct, sadly. It's such a shame. I have yet to receive my 2022 BU quintuple (it's due to arrive tomorrow) and I sincerely hope that it is problem-free. But having read the recent posts on the other thread, I do worry.

Well I suppose that if the dates on Tudor Beast bullion coins follow the same pattern as that of the Queen's Beast bullion coins, the next coin in the series (probably due later this month) will be dated 2023. But otherwise - yes, bah humbug!

Cheers - good to know. I wonder why the RM appears to have used two collars on these 2022 coins though?

The idea of a stocklist collection is a really good one, Lawrence. I was not aware of it before reading your recent posts in this thread just now, and I suspect that I will have a good peruse of it later. I am potentially after some specific older PM coins, and Chards may already have them.

Again, sorry to be the bearer of less-than-ideal news, but personally I don't think your coin is worth very much. Perhaps £10 at most if you were selling to a coin dealer. Melt value if you were selling to a bullion dealer. Possibly a little more if you were selling privately to a collector. The coin is not rare, and in my opinion using strict UK grading it is probably in Good Fine (GF) condition. Near Very Fine (NVF) if I was being very charitable. I also don't think it's a particularly attractive design, either (but others may). However if you like it, that is really all that matters. I have many coins containing silver that I like but which aren't worth much if anything more than melt value if I sold to a dealer, and some of which I overpaid for.

Sound like you're definitely making the correct decision, based on what you've written above. Well done. You've been given very good advice too.